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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214840
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If you wanted to change your system some you could
do like the old pro stockers, they used a leaf and
a bar on top of the axle that acted like a four-link.
I'm sure someone has a pic of that set up

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Sport440] #214841
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Air bags? like in big trucks , I was just getin lazy , it would be easy to fit something where the shocks mount thats not a coilover but could support the weight , I guess air bags will hold up the truck just havent seen it in racing.

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Quicktree] #214842
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still no body has answered why you would want to set up a modern day race car like this





That car was built in 95, It is just simple, it works. The car would hook at test and tune like it would on raceday. When our competitors were changing 4-link bars, checking how far the zip tie moved up on compression and making shock ajustments we were setting in the trailer talking and having a good time. Low Mantinence! And I know when you get a 4 link car set-up you don't have to mess with it but you don't even have to go through getting it right.


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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: sdaurity] #214843
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still no body has answered why you would want to set up a modern day race car like this





That car was built in 95, It is just simple, it works. The car would hook at test and tune like it would on raceday. When our competitors were changing 4-link bars, checking how far the zip tie moved up on compression and making shock ajustments we were setting in the trailer talking and having a good time. Low Mantinence! And I know when you get a 4 link car set-up you don't have to mess with it but you don't even have to go through getting it right.




oh OK, good to know thats a better set up than a 4 link. heck I may change mine

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: dodgedude4x4] #214844
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Float the front of the ladder bars,
Done it before , works well.......




I seen a stock elim. car set up this way. The back was bolted on to the plate that holds the spring and the front was a pice of tubing that slid inside of anouther tube that was mounted to the front spring eye bolt by 2 clips welded to the outer tube. The stockers have to have a bolton suspention. This car ran 1.30 60s and 10.00 with this setup. On your truck I would think the spring was on tob of the rear, so you would have to find a way to mount it underneath. You might try a leaf link suspention with a bar going from the top of where the rear mounts to the spring to the front frame at the spring mount.
good luck and I did see where you are keeping the springs as per class rules


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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: wildcargo] #214845
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Hows this for leaf springs & ladder bars car runs 10.60 with a 1.36 60ft.

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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: G&S Perf.Engs.] #214846
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Hows this for leaf springs & ladder bars car runs 10.60 with a 1.36 60ft.





Well, Thats a Great example as to how well leaf springs and ladders can hook.


A 1.36 60 ft. hook should be good for a 10.0 run.

That car is certainly Hooking but not Booking for its 60 ft, ET. Still, Overall not bad IMO. For its ET its a Hook monster, mike

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Sport440] #214847
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I don't see why a floater and a good set of adjustable rancho's wouldnt work great!

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Dustedu] #214848
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ive got a 78 dodge 4x4 full size. using a ladder bar with a floater and drag shocks it works great in the drags and also in the pits. my bars mount at the center of weight on the truck. it is like the kit from jegs (not the CE kit) but adapted to go over the axle. we also have a truck with the CE kit. i think you can stay lower that way. a few other guys brag how they are running the ladder bar with no floater or slider.... but those trucks wheel-hop like crazy!!! also seen it done with the spring slider but the guy who built mine prefers the floater. i will try to get some pics. BTW your bars look a little short.

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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: psycho_440] #214849
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ive got a 78 dodge 4x4 full size. using a ladder bar with a floater and drag shocks it works great in the drags and also in the pits. my bars mount at the center of weight on the truck. it is like the kit from jegs (not the CE kit) but adapted to go over the axle. we also have a truck with the CE kit. i think you can stay lower that way. a few other guys brag how they are running the ladder bar with no floater or slider.... but those trucks wheel-hop like crazy!!! also seen it done with the spring slider but the guy who built mine prefers the floater. i will try to get some pics. BTW your bars look a little short.


The bars are 33" we had long bars and had too much lift , I want to keep the front wheels in the mud , wheelies are fun but too hard to recover from if your not dead on, The CE sliders we have arent enough , I will check jeggs for the floater kit thanks

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214850
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wow!!! wheelies with dot tires??? what you runnin???

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: psycho_440] #214851
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wow!!! wheelies with dot tires??? what you runnin???


Its a 84 toyota pickup with a 414 W5 small block

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214852
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Wow, what timing. I love the old gassers and just finished building homemade ladder bars for my '63. More for looks than working at the track in my case. I'm sure it is all screwed up but that's because I built em. Mine are 60" long and will mount with a single heim joint under the rear end and another single heim joint under the subframe connectors. All the girder work is just to keep the one pipe from flexing, but more importantly to get the look right. Sure do keep learning a lot from all those who have been here before, thanks. Oh, my rear end housing is under the leaf spring on this car. Kinda like you truck guys. Now I just hope I don't tear stuff apart driving back and forth to work!!!

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: jp66charger] #214853
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Leaf springs with ladder bars and floaters can work well. Before re-backhalved my Duster, it was a leaf spring / ladder bar car. Best 60' was 1.35 but the normal was between 1.37 -1.40 depending on weather and track. Ran between 10.05 and 10.20. Won my fair share of races, so it does work. Take some time to get it set up right and test, test and test until you get it where you want. Good luck and have fun!


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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: brktracr] #214854
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Was thinking about this why do you nead the front half of the spring, just put the ladderbars in the front and a leaf from say the back half of the cal track single leaf spring and a watts link or a diagnal link.
So what you think


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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: wildcargo] #214855
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Was thinking about this why do you nead the front half of the spring, just put the ladderbars in the front and a leaf from say the back half of the cal track single leaf spring and a watts link or a diagnal link.
So what you think


We just put 2 leafs back in down from 4 & have around 2" of down travel now thats not too stiff, than it starts to bind and stiffen up , with the 4 leafs you could not move the back of the truck down at all, I am thinking of pulling the last spring and trying it with only the main spring ,gota check rules

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