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Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214820 02/05/09 06:49 PM 02/05/09 06:49 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,475 SW Ohio C cgall top fuel
cgall top fuel C Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,475 SW Ohio	You need to use the floaters, you are bound up. The ladders and springs are travelling on different radii. In mud you probably don't notice it much, but on pavement with slicks you would be in the wall.

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: cgall] #214821 02/05/09 07:07 PM 02/05/09 07:07 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,238 North Cackilacky S sdaurity pro stock
sdaurity pro stock S Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,238 North Cackilacky	What Mud Pit do you race at? Lee County Mud Motorsports is 2 miles from my house. One day I will have something cool here.

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214822 02/06/09 11:32 AM 02/06/09 11:32 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 406 Oregon,USA R RAT PATROL mopar
RAT PATROL mopar R Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 406 Oregon,USA	I still run leaf springs with a four link at 9.18 and 144 MPH. 5005208-Rearendsized.jpg (4238 downloads)

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: RAT PATROL] #214823 02/06/09 11:51 AM 02/06/09 11:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: I still run leaf springs with a four link at 9.18 and 144 MPH. it must be working but I have ask why would you do that

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: RAT PATROL] #214824 02/06/09 11:52 AM 02/06/09 11:52 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,238 North Cackilacky S sdaurity pro stock
sdaurity pro stock S Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,238 North Cackilacky	my pops car has been 1.19 60' 8.30 @ 170 3400lbs, 10.5w's. On ladder bars, floaters, and factory leaf springs. It does work. One day I will have something cool here.

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: sdaurity] #214825 02/06/09 12:11 PM 02/06/09 12:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: my pops car has been 1.19 60' 8.30 @ 170 3400lbs, 10.5w's. On ladder bars, floaters, and factory leaf springs. It does work. you can throw enough HP at something and still go fast. but what is the reason for running a set up like that when there is better ways to do it? is it because of the class, to save a few bucks? etc. just curious?

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Quicktree] #214826 02/06/09 12:27 PM 02/06/09 12:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	You might want to look into cal-trac's. Don't know if they make them for heavier trucks but you could give them a call. Your right about muddin and drag racing, it about putting the tires to the ground . it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: rowin4] #214827 02/06/09 12:35 PM 02/06/09 12:35 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 90 In the mud somewhere D dodgedude4x4 member
dodgedude4x4 member D Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 90 In the mud somewhere	Float the front of the ladder bars, Done it before , works well.......

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: dodgedude4x4] #214828 02/06/09 01:04 PM 02/06/09 01:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Float the front of the ladder bars, Done it before , works well....... That would be the equivalent to slapper bars

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214829 02/06/09 01:58 PM 02/06/09 01:58 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,110 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,110 Bend,OR USA	You need a set of sliders on your set up instead of a floater kit,IMHO We used them years ago on a drag car with ladder bars, it would hook up in a mud pit in the middle of a rain storm It least it seemed like it would Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Cab_Burge] #214830 02/06/09 04:30 PM 02/06/09 04:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc E emarine01 OP master
emarine01 OP master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	We have sliders @ the back of leafs , they let the rear end of the leaf flex a little but still too stiff , yanked the leafs out this morning to get some clean measurements , going coilover would be really easy but that boots us out of class , I can build floaters for spring over axle or change out to a longer spring to match my IC< MR P > or I can go coil spring like a chebby and stay in my class? Got 2 weeks to figure it out , I think the 4 links work with leafs cause of the 4 hiem joints pivot , the ladder bar is like a solid truss , not much give ,I have never raced at Lee Co. , they run mostly hill & hole , they have a flat track but only ran rails last year, if they open the flat up we will go its about 2hr drive. Well now my mess is apart so keep the ideas comming

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214831 02/06/09 05:14 PM 02/06/09 05:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 743 East Brunswick New Jersey N NoFrills super stock
NoFrills super stock N Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 743 East Brunswick New Jersey	a friend of mine has a old super stock camaro with old SRD ladder bars instead of using floaters they have rollers one on top and one below the spring that come off of mounts on the axle you could make something like that for a spring over axle

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: NoFrills] #214832 02/06/09 06:46 PM 02/06/09 06:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc E emarine01 OP master
emarine01 OP master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	It looks like comp eng makes a bolt on floater for spring under axle ,It looks like to me that once the spring purch is cut off it doesent matter weather its above or below the axle , the hight dosent look too bad?

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214833 02/06/09 09:18 PM 02/06/09 09:18 PM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere S smokinwoody I Live Here
smokinwoody I Live Here S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere	you see this car.. very old school gasser..uses the stock leaf suspension with long set of ladder bars and NO floaters.. thats what they did back then and thats whats still on this car...he uses a BOP rear(saginaw 9 1/4") that uses a welded seamed axle housing... the two different motions or archs of rthe leaves and the ladder bars caused the seam to split open on the axle housing... just so you know what can happen without a floater to allow the axle to rotate with two oposing forces... I did fi the rear for him but he was missing pieces from his floater kit so I beefed the axle housing and the ladder bar connection points till he gets the parts or revises the rear suspension.. that 56 goes high nines and I cant figure out how it still passes tech...

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: smokinwoody] #214834 02/06/09 09:31 PM 02/06/09 09:31 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: you see this car.. very old school gasser..uses the stock leaf suspension with long set of ladder bars and NO floaters.. thats what they did back then and thats whats still on this car...he uses a BOP rear(saginaw 9 1/4") that uses a welded seamed axle housing... the two different motions or archs of rthe leaves and the ladder bars caused the seam to split open on the axle housing... just so you know what can happen without a floater to allow the axle to rotate with two oposing forces... I did fi the rear for him but he was missing pieces from his floater kit so I beefed the axle housing and the ladder bar connection points till he gets the parts or revises the rear suspension.. that 56 goes high nines and I cant figure out how it still passes tech... I'm sure it has enough IC before it binds up that allows it to hook.... but then again its busting up parts doing it

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: RAT PATROL] #214835 02/06/09 09:34 PM 02/06/09 09:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	still no body has answered why you would want to set up a modern day race car like this

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: smokinwoody] #214836 02/06/09 09:43 PM 02/06/09 09:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc E emarine01 OP master
emarine01 OP master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	We used to have 60" ladder bars with the leafs and a shackle up front , we had too much nose lift , picked front wheels up , went to 33" bars to keep the front wheels from pulling ,<4x4 >, the short bars are way too stiff , had some give on the long bars ,I can see where it will tear stuff up

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214837 02/06/09 10:42 PM 02/06/09 10:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc E emarine01 OP master
emarine01 OP master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	Hey, how do air shocks work , do they support the weight of the car? Kinda like coilovers but with air?

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: emarine01] #214838 02/06/09 11:00 PM 02/06/09 11:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio S Sport440 master
Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	Air Shocks can assist with support. But they arent like coil overs. Or do you mean the air bag support type suspension.

Re: leaf springs with ladder bars? [Re: Quicktree] #214839 02/06/09 11:08 PM 02/06/09 11:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio S Sport440 master
Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	Quote: still no body has answered why you would want to set up a modern day race car like this Ill answer that! The answer is Simplicity. Or so it seems when some first do it this way. Then Later, in almost all cases that Ive seen. It all gets changed out. Its all about the learning curve, we have all started somewhere on it. Why do people start out with 8.3/4,s mike Last edited by Sport440; 02/06/09 11:11 PM.

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