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Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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Went to take off my wheels yesterday to mount up some new tires. Couldn't believe my eyes! Checked all of the lugs and they were all at least 100 ft/lbs to remove, so they weren't loose! These where strange screw in studs running with a steet wheel. Drag radials, Trans brake, 3740lbs, 1.38 best 60ft.   
Last edited by dizuster; 07/30/16 09:25 AM.
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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And/or put that thing on a diet! haha
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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Check the housing for straightness, good chance it's bent also.
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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Do i see the pic right? It looks like the holes in the flanges are bigger than the studs going through them. If so, that wouldnt provide the stud with any side support.
Edit...i see its a disc brake rotor on there.
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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I was shearing 1/2" studs in my "Cuda before I switched over to 5/8" drive studs. Never hurt a wheel again. It is a little work, though. Axles have to be drilled and tapped. Holes in brake rotors will have to be opened up. And it will be a pretty snug fit with the wheels, too. It will be a straight shot in, so you will have to be able to maneuver the wheel around in the wheel well for that.
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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07/30/16 11:26 AM
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Where are you gonna find steel wheels for 5/8 studs?  I remember Monte saying drag radial cars need to be built like a promod in the rear.
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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Happens a lot on steel wheels... the surface area at the base of the stud isnt big enough.. with all the torque they will move.. and pounds on the edges of the base.. once its large enough it can do anything.. but see where the studs are cut down .. thats at the base area 
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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Maybe it's just the photo but the center hole in your wheel appeared to be larger than the register on the axle. If this is the case I can see how this would be hard on the studs.
Good luck with it all,
Bill I agree, that register hole in the wheel doesn't match the axel register. That, didn't help at all. Probably the main cause. Second all the power at the hit, that your putting down.
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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No...........the problem is drag radials. They are unforgiving and break EVERYTHING. And I would also bet the housing is bent from the spring perches out.
The issue with steel wheels and ANY size stud in something with power, is the way the wheel mounts. When aftermarket parts are involved, the wheel no longer registers on the axle. The hole in the wheel is bigger than stud and your sole means of support is the cone on the nut. Add drag radials and I am surprised it hasn't already broke the studs. So even if you do go 5/8 studs, you are going to have to come up with another way to clamp a steel wheel, if that is what you are going to run. The wheel MUST fit the unthreaded shank on the stud, as that is what supports the wheel
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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No...........the problem is drag radials. They are unforgiving and break EVERYTHING. And I would also bet the housing is bent from the spring perches out Mine snapped an ear off a Spicer 7290 u-joint 2 weeks ago running ET Street Pro's. I was surprised it happened at my power level! Of course it was trashing the Auburn sure-grip as well but I expected that.
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Re: Wow... Time for 5/8“ wheel studs?!
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No...........the problem is drag radials. They are unforgiving and break EVERYTHING. And I would also bet the housing is bent from the spring perches out.
The issue with steel wheels and ANY size stud in something with power, is the way the wheel mounts. When aftermarket parts are involved, the wheel no longer registers on the axle. The hole in the wheel is bigger than stud and your sole means of support is the cone on the nut. Add drag radials and I am surprised it hasn't already broke the studs. So even if you do go 5/8 studs, you are going to have to come up with another way to clamp a steel wheel, if that is what you are going to run. The wheel MUST fit the unthreaded shank on the stud, as that is what supports the wheel What Monte said but I will add that the vee shape hole in the steel wheel is like a cleaver to the stud. It may be possible to get straight shank studs and open up the holes in the wheels to the straight size diameter, or maybe some hat inserts like Lamb sells for the front wheels. There is a yellow TT Nova here that sheared off the studs launching on a well prepped track (Raidalfest at Huntsville) two events in a row. He put new studs on this year after shearing them off last year, and the results were the same except this year he went into the wall. Steel wheels on threaded studs + traction + power = trouble. Yeah, you dodged a bullet. Go buy a lotto ticket.
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