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Re: Fitech EFI
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06/30/16 11:03 AM
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Call me skeptical. As a firefighter I am a trained pessimist anyway. Seems to me that the weak point of the old Lean Burn system was having the electronics controlling everything on the air cleaner atop the engine. The heat and vibration combined for an unreliable system. I think I will wait and see how they do in the long run before biting. That same thing also keeps me from the Holley Sniper as well. Add to that, the lack of user repair means either having a spare or possibly getting stranded.
BTW, for those who were wondering, EFI-4 and the Sniper do offer spark control and as far as I can tell will interface with an MSD 6 if you want capacitive discharge as well.
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: Beep Beep]
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06/30/16 11:16 AM
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I am running the Go-EFI-8 with timing control, using a locked out MP electronic dizzy, and an old MSD 6AL.
No problems so far. Although the FITech only has 3x3 tables for spark, and 3 of those are defined in boost, so useless for NA guys.
I am only able to get 9mpg on my 493 so far...need to improve that a bit still
Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: Beep Beep]
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06/30/16 11:32 AM
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Stanton
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Just curious if the timing control is worth spending the extra funds. What do you mean by this, its standard on all their units, not an option. Besides, FiTech's units are the least expense efi units on the market. Is there anywhere that explains how the timing control works and what it does ??
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: Stanton]
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06/30/16 11:49 AM
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Is there anywhere that explains how the timing control works and what it does ??
Not sure I understand the question... The mag pickup in the distributor sends signal to the FITech, the FITech then sends your desired timing signal to the MSD via the "points" wire, just as if you were running an external retard box, MSD fires coil, coil goes through cap to spark plug In the FITech, you can identify spark timing with respect to engine speed and manifold pressure. If you have a programmable box now, or an electronic box with dialed in mechanical and vacuum advance , there is no benefit.
Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
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66 Belv. II - just a streetcar
88 Mustang - turbo LS beater
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: Beep Beep]
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06/30/16 02:04 PM
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Stanton
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Seems to me that the weak point of the old Lean Burn system was having the electronics controlling everything on the air cleaner atop the engine. The heat and vibration combined for an unreliable system. Well ... That was the technology of the time - multiple components on a large circuit board with loads of soldered connections and virtually no heat sinking. There have been significant advances since then and I suspect everything is on a single chip the size of a fingernail. The whole throttle body would act as a heat sink - the airflow through it carrying the heat away from the ECU. This is probably more effective than mounting the ECU on the firewall or inner fender.
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: Beep Beep]
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06/30/16 02:12 PM
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They do make a mean street efi with no timing control. I also could not find any instruction on the timing control.
I currently have an Msd billet dizzy with no vac advance, and a msd 6al box.
Mean street is $1100 and the Efi8 is $1500. I was under the impression that the EFI8 was only for blown or turbo motors but I see that it's not. Actually, I like the idea of the dual fan control mor than the timing control !!
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Re: Fitech EFI
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06/30/16 02:58 PM
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Outlawd how much power are you making?
How easy is it to program the timing control?
Currently ~550, more to come with N2O, and possibly boost later on. I got the bigger unit to allow flexibility to add more power, run E85, use it on a different engine...etc. There is a guy with a boosted SBC running in the 9's with it I think, he is currently investigating injectors to support more power. The main limit I see, especially for NA, is the ~860cfm rating of the throttle body Timing control is easy, just have to have an idea where you want you timing at idle, part throttle cruise, and WOT, then enter those values into the handheld unit
Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
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66 Belv. II - just a streetcar
88 Mustang - turbo LS beater
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: Stanton]
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06/30/16 03:17 PM
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Just curious if the timing control is worth spending the extra funds. What do you mean by this, its standard on all their units, not an option. The two base units don't have timing control.
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: Stanton]
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07/01/16 01:14 PM
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Well ...
That was the technology of the time - multiple components on a large circuit board with loads of soldered connections and virtually no heat sinking. There have been significant advances since then and I suspect everything is on a single chip the size of a fingernail. The whole throttle body would act as a heat sink - the airflow through it carrying the heat away from the ECU. This is probably more effective than mounting the ECU on the firewall or inner fender.
True but as you know, there are still ancillary components that are needed to run the chip. And even though they are all now surface mount components there still are wires and/or pins connecting things that are soldered. Crystals still control clocks and are vibration resistant but not vibration proof. I would not store my smart phone on top of an engine, just saying. My Megasquirt ECU sits in the passenger compartment with me. Craig
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda
Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: denfireguy]
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07/01/16 03:26 PM
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Can you spot the computer in this pic?  They've been there for years and it is extremely rare for us to see a failure.
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: Stanton]
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07/02/16 05:20 PM
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You can never convince a pessimist !!! LOL, in my job, pessimism is realism. I will watch with interest to see what the long term issues are with these. I hope there are none as they are quite affordable. Craig
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda
Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
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Re: Fitech EFI
[Re: feets]
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07/02/16 09:26 PM
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Can you spot the computer in this pic?
They've been there for years and it is extremely rare for us to see a failure. Are you equating FITech with Mercedes in engineering, testing, quality, manufacturing and support? If so, glad I don't own a Mercedes.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: Fitech EFI
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07/02/16 09:52 PM
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Can you spot the computer in this pic?
They've been there for years and it is extremely rare for us to see a failure. Are you equating FITech with Mercedes in engineering, testing, quality, manufacturing and support? If so, glad I don't own a Mercedes. Its so obvious when someone doesn't read any part of a post. feets is referring to the Lean Burn reference/comparison given..... " Seems to me that the weak point of the old Lean Burn system was having the electronics controlling everything on the air cleaner atop the engine. The heat and vibration combined for an unreliable system"
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Re: Fitech EFI
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07/03/16 04:48 AM
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I am going to try the EFI8. Thanks everyone for your input. Did they give you a delivery date? I ordered my EFI8 (FIF-30012) from Summit on 6/8/16, expected to arrive 7/15/16?
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Re: Fitech EFI
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07/03/16 04:58 AM
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Can you spot the computer in this pic?
They've been there for years and it is extremely rare for us to see a failure. Are you equating FITech with Mercedes in engineering, testing, quality, manufacturing and support? If so, glad I don't own a Mercedes. Its so obvious when someone doesn't read any part of a post. feets is referring to the Lean Burn reference/comparison given..... " Seems to me that the weak point of the old Lean Burn system was having the electronics controlling everything on the air cleaner atop the engine. The heat and vibration combined for an unreliable system" Ah no sparky. I read it. Yeah OEM quality stuff is light years ahead of where is started. HOWEVER, the thread, you know all those other posts you forgot, is about FiTech stuff. Who's program is not an OEM type setup. Nor has it got the resources of a Mercedes to test, evaluate, design, manufacture, repair, program, simulate or any of the myriad of things an OEM manufacturer goes thru to certify a system for road use. Till proven otherwise it's safer to consider any aftermarket system to be more akin to lean burn than today's stuff. Anyone ever run the Holley Projection analog system? I did, POS and Holley had more resources to develop an aftermarket EFI system than most, being that they were an OEM supplier.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
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Re: Fitech EFI
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07/03/16 05:19 AM
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Can you spot the computer in this pic?
They've been there for years and it is extremely rare for us to see a failure. Are you equating FITech with Mercedes in engineering, testing, quality, manufacturing and support? If so, glad I don't own a Mercedes. Its so obvious when someone doesn't read any part of a post. feets is referring to the Lean Burn reference/comparison given..... " Seems to me that the weak point of the old Lean Burn system was having the electronics controlling everything on the air cleaner atop the engine. The heat and vibration combined for an unreliable system" Ah no sparky. I read it. Yeah OEM quality stuff is light years ahead of where is started. HOWEVER, the thread, you know all those other posts you forgot, is about FiTech stuff. Who's program is not an OEM type setup. Nor has it got the resources of a Mercedes to test, evaluate, design, manufacture, repair, program, simulate or any of the myriad of things an OEM manufacturer goes thru to certify a system for road use. Till proven otherwise it's safer to consider any aftermarket system to be more akin to lean burn than today's stuff. Anyone ever run the Holley Projection analog system? I did, POS and Holley had more resources to develop an aftermarket EFI system than most, being that they were an OEM supplier. FiTech's main product line is to provides fuel injection setups to OEM's. They've worked on stuff varying from Ford, Volvo, and a myriad of other car manufacturers from all over the world. Some we haven't even heard of. The aftermarket setup is a secondary operation and is just something new they decided to venture into the past couple years. I've spoken to the CEO of the company and a couple of their employees as they're based in SoCal.
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Re: Fitech EFI
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07/03/16 10:14 AM
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[quote Till proven otherwise it's safer to consider any aftermarket system to be more akin to lean burn than today's stuff. Anyone ever run the Holley Projection analog system? I did, POS and Holley had more resources to develop an aftermarket EFI system than most, being that they were an OEM supplier. [/quote] i have one of those old holley systems laying in a box. i was thinking [and thats the REAL problem] some day i may just putz around and see if another controller some where out there may make this thing operational. 
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Re: Fitech EFI
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07/03/16 12:30 PM
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I ordered the Efi tank, and now I have to decided which in tank pump to use. From Tanks Inc. ?? I hope you've been keeping up on the posts about those. Seems everyone has had to do major mods to get any decent size pump into one. In my opinion the ONLY good thing about the Tanks Inc. tank is the baffles!
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