At Carlisle yesterday Muscle Motors displayed their new block.
It will be available in both tall and low deck wedge as well as HEMI. It won't be cheap at around $3800 rough. It appears that most will end up around $4500 ready to use.
Talked to Mike and Eric they think shipping to start in 30 days.

We can hope, but at least I have actually seen one for a change!!
PS they appear to be heavy. Eric didn't have finished weight, bet guessed tipping 300 lbs. with weight reduction program to come later. Main concern for now is getting them on the street.

300 pounds sounds like an iron block. $3,800-$4,500 isn't terrible. Maybe there is still hope.

This is great news...

I think its GREAT but how many of our members do you think are going to step up to the bar and order a 4500 dollar cast iron block. Personally i'm set but if I was looking I would still go for aluminium if I was laying out that much cash.

It seems like a KB aluminum block isn't that much more and is a proven block.

Good luck getting a KB

I wish Muscle Motors good luck with the new block.

My GTX is getting one. Its getting cast very shortly...........

Trust me I hope it is supported. I have a keith black and mega block sitting here so I'm set as my racing days are limited. If I was younger I really like the looks of that new style hemi block that Josh just bought. Beautiful piece

I would have bought their block, but started my build before they were available (MM is doing my engine).

I really missed the boat by not buying the megablock you have. He told me $3000 was the bottom price and at that time the megablock was supposedly right around the corner for $2850 with improvements over the old one. I rolled the dice and lost......

When Bob told me about it I wasn't real excited either as I had my 512 assembly for sale at the time. Guys wanted it for free so I decided I would build an engine for the green duster I traded for the Daytona. Instead of dumping money into a stock block gave bob a call and did some wheeling and dealing. He sold the World block the day I called and that was a good deal too.

I could get one, then look at it for a year or so before my budget would allow me to move forward with anything else.

I was prepared to pay Bob $2800 for it but when he said he was firm on $3000 the temptation of the new Megablock got the better of me.............

So this is Muscle Motors own enterprise?

Different than the allegedly forthcoming Mopar Performance cast iron blocks?

Correct but they no longer look to be forthcoming.....

I haven't run a big block part number at work for a long time.... but lets face it. FIAT doesn't give a rats azz about old mopar drag racers. The dealer I work at recently had an inspection and they wanted all the old "mopar" signage or pictures gone. We're all basically AMC guys now.

Booooo....that sucks! Time to leave MP behind and get civilians involved...should have a Ritter block in 2 weeks or less...we'll see!

Not surprising. FIAT has zero ties to the older Mopar, just like Daimler didn't. Wouldn't really expect them to do anything unless there was a big profit and volume window.......which there is not. They can't compete with the aftermarket so whats the point

Haven't found any info on the MM site about the new blocks. Is there anything documented out there

Yeah,,,tall deck, go cat go.

Who's going to be the crash test dummy, and find out the hard way which dimensions are off...? What are there, like 100 potential alignment/concentricity/thread depth/deck height errors?
If they're smart, they will actually build engines with the first castings, and not even take deposits until they have at least dyno results.
But I doubt it.

[/rant]It's just me, remembering some of their past work

Who's going to be the crash test dummy, and find out the hard way which dimensions are off...? What are there, like 100 potential alignment/concentricity/thread depth/deck height errors?
If they're smart, they will actually build engines with the first castings, and not even take deposits until they have at least dyno results.
But I doubt it.

^^^This will take a lot of the out of the forum when someone purchase the first one.^^^

The first blocks were cast 18 months ago.........

Had a long talk with a good reliable source at Carlisle about Hemi blocks. He has ONE older block left and won't sell. He's heard of none coming out as of now, only smoke, what he sees is what's left of the junk batch coming to surface. Chrysler sent quite a few of that batch to his dad to see if they where fixable, not enough pots to catch the oil and water running out. All those blocks where to be destroyed but a lot got through the cracks to unsuspecting buyers. Molds are still there but Fiat wants big bucks to let them go, could care less about the racers, only money. Only thing to do is keep patching what you got for now. He's won't run the S/S for fear a hurting it, and the stocker on a limited basis.
Sounded like he was in the know, since they build cars and engines.

"The first blocks were cast 18 months ago........."

And they're not ready yet???
Doing this in they're spare time???

You are kidding - right????

L
The entire Manhattan project took only 27 months. 18 months IS dragging their feet, or they're over their head.

Okay - so you are clueless..........

I will assume that a few of these blocks are on the street with a non disclosure agreement.

After seeing this same type of scenario play out with various different parts, from all sorts of companies over the years, I don't get too worked about new products coming to market until after they are already available and in the hands of consumers.

If these things actually make it to market, and prove out to be worthwhile pieces, I'm sure they'll sell plenty of them.

What was the budget for The Manhattan Project any way? Did we ever pay it off?

Really, do you have one that's useable or are YOU living in fairy land, repeating what you heard?

So how many new cast iron blocks have you brought into production?...........none you say...........so how is it exactly you know how long it SHOULD take to have them scienced out and ready to ship.

Seems Ritter is still having problems with their blocks and its been several years. There were always little issues with the World blocks. The place in TN hasn't quite got it right yet. Who knew all these companies had to do was call you and you could get them lined right out

Well here is a new Hemi block that was in a shop a few months ago. Was told it was a new one anyway. Sure looked it to me. Jusr sold my last Megablock. I still have one more aluminum block but if time comes I need another and nothing is out there then I'll sell my stuff and go a different direction.

I'm all for brand loyalty, but this is the sort of thing that should make you re-examine whether an RB is cost effective, or a deep pit to throw money into.
The reason the blocks cost so much is that (in addition to the R&D... ha ha I'm kidding, there isn't any) the start-up cost has to be amortized over a fairly small number of purchases. This is why they don't make aluminum heads for the 318 poly.
The model is the light bulb: the first bulb costs $10 million, the 10 millionth bulb costs $1.
They're only going to sell (perhaps, when Satan skates to work) 1,000, not 10,000.

Come on dude, thought you where smarter than that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize the problem. He said the first blocks where cast 18 months ago, the "science" part should be done before the first one is cast. It's not like theses groups are making a totally new product or re-inventing the wheel, just copy the blocks that where made in the 60's. Ever heard of reverse engineering? With the technology out there today it means one thing, human error. Make the stupid block just like before, get a working model. then make changes down the road. How long does it take KB to go from rough casting to finished product? Not 18 months I'm sure. You might wait that long, but you're just on a long list.

I am smarter than that. Starting from scratch tooling and core boxes, plus getting the casting process right takes TIME. Just because the first castings were cast 18 months ago, does NOT mean a single one of them was usable. After that run, any number of things may have needed to be changed. If that was tooling or core boxes, that is not a "shelf stock" item, nor are they cheap.

Make it like before...........so you mean with weak main webs, core shift and questionable oiling? Or do you mean with a max 4.380 bore, no provision for bigger cam, higher location, or bigger lifters. And two bolt main?.........gotcha. How many are YOU in for like that at $3500 a pop

Time and money are interchangeable. MM most likely doesn't have enough cash to speed the project up so they are doing what they can when they have the money to fund it.

If Ford wanted to release a new FE block they could have it on the market pretty quickly but they would throw 10 engineers and several million at it. Projects go pretty fast when you have lots of cash to grease the skids.

There's a pretty good article from about a year or so ago in Engine Professional magazine about the new Rousch Racing block they came up with. About all the CAD work involved, working out coolant flow paths, etc.
I think it illustrates Andy's point about the $$$ aspect of it. It didn't seem like it took all that long to get this new motor platform up and running...... But that's where the cubic dollars comes into play.

At least MM is willing to try.

"Return On Investment" dictates production manufacturing.

I want a stock block Hemi (more than strong enough) to replace the beat to death pieces i have now. If they want a 2000 or more hp engine, do billet, why waste time on an inferior design, just beating a dead horse. All those getting started processes do take time, but any problems-changes should be done before the first casting, heck there's plenty of materials they can use for the first prototype instead of cast iron.
Forgot to add, back in my shop class in the mid sixtys the shop teacher had signs posted around to make one think. The one I remember the most was the 5 P's, proper planing prevents poor performance. Over the years I've learned how true that is in everything.

That reply just states how little you know about what is involved in producing a cast block.

"That reply just states how little you know about what is involved in producing a cast block."
That reply shows you don't know jack. Be in a business for 45 years where you make a new product almost every week, then get back to me. Its like talking to 16 year old dropouts.

they would throw 10 engineers and several million at it

Henry II contribution: the Ford racing method = throw money at it.

I agree that an actual re-design isn't that simple, but just adding metal where it broke before has served as the fix for 100 years so far...

Are those products made for a narrow market like Mopar blocks?
I would be surprised if Mopar parts make up 10% of the performance market.
All businesses/manufacturers have to make new products & if there's no R.O.I. that product is dropped.

r
Let me say this first, I'm not posting to hurt anyone's feeling, just trying to pass on what I've learned over the years. ALL R&D is done before the first product is made whether it be cupcakes or space shuttles, no mater what the market is. There should be only two problems after the blocks where cast. 1- shoddy casting, In which case find someone better. 2- bad machining, find someone better. If you have to change something, R&D wasn't done properly to start with. Things fail because people get in over there head and did not think it through , know your limitations.
If you can't make a dime, don't start it, that's part of R&D.

The reality is they are most likely having to subcontract everything, other than the final product testing. So I think it's safe to say the delays are probably $$$ related.
I'm not going to pretend I know the nature of your business Crabman, I don't. But you cannot deny designing, casting and putting a new block into production is not a small undertaking.

Anyone have any pics?

"ALL R&D is done before the first product is made"

Let me make a minor correction: ALL R&D is reasonably believed to be done before the first product is made. Then the mistakes are discovered, and Version 1.1 becomes the next project. Leg over leg the dog got to Dover.

Not sure?
How many different iron B/RB production heads have there been since 1958? Since the first one was perfect, what reason would justify the extra few million spent?

NO ONE gets it right the first time, every time.

That sounds like the first company I worked for right out of engineering school. We had a running joke that it wasn't a prototype, it was early PRODUCTION!

So, when can we expect you to ship the first batch of blocks?

Right. Because no product in history has ever been recalled over bad R&D.

So, that makes it all right, normal procedure now. Plenty where not recalled because it was done right to start with. If I made a block there would be no grand announcements until it was done.

I haven't seen a "grand announcement" yet, have you?
I merely posted that I had seen the block, and estimated configurations and prices. They have tested for porosity and core shift with good results SO FAR. Since several processes are involved, all need to be thoroughly tested. A Perfect design may be possible, but it is not the the only step in the process.
I hope it all goes well, but I don't think and announcement will be made until they have tested under fire.
Give them a break! Better yet design and produce one yourself. Competition would be good.

Heres the info i just got from the guys at muscle motors take it for what it is.........heres the response i got asking about there low deck block.

Yes its true. We will have a machined block next weekend at the Monster Mopar show @ Norwalk. We will also have them at the Mopar Nations in Columbus a few weeks after that. Yes we have a cross bolted, big bore 400 block available. 400 or 440 main sizing is available and well as big diameter cams. Priority main oiling and oil to the lifters is standard. We don't anticipate having inventory for about a year. Everything is built to order for right now. $1700 deposit gets your place in line. then 6-8 weeks we will be ready to deliver the block and the balance is due when it is ready to ship.

All block B, RB wedge, RB Hemi all start @$3800 and are small bore

Big bore
big cam
Big main in 400 block
cross bolt #5
Bushed lifter bores
Are all upgrades and will incur additional cost.

Cast and machined in the USA, steel billet caps and ARP main studs std.

I wish MM luck.

I read that as, they will be delivering pre-ordered blocks to those who sent in their $1700 deposit in about 6-8 weeks, and that they should have "inventory" available on the floor for sale in about a year.

Sounds great, a little clearer now since they're casting three blocks.

I don't have a horse in this race, and I have no recent experience with them, so just my 2¢?
Sounds like their engineering is on track (useful features, no fantasy).

It's their financial plan that makes me nervous. A business that size should have no problem floating their R&D costs from their bank. The loan interest is part of the overhead - everyone does it (the garment district uses nothing else for 100 years).
When they ask for that much money, they're telling you they can't pay their light bill. When it's still not done, 2 years from now, they'll ask you for another $1000 toward the new 2019 price of $5500. You already agreed to "no refund".
Trust me: the money isn't in escrow, and they will refuse any request for a financial statement ("where did the money go?"). It went to rent and salaries, like it always does.

...OR maybe because there could always be that someone who will order a block with custom work done to it and then back out of the deal because of whatever reason. And who gets stuck when that happens??
I don't blame MM at all for covering their @** by requesting a down payment.

I've done that before, pay me half and when the project is done, you'll get the product. Yea, right. I got screwed. No thanks, not again.

I wonder how many working prototypes they have in service that prove the reliability of the product. If paying customers are the defacto R&D team, that doesn't bode well for the early adopters.

Does anybody KNOW what they mean by "small bore" and "big bore"?

sounds like a block company I delt with in sothern California all over again...... what a mistake that was!!!!!

Maybe 4.320" and 4.5" bores . At least in the RB

Tex

It's good to hear somebody is trying to supply blocks, but......

A 300# iron block, with a 4.500 bore, a 55/60mm tunnel, all five cross-bolted and bushed lifter bores, will cost what.....somewhere around $5500 to $6000 BEFORE a lightening program???

Yikes. What's left of my bankbook clearly shows I have no problem spending money on this stuff, but that's in the vacinity of aluminum block money, only without the general repairability and a 150+ pound heavier car.

Let me be clear (who said that!).
I don't mean NO deposit - that's the only practical way to estimate production volume. The "I think I'd definitely maybe take one, if my Mom lets me" (responses to aluminum head for the slant 6) are completely worthless both as to intent and as a binder.

1. must have a non-refundable deposit, but with an escape clause like if no block in 1 year or price jump above $200 = 75% refund; after 2 years 100% refund; 50% deposit locks in the original price, etc. Make your own variables.
2. must be small enough to insure confidence in the seller ("you're not paying your rent with this, are you?").
3. must be large enough to insure confidence that the buyer won't walk away, like $500. That's just my guess - I've had people surprise me by walking away from $100. deposits

4. If just a reg block, no special work, deposit could be $500 ( number one above) but if extra special changes then a much larger deposit, if not total amount since it might be hard to sell to anouther buyer if original buyer backs out.
For me, I'll just wait till they're in stock or after feedbacks been out awhile.

X2, good point

I SINCERELY hope Muscle Motors can get this done successfully.

I have been needing a good block since 1993 and have followed all the players, all the delays, and all the problems with castings, machining, plant closings, new patterns etc.

I simply refuse to hand over good money to "take a chance" that I would receive a good block that is machined and cast correctly, and not be soaked into spending more money to make it usable.

I have been burned enough over the years with used junk that was sold as good, poorly made new parts, and machine shops that are clueless or simply go out of business.

I have family members that have worked in foundry's so I know it is a much more involved process than most understand, but there is no excuse for some of the problems people have reported over the years with there blocks.

I have saved for over 20 years to have a Hemi in my car and have every nut and bolt needed to do so (minus a good block).

Hopefully they can be the guys who get it done.

I'm just going to make a few of points here:
1. Fiat doesn't care that we have few options for a block
2. As mentioned, professional companies don't ask the public to pay before actually supplying the part
3. I can build a GM style race engine for 20% less than a Mopar style race engine, and it will make 150 more HP, and I can have a fresh new block in a few days
4. I don't have to carry a trailer full of parts and can order headers from Summit or Jegs
5. If you are just convinced you need a high HP Mopar engine for whatever reason, I have 2 good ones for sale, as others do.
I'm done waiting for Mopar to get their act together. If I could sell my 30 years of acquired Mopar race stuff for a reasonable price, I would never look back.

If I can't race a Mopar, then I'll quit racing and watching. It's called brand affiliation, reason I come to this site. After 50 years I ain't changing and I'll walk by a $500,000 Chevy to look at a $100 Valiant.

To bad someone wouldn't buy all the Koleno stuff and start casting them again, those looked pretty promising.
The Ritter blocks problems seemed to be from poor machining by a 3rd party

I bleed for Mother too.

That said, things do evolve over time and we have ALWAYS had to pay more than the other guy.

I'm thinkin' 3rd gen Hemi and turbo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sometimes?

Hate to say it but them 'other' guys got it made.

Yep, market share is in their favor

Well, that makes you a Mopar guy at heart, not a racer at heart and there is not a thing wrong with that. But racers RACE and do whatever needs to be done to make that happen.

As far as the comments about NOT putting up money before you get your "custom ordered" block........well, if you don't, you won't be getting a block from ANYBODY. I have ordered blocks from INDY, Brodix, Donovan and others. Just ONE slight variation from anything considered "standard" and you pay for the block up front. It's just how it is.

Just like the custom Donovan I have here. Oddball deck height, Wayne County bolt pattern, raised 60mm cam tunnel and custom lifter locations. What block company in their right mind would build an oddball monstrosity like that, without payment upfront. Any and I mean ANY variation from stock production is considered custom and you will be required to pay up front

Agree totally.

What will you do when all is left is old rusted blocks..
just like me... I'm running out of 340 blocks... my next
step is gen 3... unless you want to pay big money for a
aftermarket block at $5000

As far as the comments about NOT putting up money before you get your "custom ordered" block........well, if you don't, you won't be getting a block from ANYBODY. I have ordered blocks from INDY, Brodix, Donovan and others. Just ONE slight variation from anything considered "standard" and you pay for the block up front. It's just how it is.

Just like the custom Donovan I have here. Oddball deck height, Wayne County bolt pattern, raised 60mm cam tunnel and custom lifter locations. What block company in their right mind would build an oddball monstrosity like that, without payment upfront. Any and I mean ANY variation from stock production is considered custom and you will be required to pay up front [/quote]






Well Monte, I have never ordered an aftermarket block with all of the bells and whistles you are talking about here. But I have ordered a block with a raised cam location, and push rod oiling. There was no money up front until the block was ready to ship. And it did! And it came only needing the typical machine work expected.

I'm in the situation now that I'm so afraid to hurt my block because I wont be able to replace it, that every little thing has me gun shy.

I have never called a place like Sunset Racecraft or Sunset Engines, but as I said earlier, if I am able to sell my Mopar stuff, I will. And I would be willing to bet they charge you when it's ready to ship. I would just order one of their "off the shelf" models as you said, I just want to be able to race and know there are replacement parts.

So if one of you bleed Mopar guys wants an honest a 1100-1220 HP Mopar Predator deal, step up to the plate.

I stand corrected. Called Sunset today, and they want 1/2 up front.

After all that hot air and now you "stand corrected"?

I think you owe a couple of guys an apology. Yes, they're big boys and can take care of themselves, but.......

R.

At least I admit it. They would have you a complete engine in 1 month, and I was talking to him about a 674, 5" bore space deal, if you know what that means. But you should order a KB block. See how that works out for ya.

Sunset won't have you a 5" bore 674 in a month unless they have EVERY piece of it on the shelf and ready to assemble. Nobody can get parts right now. You find a crank it's pure luck. Usually at least a 3-4 month wait. Sunset will also be at the mercy of whoever they get castings from, just like the rest of us. Our new 5" 762 is going on 7 months now and still not done

Just ask yourself a few simple questions,how many pattern designers, mold makers and foundrys are commited to building mopar blocks that have a retail demand of less than a 1000 units per year and even less in a 5 year projection.Many attempts by suppliers to aquire blocks are at the mercy of the foundrys for the raw castings and producers that have the programs and machine capabilities to produce the finished product.Many attempts of retail suppliers to get these blocks in their hands have resulted in some less than quality pieces.
We have talked with some noted people that have claimed they can provide quality finished blocks at reasonable pricing and in a reasonabale time frame.We were looking to purchase a minimum of 6 blocks.This effort has be unfulfilled for more than 3 years and waiting with one story and excuse after another.
We have been and still deal with Indy for aluminium blocks and have gone from a 2 to 3 week delivery to 8 to 10 weeks but at least we get them.We are still waiting for calls from the others.Good luck.

Anyone try getting one through Bill Mitchell in the last few months?
Their website says something about having them available after Feb of this year.

Monte,
I'm just telling you what the guy said. I would bet it would be sooner than I could get a mopar wedge block though. It doesn't matter anyway right now, because my inventory of Mopar heads is worthless without a block, and it doesn't look too promising for selling my Predator engines. I'm stuck with what I have, 2 complete engines and a B1/MC head package. Lovely.

I wasnt able to make it to Norwalk over the weekend and I'm curious if anyone may have gotten any more info about the new blocks from the guys at MM. Or if anyone got any pics of the new blocks can you post them up.
Thanks Aaron

IMO, with regards to the deposit and how much it should be, is it should vary with how much of an "oddball" piece you require.
One of the purposes of the deposit should be holding your place "in line".
If you want what is likely going to be one of the more popular configurations(std cam bearings, a fairly normal bore size, std lifter bore spacing and angle), then the deposit should be pretty nominal....... Like $500.
On the other hand, if you want something totally off the wall, then it would seem reasonable to have to pretty much pay most or all of it up front. However.... In that scenario, I would still like to see the $500 deposit in place, to hold your place in line. Then when it came time for your particular block to go through the machining operations that separated it from the "normal" stuff, then you have to pay the balance before those operations take place.

Mr Sciortino.....can you tell me who this quote is by..."I'm a BUYER of parts and 'whine" because I'm sick of idiots complaining about the cost of the few parts that become available"........

What ?? It's been beatin' into our heads that every other brand has all the best parts available at the drop of a hat......and it's just because Mopar guys are so cheap that there are no parts available

A 5" bore space Chevy isn't something you'd use in an apples to apples comparison. A 555 BBC built from shelf parts yes.

Furthermore, facts are facts, look at the parts available for GM and Ford, far greater than what's available for Mopar. I'll leave you to contemplate as to why that is

Allow me to reply, since I may not have been clear.......

I am thrilled another block option is being made available and I hope it's a successful endeavor, with Muscle Motors selling trillions of copies.

The only issue I commented on, is the close proximity in price to an already available block option. One that has 2 major benefits. One, being weight and the 2nd being repairability. If the MM iron piece was the only game in town, I'd have no problem forking over the required amount. The problem is, it's not the only game in town and the other 'game', the INDY MAXX has a similar price-point, depending on options, along with the aforementioned advantages.

Nowhere did I say I wouldn't purchase this product due to the cost factor. I simply stated the possible economic disadvantage of a bottom line so close to an already existing product.....minus the inherent positives of the already existing product.

If I were in the market for a block to build a wedge, or HEMI and my only choice was a 300# iron piece in the 6K range optioned to my needs, I'd spring just like I've sprung countless times before. Fortunately for buyers and perhaps unfortunately for MM......there is another choice and IF KB gets their act together, there will be yet another choice.

This may not bode well for MM and that pains me, since I'm always rooting for people who would bring quality parts to market for MOPAR types.

There's also the Bill Mitchell aluminum blocks.

Bill Mitchell is having issues with his Foundry and machining in Canada as well.

As for cranks I just toured a large billet manufacturer who said 7 weeks from order to delivery. They are that busy..

They have plenty lined up and everyone is busy working


These are all 5.0 and 5.3 stuff, one of a few pallets of them

Man, that's a lot of cranks. (without starting a pissing match) are they American made? Feel free not to answer.

I lived on Long Island and worked in Ronkonkoma before moving to NC. Never got the opportunity to run down to Bill Mitchell. For that matter, never went over to Kooks either. They were located in Dix Hills. Don't know if Jack Merkell is still around. I had Lee at Lab Machine do all of my work. Real smart guy. Great at thinking out of the box.

Just from reading the usual internet back and forth, I was under the impression the INDY MAXX is currently the one block that can be had in multiple configurations in a reasonable time frame and in useable condition when purchasing from one of the reputable dealers for INDY's products.

I didn't realize Mitchell has blocks at the ready.

I worked for Lee back in the mid 70s, Mitchel used to operate out of his garage in West Islip a few blocks away from me, I could hear him doing dyno pulls from my driveway.

Very much American made. All done in house, as in 100% in house manufafturing done in Denver Colorado. Winberg Cranks, just one of many V Gaines Companies. One building housing GRP, Gibtek Pistons and Winberg Crankshaft.

Oh yeah just FYI he aint done, just might be done with a certain brand....

Bryant is in the same boat............call them and you should expect a 3 month answer on time frame and feel lucky if you actually get it within that time.

We are building a new 5.0 motor right now. The size we chose was STRICTLY based on the crank we could get in a reasonable time frame. We found one in process for another guy who had changed his mind and we took what we could get. They machined it and set it aside until we got an approx. bobweight. After we gave them a weight, was a month before they could get to THAT

A bit off topic for sure but one more pic you guys might enjoy. This was a crank made for a cup team based off of some European engineering suggestions. Needless to say it did not work at all. But an interesting piece none the less. They call is a dognut crank for obvious reasons.

Winberg makes the nicest cranks I've seen. They are not cheep but you only have to buy them once.
Good to here V might be getting back in the game.
I have a feeling that most teams will be running Chevy power by the end of next year. Mopar shot themselves in the foot on the Pro Stock deal.

Looks crazy and this is how we learn what works and what doesn't...........

MM brought this unfinished casting to MoPar Nationals. And it's a LOW DECK block... been waiting for one of these.
The "MM" logo is above the oil pump location

Nice looking block ..

I sure hope MM blocks don't have all the problems that RItters block have had 3k for a block then another 3-5 k for machine work

Looks like low deck hemi with wedge motor mounts.

was told that they can be machined for Hemi, or Wedge style mounts

Looks like a real nice casting from what the pics show. I wish them well. Nice to have the options they are offering.

Scanned the flyer, which states that the blocks are available.

Wow

Tex

Cant see that this block is approved by NHRA in the approved guide.

Wonder how much does it weigh??