Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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I bought my car 13 years ago. It still wears the tires the previous owner had on it. I drive mostly surface streets (very rarely on the freeway) 45-50 mph maximum. I drive it less than 1,000 miles per summer. Tires "look" OK. What would you do? Same as you, drive on 'em. Mine have been on for 14 years I've had it. Dad has at least one on his '70 that has antique status, it's at least 25 years old. Next time I see the car I'll have to remember to look at the date code. Robert
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Also same as you. I put BFG T/A's on my car 16 yrs ago. Have maybe 5000 miles on them now at best. Tires still look brand new. Of course the car is garage kept so the tires don't see much sun light, and I always keep them dressed with some kind of tire dressing to prevent dry rot. You should be fine. Mine are about 10 years old, like new, with 6K miles on them.. I always thought the same about sun being the culprit, which it is a problem, but lately been reading about the compound drying out and the oils in them dissipating..... I hate to spend the money on new tires but I do have concerns about mine..........
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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It not just sun that can cause damage. The glue inside can fail over time. I had 2 BFG failures:
1)Tires were pushing 18 years old on my ’71 GTX. Looked perfect on the outside, tons of treat left. Vehicle only driven to cruises, etc under 65 mph usually. One day about 1 mile into my ride felt a strange sensation, like a driveshaft or u-joint, or tire low on air. Wasn’t too strong, but concerning. Got out looked around at the tires to see if maybe one was low on pressure, all appeared ok. Got back in and another 3 miles or so at 55mph and got a sudden wild vibration and then as I was slowing down BANG. Right rear tire let go. Lucky it did not take out my ¼ or wheel lip molding. It was like the layers inside just let go in a section.
2)These tires were on my driver Cordoba, which I used a lot up to about 20K miles then the car sat for about 10 years and saw occasional use (parked indoors). Again tires looked perfect, but had 20K of wear on them as expected. Decided to take to work one day and at 70 mph I had a hopping in my front end that was unreal. Pulled over and looked at my tire and it was literally twisting. The tread was wobbled over like 1” about ¼ way around. I put on the spare and got to work. The belt shifted over, which I again think was due to internal failure of the bonding glue inside. Got all 4 new tires, which stunk, since they are 245/65/15, which I found out are hard to find.
So my experience is different than others. I did put BFGs back on, since I cant say it was an inherent failure, but now I am more cautious about age of tires.
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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I always keep them dressed with some kind of tire dressing to prevent dry rot. You should be fine. Do you put the dressing on the tread and inside sidewall? If not you are only doing 1/3rd of the tire.
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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I knew I'd maybe catch some slack on this post. But like I said, my tires are 16 year old BFG T/A's. Have maybe 4000 miles on them if that. Car sits in garage most the time, gets about 250 miles a year put on it to car shows. Tires look brand new still with no weather checking at all, and to answer someones question, YES I do dress both sides of the tire but not the tread part once a year at least. Personally I can't see replacing a set of tires like this until I start seeing problems with them. In a couple more years I may think about new ones.
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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I knew I'd maybe catch some slack on this post. But like I said, my tires are 16 year old BFG T/A's. Have maybe 4000 miles on them if that. Car sits in garage most the time, gets about 250 miles a year put on it to car shows. Tires look brand new still with no weather checking at all, and to answer someones question, YES I do dress both sides of the tire but not the tread part once a year at least. Personally I can't see replacing a set of tires like this until I start seeing problems with them. In a couple more years I may think about new ones. MY BFG radials are 21 years old. Still look like the day I had them put on. Probably 5K miles on them. I have been wondering too about aging as I have read quite a bit in the last year. Still keep rolling the dice I guess...
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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The issue, as I see it is what might happen if a tire fails? A set of tires is around $600 give or take. How much damage can a tire do that comes apart at 30 mph? I've seen tires nearly rip a quarter off, or destroy a front fender when they come apart. That would really suck on a pristine original or correctly restored or a nice show car.
So to borrow a phrase from Clint Eastwood, "Do you feel lucky, Punk?" Is the cost of a set of tires worth the cost to repair the damage an old tire might cause if it should fail?
I took a set of 15 year old Michelin's off my coupe before I went on vacation. This was a car that saw regular highway speeds and hours of driving at a time before vacation. I figured all the advantages of a set of new tires was worth the expense before departing on my vacation, and I would be able to choose what tires I wanted to buy. That option might not exist a couple hundred miles from home.
I don't have an issue with tires that still looked good that were 7 or 8 years old, but even my 15 year old Michelin's were starting to make me nervous. BF Goodrich tires sucked when they were new (I worked in a tire shop back then). One other thing I was a bit concerned about was, how old were the "new" tires I was getting put on? Seems there should be some kind of law prohibiting a tire company from selling 4 year old new tires, but there isn't. Where I bought my new tires, they had the date codes for all 4 written on the bill, I'm not sure if everyone does that or not. Gene
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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There is a simple test you can do on tires:
1. On a new or fairly new tire, depress the tread with your thumb and notice how pliable and soft it is. It should be soft and pliable and there should be no cracking.
2. Do the same test on your old tires and compare results. If still soft, you're probably reasonably safe for moderate speeds that don't heat up the tire as much as high speeds.
If the tread on the old tires is quite hard and rigid, the ride will be more harsh and will make more tire noise. And if there are also cracks, failure is more likely than if it were soft with no cracks.
The temporary spare in my 1989 daily driver's trunk is more than 27 years old. It's still soft with no cracks. No plans to replace it.
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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I remember when BF Goodrich Radial TA tires had raised letters that were white like these Goodyears. Of course that was before Michelin purchased Goodrich and began producing raised brown letter tires.
255 60 or larger are brown. 235 60's are still white. Tires in photos on friend's RR have been mounted less than 2 weeks from new. Brown letters on RR are 275 60's. White letters are fronts which are 235 60's.
All 4 new TA's on our 71 Vette are 3 months old on the car 255 60's and are dark brown.
This is a common problem with these tires. Believe I now have found the cause, but not yet certain.
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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My BFGs were 8 years old when the right front came apart and destroyed the fender on my RR.
Tires are cheap compared to paint and body work.
Quit being cheap and lazy. Replace your old tires before your car (or a person) gets hurt.
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Good luck!
Also the tire dressing stuff, at least according to Michelin, accelerates breakdown of the rubber. the motorcycle world has been saying that for years..
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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My BFGs were 8 years old when the right front came apart and destroyed the fender on my RR.
Tires are cheap compared to paint and body work.
Quit being cheap and lazy. Replace your old tires before your car (or a person) gets hurt. Check the reviews on suitable tires for my car, 8.55x15 was the original size w/ a twin stripe whitewall. I DID find a twin stripe J78x15, but it's not radial which I prefer. Reviews are pretty bad, from outright failure to whitewalls turning brown. I'll continue to monitor my current tires condition closely. I've seen what tread coming off can do to fenders and quarter panels. I'm really not interested in modern wheels and tires on this car, pretty fond of it as is, even like the hubcaps, must be getting old. Robert
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Not much left in. 275/60/15 to choose from these days.... I imagine in a few more years, that size won't exist new, and if it does, it will be expensive.
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Go on YouTube and check out the damage that can occur with old dry rotted tires - when a dry rotted tire throws a sidewall or ply separation, it explodes, it doesn't go down easy at all. That explosion will ruin so much stuff on your car it isn't funny. Check it out: Tire Explosion This does happen on street cars too -- just because it's on a rolling dyno isn't the only reason this did this. Look at how thick the sheetmetal is in the trunk area that is mangled -- not worth it in my book. Tires are cheap -- bodywork and lives are much more valuable. Yes, stop being cheap................
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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I bought my car 13 years ago. It still wears the tires the previous owner had on it. I drive mostly surface streets (very rarely on the freeway) 45-50 mph maximum. I drive it less than 1,000 miles per summer. Tires "look" OK. What would you do? Do you like to gamble? Most games of chance have the odds against you. Replace them! At that age they can come apart like a hand grenade. There are always the ones that say they are driving around on old tires, don't listen to them. At 40-50 mph you have four time bombs attached to your car... chances are you won' t get any warning before the explosion!
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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For what tires cost....No!
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Would you use a 15 year old condom. I didn't use it but when I was young I packed the same one in my wallet around for about that long................ And that old joint with it should have been used before it was that old too... Joints got used much quicker.. They did not require a willing partner of the opposite sex...... LOL
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Re: Would you trust 13 year old tires?
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Don't know what brand your tires are, but I have told the story here before ...
The only tires I have EVER had a failure with have been BFG t/a radials.
First one was one that came with a used set of wheels, belts seperated/broke on the road, got a major wobble in the tread, on the road, vacation, to sell the car, new pair of tires and overnight to find tire store put a dent in the profit.
Over a long time I sort of forgot and replaced the worn out set(T/As) on a pickup I had bought with a new set of T/A's. A couple years later, one got a wobble and was replaced.
A while later, another blew out while the truck was parked.
A friend had two blow out while sitting in his yard on another truck ... parked for repairs fortunately.
T/A s are the best looking lettered tire made IMHO, but I don't trust them anymore.
It would be one thing if it were just me who had problems with them, but I am not.
Oh, and I forgot about the very first set I bought in the '70s.
Out of the first 4 I put on, one was so far out of balance that 16 oz of lead wouldn't bring it into range ...
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