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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: HEMIFRED] #1805648
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Originally Posted By HEMIFRED
[quote] Also, I have decided to plumb an accumulator off the right front lower oil port just to the right of the timing cover. I will mount it to the engine plate and hopefully keep everything simple. I have fought oiling issues on my last two builds and do not want to take any chances with this one.




I might be wrong but I though that oil port was a suction port for use if you used a external oil pick up from the pan. Might want to check on that.


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Two more set backs this week.....My Milodon oil pan is back ordered, and I need to change valve springs.

I talked with Barton today about the cam break in with the tool steel lifters and the valve springs the heads came with and we have too much pressure at 230lbs closed. So it looks like I need to swap them out to a set of Comp springs to get to 150lbs or a little less.

The good news is the push rods showed up from BGR and they fit perfect and we checked piston clearances and everything else is a go!


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1811799
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Was lucky, we had a set of milder springs down at the shop....Right around 145lbs closed, and we pulled the big springs off and swapped the milder ones on....So now we should have everything matched up properly.

Heads and chambers and valves were all checked for clearances to the pistons, and we are a go for final assembly. Very happy we did that as a big thanks goes out to Ron yet again.

So we are getting close to getting it on the dyno now....First points race is next week, so we can't go that weekend, but soon hopefully.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #2073520
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So 2016 is here**********************************************

Ok....So I built that motor last year, and I wiped out a cam lobe at the end of the season. It was a solid mechical cam from Bullet and RBRE Tool Steel lifters.....Lesson we learned, remove the inner springs when doing cam break in. Low oil pressure at an idle probably wasn't helping.

So this gave me the opportunity to work on it this winter. Some internal upgrades were a re-line honing the mains. We had low oil pressure at idle after it was warm, and we found some excessive clearances. We had the caps dusted, and set clearances at .002-.0025"....Now we got oil pressure!

Next was the cam, I priced a mild cam similar to what I had, but in a roller....It would have been another $450...So I had an old cam holding a door closed laying around we looked up the numbers on. After a lot of discussions and back and forth, I decided to put the old cam in. It was notorious for eating push rods, but it was free, and was in the performance range I wanted. So in it went.


Now it says .738 lift, but recalculate that for the Indy roller rockers, and we are at .752 lift!

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #2073529
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From the cam delema, we went on with what to do about the block feeding high pressure oil to the accumulator. Needless to say we called a few folks, but were never able to make the accumulator work with the port we were using on the block. We gave up and blocked off the port, and I pulled the accumulator out of the car....Subtract another 20lbs.

Next up, was sealing every nook and cranny on the engine. Spent at least an hour with a tube of RTV making sure all the leak points were sealed.

Next, I am not sure I covered the oil pan delema. I had a Milidon on order, it never showed up. I ended up gutting my pan to clear the stroke. Scrapper and windage tray were cut out. I tweaked it some more this winter and added a scraper that we sandwiched in there instead of the welded one that was in there for a 4.15 stroke. We also found the swinging pickup sticking and fixed that as well.

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #2073533
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So we did get the motor all back in the car about two weeks ago, and the fuel system promptly ate both needle and seats in my 1250 carb after we had it running. Looks like some of the E10 guncked up the regulator and it really hit the carb with some fuel pressure. System had to be fully flushed out. Hopefully its all ok now.

Next delema was the new hood...I wanted a shaker for the last year or so back on the car, and finally pulled the trigger on one...Man my hinges are just all out of shape and just fought me tooth and nail. needless to say, its on the car now, and I like it. I had to remove about .375 off the intake to give me a little more clearance, but I got it all under there....Now off to paint.


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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #2074415
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Is the Shaker relatively "stock" height? How much room b/t the carb and the scoop? Looks REAL close!
Who made the hood for you?


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'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Is the Shaker relatively "stock" height? How much room b/t the carb and the scoop? Looks REAL close!
Who made the hood for you?


I wanted a taller than stock shaker, and they said this would be an inch taller, I do not have a stock one so I don't know if it is actually taller or not.

I will tell you, it was real close, and barely fit. I did not want to cut the intake down, but I wanted the hood on there more and it needed a little more clearance. Getting an air cleaner to fit looks to be a real problem.

I do want to seal it to the hood for racing eventually, not that I will need the extra hp due to lack of a full cage, but I can't help myself anymore. I don't fight the urge like I used to.

More pics soon I hope.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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It does look like it's gonna be a compromise w/ carb clearance, but yes...it looks good! I think you're gonna have to cut a lot of the manifold to fit an air cleaner.
Something like the pic below of Harry Schillings' cuda is what I had in mind. It's raised up around the scoop to give extra clearance. I'd love to know who made this hood for him.

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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Harry is a good friend of mine and we talked for about an hour on how he built his...I think the call to Canada cost me about $.4/min, so that was expensive. Maybe I will attempt one like his later. For now, this will work.

I took it on its maiden voyage to the local gas station....The cam seems mild in this motor which has really suprised me. Idles at 1000rpm and seems happy cruising along at 2800rpm....Stranded me at the gas station though....Looks like my nearly new Red top battery is toast. It would not re-start the car when I shut it off. I will take it in and have it tested tomorrow. Maybe switch to a Yellow top.

But the car drives nice and smooth and AFR was pretty good. Got to check timing again, do a valve lash hot and I need parts.

So on the list:

New battery
New rear tires
Paint hood
Adjustable tubular upper a-arms
Probably drivers 5 way belt

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #2075513
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Originally Posted By Dragula
From the cam delema, we went on with what to do about the block feeding high pressure oil to the accumulator. Needless to say we called a few folks, but were never able to make the accumulator work with the port we were using on the block. We gave up and blocked off the port, and I pulled the accumulator out of the car....Subtract another 20lbs.

Next up, was sealing every nook and cranny on the engine. Spent at least an hour with a tube of RTV making sure all the leak points were sealed.

Next, I am not sure I covered the oil pan delema. I had a Milidon on order, it never showed up. I ended up gutting my pan to clear the stroke. Scrapper and windage tray were cut out. I tweaked it some more this winter and added a scraper that we sandwiched in there instead of the welded one that was in there for a 4.15 stroke. We also found the swinging pickup sticking and fixed that as well.



I guess you found out you can't build pressure from a suction port. I would plumb in the accumulator off another port. Do you have a remote oil filter?


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Is that motor in the car on a motor plate ?


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Did Harry modify that hood himself? If not, do you know who made it for him?


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Harry has a body shop guy that is a friend of his,who built it for him. He originally had a Sox & Martin 6pk type scoop that they ran in the early beginnings of pro stock. The scoop is pretty slick. We both have pretty much the same motor, and he's always had 2mph over me,because his scoop cuts through the air and mine is parachute.

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Originally Posted By rowin4



I guess you found out you can't build pressure from a suction port. I would plumb in the accumulator off another port. Do you have a remote oil filter?


I was told, it was a pressure supply port, but we could not get pressure from it, so the assumption its a suction port could be inferred, I guess. I have no other current way to get an AN10 line to attach to the block right now, so the accumulator is on the shelf for now.

Originally Posted By JohnRR
Is that motor in the car on a motor plate ?


Yes its a full plate.

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Last edited by Dragula; 05/18/16 11:12 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Nice work Dragula....really interested to see how you go with the RB flat tappet.

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Originally Posted By OUTLAWSSAA
Harry has a body shop guy that is a friend of his,who built it for him. He originally had a Sox & Martin 6pk type scoop that they ran in the early beginnings of pro stock. The scoop is pretty slick. We both have pretty much the same motor, and he's always had 2mph over me,because his scoop cuts through the air and mine is parachute.

Thanks for the info! I'm surprised his is that much faster than yours. Both of you have nice and fast cars!


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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We'll, you know how that goes. He built the motor and does the freshening up on it. But your never going to get 100% of those speed secrets. LOL

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Originally Posted By Dragula
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I guess you found out you can't build pressure from a suction port. I would plumb in the accumulator off another port. Do you have a remote oil filter?


I was told, it was a pressure supply port, but we could not get pressure from it, so the assumption its a suction port could be inferred, I guess. I have no other current way to get an AN10 line to attach to the block right now, so the accumulator is on the shelf for now.

Does the Indy block have oil pressure ports on the rear like a stock block, that would be the place to plumb ... unless the ports are supplying oil to the heads ?


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