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auto body cost question #2119270
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What "ballpark" am I looking at?

What if I tore the car down to bare shell, and take it to a quality auto body shop to have the paint stripped, usual rust in quarters and windshield pillars cut out/ replaced, then primed? The trunk, rails, and floorpans are perfect.

I know there are SO MANY variables here, but any ideas of what I am looking at here? panic

I know a lot of you guys here have had that done, which is why I am asking here.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119367
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A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha !!!

A couple of weeks ago I had a bodyman come and look at my '69 RR to give me a "ballpark" quote. Basically the same stuff as you and finish in orange. This is body only - no final assembly ... $50,000 !!!!

It was hard to keep a straight face.

The question I have for you is why you're even asking such a ridiculous question on here. There are SO many variables and not one person able to see your car you can't possibly hope to get an answer to this here. You have to start calling local guys and having them look at the project.

Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119378
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Originally Posted By eightlitermopar
What "ballpark" am I looking at?




The "ballpark" is what your willing to spend, and the quality level you expect to achieve based on your budget, you'll find shops that will do it for several thousand dollars, and you'll find shops that will quote you into 5 figures easily, of course everyone wants the cheapest price along with the highest quality...ain't gonna happen, plus prices vary across the country, so it depends where the car is/or going for it's work


In the end, whatever quote you get, double it, so that your prepared for any price increase, because it will happen...

Re: auto body cost question [Re: DAYCLONA] #2119392
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I've seen these guys advertise, but I don't know of anyone who has done it:

U.S. Car Tool

Sounds like a bargain, compared to $50,000!!

Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119478
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This is what I started with last year and where it is now. PM me if you would like details. I hired all the work out.

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67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph
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Re: auto body cost question [Re: Stanton] #2119489
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Originally Posted By Stanton
The question I have for you is why you're even asking such a ridiculous question on here.


Because I have never done this before. I don't know what to prepare myself for. I know it does need to be done, but I don't know where to start. I figured my fellow mopar guys who have been down that road may be able to give me some direction. up

The $50,000 dollar quote on your ride gives me an idea of what I might expect while I am getting bids. shock panic


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Re: auto body cost question [Re: Fab64] #2119498
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Originally Posted By Fab64
I've seen these guys advertise, but I don't know of anyone who has done it:

U.S. Car Tool

Sounds like a bargain, compared to $50,000!!


I suggest anyone thinking about US Car Tool looking into their rep.

You can start here

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1525193/u-s-car-tool-scam.html


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Re: auto body cost question [Re: Supercuda] #2119508
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Quote:
I suggest anyone thinking about US Car Tool looking into their rep.

You can start here

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1525193/u-s-car-tool-scam.html


I saw this ad several years ago and was quite skeptical. Turns out, there have been many reasons to be skeptical! Thanks for the reminder for anyone considering this company for their body work.

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Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119537
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Let's be very clear that based on what I told the guy I wanted to end up with, $50,000 was absolutely ludicrous! I want to end up with a nice "driver", I have all the sheet metal, I would have the body blasted at my separate expense. There was no way he could justify the cost based on the turnaround time he gave me.

Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119540
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Primed and not painted? Did I read that right?

Car on a rotisserie and cleaned up underneath too?

I stripped my dart of everything including all the paint so the body shop guys could see what they are dealing with. Anything not wearing the original paint and they will pad their number to help cover the unseen/unknown. Strip the paint off yourself to save $$$ if you have to. I did because my car was on a waiting list to get in + I had nothing better to do.

Blocking and fitting panels seems simple enough, but it takes time to do this stuff right, and this is what sets an ok paint job from a really great paint job. Figure $1,000+/- to complete a lap of block sanding.

Also, I would stay clear of regular collision repair shops if you want proper old school hammer and dolly work, welding, etc. Around here the generic body shops beat the panels to the rough shape and then cover everything with filler and sand it all down again. They save time fixing the dents by covering up so-so metal work only to loose time sanding the filler to the right shape.

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Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119545
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Most restoration shops here in NE Ohio charge $65 to $100 per hour. Most will also want paid weekly for the hours they have in. Most will want the car together to make sure everything fits. The more you can do the more you save. My 68 GTX was taken to the shop first and after they were satisfied with fit of panels bumpers glass ect. They gave it back to me and we tore it down to a piece of metal. It comes down to what level you want to take the car to and how much you can do on your own. Its not cheap to have someone restore a car for you. If you have a shop replace panels you will be in 20 to 30k range easily.:(

Re: auto body cost question [Re: 68gtx] #2119614
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Time and material. Most good shops won't do a ballpark. No telling what secrets are hidden a body.


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Re: auto body cost question [Re: dart4forte] #2119666
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Hmmm..., thanks for the input.

It is a driver 1971 roadrunner. The paint is starting to have hairline cracks on the roof, which is why I want to strip it to metal so nothing gets left underneath.

My quarters and wheel well lip has some rust starting to come through. It will most likely be a panel replacement (Full or parital I don't know until I get it uncovered).

I have never welded quarters in before and I don't want to risk messing it up, but stripping the body down myself is fine. I have more time than money. LOL.


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Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119707
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A friend of mine has done 5 or 6 ground up cars the last 10 years.
He takes them down to a shell puts them on his rotisserie and takes them to a shop for body and paint work only.
He gets everything else ready for reassembly while the body is gone.
Everyone of his cars gets the bottom painted.
All of the sheet metal installed and aligned.
On the low side he has spent $8000 on a car that needed no panel replacement to $30000 for one that needed extensive repair.
This Road Runner was on the low side, a rust free California car.

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Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119710
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$8,000 - $12,000 depending on the metalwork needed and the shop you go to.


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Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119720
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It will be high. Most body shops won't even want to touch it, their bread and butter is insurance jobs. Let's face it, us car guys are picky nazis when it comes to our cars and I've never seen a paint job I've been entirely satisfied with. I was at the chevy dealer picking up some parts for work and I was dismayed at how orange peeley the paint on the new corvette in the showroom was.

Do you just want the car covered in epoxy primer so it doesn't rust and sent back to you or are they finishing the primer? To get a nice finish, the shop will apply multiple layers of high build primer, block sanding between each layer. This gives a smooth finish that fills minor imperfections. This adds lots of labor. Add to that your rust repair. Is the inside and underside getting done by the body shop as well or just the outside?

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Originally Posted By DaytonaTurbo


Do you just want the car covered in epoxy primer so it doesn't rust and sent back to you or are they finishing the primer? To get a nice finish, the shop will apply multiple layers of high build primer, block sanding between each layer. This gives a smooth finish that fills minor imperfections. This adds lots of labor. Add to that your rust repair. Is the inside and underside getting done by the body shop as well or just the outside?


Epoxy primer only, I can finish it. Of course, this may be one of those unseen variables. The underside looks pretty clean. As long as it does not have metal that needs to be replaced underneath, I could sand and paint it myself. The main thing is removing and replacing rusty panels, as well as some possible repair to the windshield "a" pillar.


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Re: auto body cost question [Re: eightlitermopar] #2119927
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Who and how is cleaning the underside prior to primer? No body shop is going to want to hose on some primer without the bottom being cleaned and prepped.

Re: auto body cost question [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #2119962
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MCR quoted me $15K just to paint a perfect body on a buddies black hemi runner. No bodywork; just paint.

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Originally Posted By mymcodebee
MCR quoted me $15K just to paint a perfect body on a buddies black hemi runner. No bodywork; just paint.





That's a fair price believe it or not for a PROFESSIONAL paint job done correctly on a Mopar

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