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Handling/brake upgade #21199
12/15/05 04:40 PM 12/15/05 04:40 PM

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Hi I recently purchsed a 2 door 67 Chrysler New Yorker and I was interested in upgrading the brakes to discs and improving the handling of the car. I found alot of tech articles on swapping discs brakes n suspension pieces for other model cars and was wondering if anyone can supply me with any info on my car. Thanks-Bill
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Not sure about the brakes, but I'd think the disc setups from -72-74 will bolt up. AS far as handling, invest in a rear sway bar, perhaps some beeffier rear springs, and then get some big wheels and low profile tires for it. The wheels/tires, coupled with urethane bushings thruout will make it handle like it on rails..at least as well as you can get..lol.

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Re: Handling/brake upgade [Re: moper] #21201
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Get the `70 to `73 single piston brakes and be sure to use the 11.75 rotors on that heavy car. You will need the bendix disk brake booster too to make it work right. Get a matched set of sway bars and you can upgrade the torsion bars to the 1.06" 1974 chrysler units that came on wagons and some other HD applications. Do not use urethane bushings except on the sway bars unless you want to ruin the quiet smoothe ride that we buy these big cars for.

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Get the `70 to `73 single piston brakes and be sure to use the 11.75 rotors on that heavy car. You will need the bendix disk brake booster too to make it work right. Get a matched set of sway bars and you can upgrade the torsion bars to the 1.06" 1974 chrysler units that came on wagons and some other HD applications. Do not use urethane bushings except on the sway bars unless you want to ruin the quiet smoothe ride that we buy these big cars for.



Very good advice for a C body. Any Chrysler C body disk brakes will bolt right up from 70-73 Make sure you get the 70-73 spindles, caliper brackets, bracket bolts and dust shields, everything else is available from any parts store. I would add - get the HD replacement rear leaf springs from ESPO. The 1.06" torsion bars can be hard to find, but Wildcat auto wreckers has enough donor cars to at least find a set of 1.02"s If you don't get the combination valve from the donor car, www.mpbrakes.com has good stuff.
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Actually, if you want to use the better 11.75 rotor, you HAVE to use the '73 spindle ONLY. '72-earlier used a smaller spindle, and '74-up, there were changes made to the spindle ( I don't remember exactly what off hand ) I think in how the tie rod mounts.

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Re: Handling/brake upgade [Re: SattyNoCar] #21204
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I have a complete 11.75" setup from a `70 polara on my monaco. The only difference between the `70-`72 setup and the `73 is the spindle and inner wheel bearing. It`s a really easy swap and you even use the stock drum brake hose.

The `74 and newer has the ball joint in the lower control arm and is a totally different animal.

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And here's a list of Mopars using the 11.75" rotor and a link to buying Brembo 11.75" rotors

http://www.buybrakes.com/store/BR27090

1971 CHRYSLER 300 w/ One Piece Disc
1972 - 1973 CHRYSLER NEW YORKER
1972 - 1973 CHRYSLER NEWPORT
1972 - 1973 CHRYSLER TOWN & COUNTRY
1973 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN Front Disc - Standard
1973 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN Front Disc - Heavy Duty
1974 - 1979 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum
1974 - 1979 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1973 - 1978 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Front Disc; w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1973 - 1978 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Front Disc; w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1973 - 1978 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Front Disc; w/ 11" Rear Drum
1979 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Rear Drum - Finned
1979 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Rear Drum - Plain
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ 11" Rear Drum
1974 - 1978 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum
1974 - 1978 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1979 - 1980 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN
1981 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN w/ Rear Drum - Finned
1981 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN w/ Rear Drum - Plain
1972 - 1973 DODGE MONACO w/ Front Disc
1974 - 1977 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD)
1978 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum
1978 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 11" Rear Drum
1979 - 1981 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1979 - 1981 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1979 - 1981 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 11" Rear Drum
1974 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 1/2 TON PB100, 150 VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1974 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 1/2 TON PB100, 150 VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1974 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 1/2 TON PB100, 150 VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1974 - 1979 PLYMOUTH 3/4 TON PB200, 250 VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum
1974 - 1979 PLYMOUTH 3/4 TON PB200, 250 VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1980 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 3/4 TON PB200, 250 VAN w/ Finned Rear Drum
1980 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 3/4 TON PB200, 250 VAN w/ Plain Rear Drum
1973 PLYMOUTH FURY, SPORT FURY, SUBURBAN WAGON w/ 2" Brakes
1973 PLYMOUTH FURY, SPORT FURY, SUBURBAN WAGON w/ 2.5" Brakes
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Here's a list of the Mopar kiloton cruisers torsion bar specs from Da Boyz over at the C Body Drydock. Get the 1.06" if you can...

I believe this info is recorded correctly, but if anyone spots a mistake, I will edit.


1967, 68, 69, 70, 71:

FURY (P) length: 44" diameters: .94"/.96"/.98"

383, 426, 440, HD susp. opt., POLICE: .98"

POLARA/MONACO (D) length: 47" diameters: .94"/.96"/.98"

ALL CHRYSLER (C) length: 47" diameters: .96"/.98"

AC, 440 HP, HD susp. opt., POLICE: .98"
STATION WAGONS: .94"

IMP (Y) length: 50" diameters: 1.0"/1.06"

HD susp. opt.: 1.06"

1972:

FURY (P) length: 44" diameters: .94"/.98"

383, 426, 440, HD susp. opt., Police: .98"

POLARA/MONACO (D) length: 44" diameters: .94"/.96"/.98"

ALL CHRYSLER (C) length: 47" diameters: .96"/.98"

AC, 440 HP, HD susp. opt., POLICE: .98"
STATION WAGONS: .94"

IMP (Y) length: 50" diameters: 1.02"/1.06"

HD susp. opt.: 1.06"

1973:

FURY (P) / POLARA/MONACO (D) length: 44" diameters: .94"/.98"

ALL CHRYSLER (C) length: 47" diameters: .96"/.98"

AC, 440 HP, HD susp. opt., POLICE: .98"
STATION WAGONS: .94"

IMP (Y) length: 50" diameters: 1.02"/1.06"

HD susp. opt.: 1.06"

1974:

CHRYSLER (C) / IMP (Y) length: 47" diameters: 1.0"/1.04"/1.06"

STATION WAGONS, SEDANS (HD susp opt.), 440 (HD): 1.04"
SUBURBANS, POLICE: 1.06"

1975:

GRAN FURY (P) / POLARA / MONACO (D)
length: 47" diameters: .98"/1.04"/1.06"

CHRYSLER (C) / IMP (Y) length: 47" diameters: 1.0"/1.04"/1.06"

STATION WAGONS, SEDANS (HD susp opt.), 440 (HD): 1.04"
SUBURBANS, POLICE: 1.06"

1976, 77:

(P) / (D) length: 47" diameters: .98"/1.02"/1.06"

CHRYSLER (C) / IMP (Y) length: 47" diameters: .98"/1.02"/1.06"

440: .98"
440 (HD), HD susp. opt.: 1.02"
STATION WAGONS: 1.02"
HD susp. ––WAGONS / NYer BROUGHAM: 1.06"
POLICE: 1.06"

1978:

(C) length: 47" diameters: 1.02"/1.06"

360 / 400 / 440: 1.02"
440 (HD), HD susp. sedans: 1.06"
POLICE: 1.06"

44" bars

0.94=120#
0.96=131#
0.98=142#
1.04=180#
1.06=194#

47" bars

0.94=104#
0.96=114#
0.98=132#
1.00=133#
1.04=156#
1.06=168#

50" bars

1.00=135#
1.02=146#
1.06=170#
1.075=180# First gen Dakota 4x4 bar
1.25=324# 3rd gen. Dakota 4x4 bar
1.43=563# 2004 Ram 1500 4x4 bar

Chrysler introduced a new C body for the 1974 model year. In that year all C bodies, Fury, Monaco, Chrysler and Imperial, shared the came torsion bars. They were 47" bars, same as the 1965-73 Chryslers.

The Plymouth Fury used 44" bars from 1965 through 1973. The 1974 Fury and 1975-77 Gran Fury used 47" bars.

Canadian market Dodge Polara/Monaco models used 44" bars from 1965 while American market Dodges used 47". All Polara and Monaco models used 44" bars in 1972-73 and switched to 47" for 1974.

The Imperial adopted the C body when it switched to unibody construction for 1967. It was basically the New Yorker body with a 3" longer front stub (and torsion bars). The 1974 Imperial used the same front stub as the other C bodies and thus switched to 47" bars. The C body Imperial bars do not interchange with the bars from the earlier D body (1957-66).

The difference in length between the 122" wheelbase Plymouth and Dodge C bodies in 1974 and the 124" wheelbase Chrysler and Imperial C bodies was in the back seat floor.
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Wow-Thanks for all the info, I'm new to the Mopar scene but I have fallen in love with these cars. All of your info has given me a great starting point. Once I set up the beast to be able to stop I will upgrade the exhaust and cam/carb. I have a performer intake manifold to slap on also. Thanks again-Bill
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And here's a list of Mopars using the 11.75" rotor and a link to buying Brembo 11.75" rotors

http://www.buybrakes.com/store/BR27090

1971 CHRYSLER 300 w/ One Piece Disc
1972 - 1973 CHRYSLER NEW YORKER
1972 - 1973 CHRYSLER NEWPORT
1972 - 1973 CHRYSLER TOWN & COUNTRY
1973 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN Front Disc - Standard
1973 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN Front Disc - Heavy Duty
1974 - 1979 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum
1974 - 1979 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON B-100/150 SERIES VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1973 - 1978 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Front Disc; w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1973 - 1978 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Front Disc; w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1973 - 1978 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Front Disc; w/ 11" Rear Drum
1979 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Rear Drum - Finned
1979 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ Rear Drum - Plain
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1980 - 1981 DODGE 1/2 TON D-100/150 SERIES PICK-UP (2WD) w/ 11" Rear Drum
1974 - 1978 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum
1974 - 1978 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1979 - 1980 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN
1981 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN w/ Rear Drum - Finned
1981 DODGE 3/4 TON B-200/250 SERIES VAN w/ Rear Drum - Plain
1972 - 1973 DODGE MONACO w/ Front Disc
1974 - 1977 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD)
1978 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum
1978 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 11" Rear Drum
1979 - 1981 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1979 - 1981 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1979 - 1981 DODGE RAMCHARGER (2WD) w/ 11" Rear Drum
1974 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 1/2 TON PB100, 150 VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum - Plain
1974 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 1/2 TON PB100, 150 VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum - Finned
1974 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 1/2 TON PB100, 150 VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1974 - 1979 PLYMOUTH 3/4 TON PB200, 250 VAN w/ 10" Rear Drum
1974 - 1979 PLYMOUTH 3/4 TON PB200, 250 VAN w/ 11" Rear Drum
1980 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 3/4 TON PB200, 250 VAN w/ Finned Rear Drum
1980 - 1981 PLYMOUTH 3/4 TON PB200, 250 VAN w/ Plain Rear Drum
1973 PLYMOUTH FURY, SPORT FURY, SUBURBAN WAGON w/ 2" Brakes
1973 PLYMOUTH FURY, SPORT FURY, SUBURBAN WAGON w/ 2.5" Brakes



Would all these applications work with the 73-76 A body disc spindles. These are what I am using on my '68 Coronet??
Thnx..sorry to hijack

Re: Handling/brake upgade [Re: moparrulzzz] #21209
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Urethane doesnt ruin quiet rides..Lack of lubing urethane ruins quiet rides..lol

Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: Handling/brake upgade [Re: moparrulzzz] #21210
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The C-barge stuff won't work on the A-body spindle. You can get the same diameter with the mid-late 70's B-body "cop car" rotors, they're just 1" thick rather than 1.25" thick. The C stuff is HEAVY!!

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Re: Handling/brake upgade [Re: gamagoat6x6] #21211
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Quote:

I have a complete 11.75" setup from a `70 polara on my monaco. The only difference between the `70-`72 setup and the `73 is the spindle and inner wheel bearing. It`s a really easy swap and you even use the stock drum brake hose.

The `74 and newer has the ball joint in the lower control arm and is a totally different animal.



Maybe I should rephrase that, '73 also brought about the 'one piece' unicast rotor. The earlier pressed together rotors are spendy (if you can find 'em). When I did my '71 Chrysler about 10yrs ago, ONE new two piece rotor was more expensive then TWO of the '73 unicast rotor.

As mentioned above, its been 10yrs since I messed with C-body stuff, so the memories are a bit fuzzy.
Re: Handling/brake upgade [Re: SattyNoCar] #21212
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Replacement rotors for the `70 to `72 stuff are one piece now same as the `73.

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