Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Quick google search here comes up with all of this rev-=n-nator Stump that oughta keep him occupied for awhile!
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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They don't do anything special that you can't achieve with an MSD for much less money. They always compare these things to old-as-dirt Mopar controllers vs actual modern competitors.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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You can get a Street Fire with a built-in rev limiter for $160 nowadays. It has slightly less spark energy than a 6AL but that is really not going to matter for most motors. The Rev-N-Nator alone is $210.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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My 2 cents: use a regular Mopar electronic dist/dial in the subsystems in order, initial/total/springs/vac can/get an HEI module/E coil/NGK or bosch plugs.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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My 2 cents: use a regular Mopar electronic dist/dial in the subsystems in order, initial/total/springs/vac can/get an HEI module/E coil/NGK or bosch plugs. I gutted a stock black ECU & mounted a MSD-83647 HEI module w/ rev limiter in it. Was like $100 iirc, works awesome. Also went with the blaster II coil & NGK plugs. No problems.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Was like $100 iirc, works awesome. cant beat that
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Don't ever use bosche plugs in anything, I have seen tons of bad ones out of the box, last week I fixed two dakotas with misfires after someone did a tune up, a 4.7 and a 5.2 both had new bosche plugs, regular and plat+4. A quick swap to NGK fixes em for good.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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My 2 cents: use a regular Mopar electronic dist/dial in the subsystems in order, initial/total/springs/vac can/get an HEI module/E coil/NGK or bosch plugs. I gutted a stock black ECU & mounted a MSD-83647 HEI module w/ rev limiter in it. Was like $100 iirc, works awesome. Also went with the blaster II coil & NGK plugs. No problems. How about a little more detail on this? The instructions call for installing the 83647 in a GM style HEI distributor. How do you use a Mopar style stock distributor? My Revenator is on it's way to R/T now due to a hi speed miss. So I am exploring my options. Thanks for any additional info!
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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My 2 cents: use a regular Mopar electronic dist/dial in the subsystems in order, initial/total/springs/vac can/get an HEI module/E coil/NGK or bosch plugs. I gutted a stock black ECU & mounted a MSD-83647 HEI module w/ rev limiter in it. Was like $100 iirc, works awesome. Also went with the blaster II coil & NGK plugs. No problems. How about a little more detail on this? The instructions call for installing the 83647 in a GM style HEI distributor. How do you use a Mopar style stock distributor? My Revenator is on it's way to R/T now due to a hi speed miss. So I am exploring my options. Thanks for any additional info! Google how to install GM HEI on Mopar.. tons of info. there's this too: http://designed2drive.com/
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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How about a little more detail on this? How do you use a Mopar style stock distributor? '75 & up HEI OE chebby black module (4 terminals). Or aftermarket one such as speedway motor dynamod but junkyard ones are cheap/reliable. the designed to drive piece to mount it looks nice but is very pricey, just cut a piece of 3/8 aluminum plate & shape it on your bench grinder (takes only minutes) & drill 2 holes to fit the two holes already in the bottom of the dist. Use some Radio Shack heat sink paste between HEI and plate. 12V to B terminal. coil neg to C terminal. W and G to dist pickup (I forget which is which on that but its in the archives). time it. EDIT to clarify, that 12V is to the coil positive primary
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Okay, I get it. I am shocked that this is the first I have heard of this conversion. I really like the idea of hiding the module in an old Mopar ECU housing and that the MSD unit has a rev-limiter.
For those of you that don't run a ballast with the GM style module, do you just tie the start and run circuits together?
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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I am shocked that this is the first I have heard of this conversion. I really like the idea of hiding the module in an old Mopar ECU housing and that the MSD unit has a rev-limiter.
For those of you that don't run a ballast with the GM style module, do you just tie the start and run circuits together? Yes it dont get much press for some reason (& it is a chebby piece so it needs to be hidden). last one I did with an accell super coil, the big yellow beast with no ballast & it was a killer setup. you are supposed to run a ballast but you have ALOT of leeway on what you can and cannot get by with. yes tie the brown/blue together
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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I am shocked that this is the first I have heard of this conversion. I really like the idea of hiding the module in an old Mopar ECU housing and that the MSD unit has a rev-limiter.
For those of you that don't run a ballast with the GM style module, do you just tie the start and run circuits together? Yes it dont get much press for some reason (& it is a chebby piece so it needs to be hidden). last one I did with an accell super coil, the big yellow beast with no ballast & it was a killer setup. you are supposed to run a ballast but you have ALOT of leeway on what you can and cannot get by with. yes tie the brown/blue together
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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The 4 pin GM HEI is designed to use 12 volts. No ballast resistor is required.
You could look it up.
One of the reasons that the GM HEI worked so well was that they used an E-core coil. The kind with the laminations on the outside. This let more of the energy get to the plugs.
I have posted about the E-core coil before. Price for a good one on Ebay is holding firm at about $12.00.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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For the ballast I cut out the coils and solder in solid copper wire. Keepin it stealthy.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Dog which one is it. I wrote it down when you posted it before but it is buried in my notes
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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I have the Rev-N-Nator on my street driven 70 Charger now for many years with no issues. I have seen none of the more horsepower or starts easier claims as they claim since my car always fires right up anyway but I do like the rev limiter feature just in case I ever over rev it.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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I agree as it is just a fancy on/off switch for the coil pri current on the neg side. However it must open when the pickup tells it to/no electronic delay (pulled timing issue on some exp the orange boxes) and be capable of handling however much current that is flowing in that coil pri circuit as some coils/no ballast setups will flow more than others
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Reading through the RevNNator website I found a couple of clues to the huge hp gain they tested. the largest hp gain was on a bigblock with total timing set at 32 degrees. That's six degrees retarded from normal best power advance for B/RBs, which is 38 degrees. So a faster acting switch will act like the spark is advanced two degrees, adding more advance to an engine that clearly needs it.
Wow good find! That is a pretty slick trick on their part, admittedly..
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Never seen a 40 horse gain from +2 timing increase. Unless it was on PowerBlock TV... LMFAO.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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They don't do anything special that you can't achieve with an MSD for much less money. They always compare these things to old-as-dirt Mopar controllers vs actual modern competitors. I like the MDS stuff too but I think the Rev-n-ator is more for guys that want to keep the stock look. I always ran MSD in my race cars, my current street car has a Pertronix IgnitorIII billet distributor, it is literally a 2-wire hookup plus a power wire, and has a built-in rev limiter. It works great but it required grinding alot off the Eddy RPM cylinder head to get it to fit.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Darth, The Rev-n-nator can add any where from a 10- 40 hp gain depending on your engine application. The hp gain is over any stock box including chrome, proves it everytime in the dyno challenges.
We never claimed to add 10-40 over msd, but we do average more hp and torque than an msd 6al What gaps are you running, and what brand plugs? Thanks.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Remember the Rev-n-nator is a speciality peice for the Mopar die hard guy and unlike Street fire, ours is made in the U.S.A. with much higher quality components.
And manufacturing in the U.S.A. does cost more.
But that being said we are still cheaper than many China made ignition systems out there such as msd when everything is said and done.
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Re: REV-N-NATOR
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Reading through the RevNNator website I found a couple of clues to the huge hp gain they tested. the largest hp gain was on a bigblock with total timing set at 32 degrees. That's six degrees retarded from normal best power advance for B/RBs, which is 38 degrees. So a faster acting switch will act like the spark is advanced two degrees, adding more advance to an engine that clearly needs it.
The E-core coil that is easiest to find was used on all TFI (Thick Film Ignition) fords. For example, my 89 Taurus had one, Mustangs of the same year. See this link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261647237128?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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R. But but but they dynoed it for proof. How dare you post that?
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