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I have a distributor part number 3690432 I bought about 1996. It gave me pinging at 70mph climbing a hill. I thought I took it out and put in the original (74 Jensen Interceptor). Now I look at the tag on the one in the car and it says 3690432 and the distributor in the old box has no tag. I don't find the curve specs for it in my old Motor Manual like a 3755518 (which I have a couple of) or in the Direct Connection book. Is the only way to find the spec to dissasemble and look at the springs?

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no info on specs but you might turn the can CCW 2 turns with a 3/32 allen wrench (I'm assuming this is part throttle pinging climbing a hill, disregared if WOT), otherwise I would note your initial and your total and at what RPM it maxes out at & likely will need to first loosen/turn the housing to be able to see what springs are in there (OE combo is light/heavy with elongated loop on one end). Older (non Mallory) I am assuming.


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'432 should have a green/white primary spring, pinkish-blue heavy secondary spring, 13 degree plate and 9 degree vacuum advance. total centrifugal advance comes in around 2800rpm.

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Originally Posted By lewtot184
'432 should have a green/white primary spring, pinkish-blue heavy secondary spring, 13 degree plate and 9 degree vacuum advance. total centrifugal advance comes in around 2800rpm.


13 degree plate which means it has 26 degrees of mechanical advance .

Hang what is your initial timing set at ?


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My initial timing is 5 degrees. It is too hard to start at 8 or 10. This is 8.3 CR and not a Magnum cam.

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Thanks for the specs. I can see the one in the box has a blue heavy spring.

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Yes, I will turn the screw in the can. Years ago when I got it 432, I didn't know about the screw in the can.

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Originally Posted By Hangtowner
Yes, I will turn the screw in the can. Years ago when I got it 432, I didn't know about the screw in the can.


All that will do is delay or quicken vac advance , it does nothing to limit it.


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naw, you got to get in there and put a spot weld down and file to get the mec. advance where you want. last one I did was 5 degrees total, all in, big ass cam.


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the FBO $22 plate is the best deal going for altering mech adv & has slots for 10-12-14-16-18 degrees


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no 5 degrees total?


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Originally Posted By Hangtowner
My initial timing is 5 degrees. It is too hard to start at 8 or 10. This is 8.3 CR and not a Magnum cam.
we're missing something. with those numbers no way should it be cranky (just from the DCR) being generated


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I have the FBO plate in my tool box. When I had this distributor in the original engine (Magnum cam) I could set the initial to 10 degrees, but not with this engine. So I figure the main difference is the cam, but then this engine is from a junk yard for $200. Maybe it is no longer 8.3 (1977 is stamped on the block)?

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I would suggest (1) checking true TDC (2) see what your cranking compression is


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Originally Posted By Hangtowner
My initial timing is 5 degrees. It is too hard to start at 8 or 10. This is 8.3 CR and not a Magnum cam.


with 8.3 compression this thing should not be hard to start at 10* advance, nor should it be pinging.

i would check that the timing mark on the balancer is correct.

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Good idea. I have just done a sort of quick check using a whistle on a compression tester and bumping the starter. Only #1 plug was removed. With the whistle method, TDC is 1 3/4 inches below the timing cover grid which has its lowest gradation as 20. I repeated it 3 times. The timing cover is marked 0, 10, 20. The engine block says 8T440 E and below it is 8 25. Do I need to take all the plugs out (real pain with these headers in a Interceptor) and repeat the TDC check or is this enough to tell me there is a real marking or parts missmatch problem?
Thanks guys.

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I don't think I would trust the whistle method for finding TDC.

I would use a stop to find it.


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Can I buy a stop or do I have to make something. I wouldn't want to dent the piston.

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Just put a stiff copper wire in there.
It will top out and start moving down again once top dead center is achieved.
Wont hurt a thing.


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Or stick your pinky in the spark plug hole. It will be at TDC twice (firing & top of exhaust stroke) per crank rotation.

To find the exact TDC, you really need a "stop" which won't damage your piston if you're turning the engine by hand.


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