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Painting your block. #203791 01/25/09 11:23 AM 01/25/09 11:23 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy J joshking440 OP Lunch is on me!
joshking440 OP Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	So when I walk around the pits and check out other peoples cars, one thing that impress' me the most is a clean engine bay, well put together and thought out. No after thoughts, or sloppy hoses. In the center of this is a nice shiny orange hunk of steel... What have you guys found to be the best way to do this for appearance and durability. Is it a primer, or particular paint. With a fresh block from a machine shop, do you wipe it down with thinner or acetone??? I know the veterans will have the answer Thanks

Re: Painting your block. [Re: joshking440] #203792 01/25/09 01:54 PM 01/25/09 01:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	1) Jet wash and dry 2) Lacquer thinner and dry 3) DP type primer 4) Single stage Urethane..will look and last new forever with an easy to clean gloss. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #203793 01/25/09 02:28 PM 01/25/09 02:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 286 So. IL. USA PLUM BAD enthusiast
PLUM BAD enthusiast Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 286 So. IL. USA

Re: Painting your block. [Re: PLUM BAD] #203794 01/25/09 03:10 PM 01/25/09 03:10 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,475 SW Ohio C cgall top fuel
cgall top fuel C Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,475 SW Ohio	I like to paint everything individually, block, heads, oil pan, front cover, valve covers, water pump housing. It takes more time to mask everything off, but I like the look with bright fasteners. This is a race car, not for show.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: cgall] #203795 01/25/09 03:28 PM 01/25/09 03:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	I agree and typically do the same. I like to paint the blocks so when I am working on them dduring the build, it is much easier to clean ( which often times is 2 or 3 times)and you dont have to worry about flash rusting so much. I almost do everything in Urethane, so I'll prep the pieces then just paint them when the block is getting painted as well. I too like the looks of fresh fasteners. It takes a lot of time to do it this way, but the results are always excellent and my customers have come to know me for clean, nice looking engines as well. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #203796 01/25/09 04:26 PM 01/25/09 04:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	my block & heads are 2 pot baked enamel. was trying to hide the fact they were aluminium but the silver is obvious in places the painter masked off. mine is 4 seasons old & still looks like new. 4972598-Picture623.jpg (148 downloads)

Re: Painting your block. [Re: rebel] #203797 01/25/09 04:29 PM 01/25/09 04:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	another 4972608-Picture632.jpg (128 downloads)

Re: Painting your block. [Re: rebel] #203798 01/25/09 04:30 PM 01/25/09 04:30 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy J joshking440 OP Lunch is on me!
joshking440 OP Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	So does this mean I need a spray gone and or a very large oven... I assume the urethane is a spray gun only application The baked enamel it is in fact baked?

Re: Painting your block. [Re: joshking440] #203799 01/25/09 04:52 PM 01/25/09 04:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	Quote: So does this mean I need a spray gone and or a very large oven... I assume the urethane is a spray gun only application The baked enamel it is in fact baked? being an alloy block it was media blasted first, then put in a powerwash machine, then masked, heated & then sprayed like a car, then baked for 4 hours. it's a very hard surface. my local ceramic coating applicator did it for me for 2 trays of beer. it was a trial on a new product & we were both impressed with the result,

Re: Painting your block. [Re: rebel] #203800 01/25/09 05:17 PM 01/25/09 05:17 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy J joshking440 OP Lunch is on me!
joshking440 OP Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	Got ya. I picked up my short block completly assembled and would rather not take it back apart. I think I can mask it off and spray it with urethane...I hope Last edited by joshking440; 01/25/09 05:17 PM.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: joshking440] #203801 01/25/09 05:27 PM 01/25/09 05:27 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	honestly i get lots af spectators in the pit wanting to touch my block & heads, it looks sooo smooth & shiney. i don't think you'll have any probs painting the complete assy. just remember to run around with a razor blade on all your joints before it sets real hard. this will make it come apart easier without ruining your finish. 4972785-Picture1335.jpg (69 downloads) Last edited by rebel; 01/25/09 06:57 PM.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: rebel] #203802 01/25/09 07:44 PM 01/25/09 07:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,021 Tulsa OK Bad340fish master
Bad340fish master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,021 Tulsa OK	I never would have thought about running a razor blade around the joints, good info. I usually paint mine apart as I like the clean line look of the gaskets etc. However it would be easier to just spray the whole thing. 68 Barracuda Formula S 340

Re: Painting your block. [Re: joshking440] #203803 01/25/09 07:47 PM 01/25/09 07:47 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,477 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,477 Canada	LOL Let me terrify you all by saying the best engine paint I have found is Tremclad paint in a can, applied by a brush. It turns out smooth with no brush marks, takes tremendous amounts of heat before discoloring, and stays shiny, clean, and does not fade or peel. Easy to touch up too. CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Painting your block. [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #203804 01/25/09 08:14 PM 01/25/09 08:14 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,112 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,112 Bend,OR USA	I usually paint my motors after there assembled, mask as needed and buy several cans of Mopar engine paint or your favorite brand and color and I do make sure that all the oil is rinse off with a good brand of petroleum based cleaning solvent and then a quick rinse with laquer thinner and then use a face mask or resperator as some of the paints are not good for your lungs Be careful of sparks also Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Painting your block. [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #203805 01/25/09 08:15 PM 01/25/09 08:15 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,709 NJ central S Scamp408 master
Scamp408 master S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,709 NJ central	Motor out of machine shop on engine stand.Brk clean off assm oil residue,comp air dry,plasticoat engine primer,let dry ,mopar orange 2 to 3 coats .

Re: Painting your block. [Re: Scamp408] #203806 01/25/09 08:18 PM 01/25/09 08:18 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,395 Pa Hot 340 master
Hot 340 master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,395 Pa	Too bad it's difficult to recreate the factory sheen with it's thin coat semigloss look..any suggestions there?

Re: Painting your block. [Re: Hot 340] #203807 01/25/09 08:54 PM 01/25/09 08:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 395 campbell river B.C M mopartoby enthusiast
mopartoby enthusiast M Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 395 campbell river B.C	i clean everthing with brake parts cleaner. then mask everything indavidually, prime with plasticote engine primer, then at least 3 coats of what ever color engine enamel, then a couple coats of plasticoat clear engine enamel. all the motors i've done like this turn out really nice!! the clear keeps them looking wet.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: mopartoby] #203808 01/26/09 12:25 AM 01/26/09 12:25 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,496 Sask, Can. 7 72demon416 pro stock
72demon416 pro stock 7 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,496 Sask, Can.	I should probably start a new thread instead of hi-jacking this one but since it concerns the painting of engines I'm going to ask... How many people have powder coated their blocks, heads, intakes etc... instead of paint? I've painted my engine with single stage urethane numerous times and yes it looks really nice for the first year or two. That being said though after splashing some hot antifreeze on the paint it discolors and I've had a couple small spots peel where the a component wasn't obviously clean enough. I know paint can be touched up and I'm being anal here but it would seem like the powder coat option would give better longevity- or are there pitfalls?(other than cost)

Re: Painting your block. [Re: 72demon416] #203809 01/26/09 01:26 AM 01/26/09 01:26 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,112 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,112 Bend,OR USA	I had a aluminum intake and a set of cast aluminum rocker covers powder coated once back in the ealry 1990s, never again That darn powder coating is a great insulator, but it KEEPS the heat in instead of keeping the heat out. Heat rises so when it is hot in the motor and aluminum coducts heat very well and then the powder coating keeps the aluminum sealed up the parts get so hot you can't harddly touch them Last edited by Cab_Burge; 01/26/09 03:12 AM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Painting your block. [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #203810 01/26/09 01:42 AM 01/26/09 01:42 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 775 Eastern WA P ProStock1320 super stock
ProStock1320 super stock P Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 775 Eastern WA	Quote: LOL Let me terrify you all by saying the best engine paint I have found is Tremclad paint in a can, applied by a brush. It turns out smooth with no brush marks, takes tremendous amounts of heat before discoloring, and stays shiny, clean, and does not fade or peel. Easy to touch up too. OK, I'll ask an obvious question - how close is the Tremclad color to factory? I've seen some well intentioned companies that use the factory name but aren't even close. Is there a company that produces a dead-on product?

Re: Painting your block. [Re: ProStock1320] #203811 01/26/09 02:04 AM 01/26/09 02:04 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,477 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,477 Canada	Quote: Quote: LOL Let me terrify you all by saying the best engine paint I have found is Tremclad paint in a can, applied by a brush. It turns out smooth with no brush marks, takes tremendous amounts of heat before discoloring, and stays shiny, clean, and does not fade or peel. Easy to touch up too. OK, I'll ask an obvious question - how close is the Tremclad color to factory? I've seen some well intentioned companies that use the factory name but aren't even close. Is there a company that produces a dead-on product? Which color are you looking for? I can't stand orange engines (no real reason why) and most of my engines I end up painting red. I went with a strange color for my Coupe's engine, but many colors are available. I've seen paint that was "guaranteed correct" look nothing like the original color.... I am assuming one person will think a certain color looks exact while another person might think the same paint isn't close... CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: Painting your block. [Re: Cab_Burge] #203812 01/26/09 02:09 AM 01/26/09 02:09 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,496 Sask, Can. 7 72demon416 pro stock
72demon416 pro stock 7 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,496 Sask, Can.	Thanks cab good to know- I'll maybe just stay away from the powder idea.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #203813 01/26/09 02:34 AM 01/26/09 02:34 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 775 Eastern WA P ProStock1320 super stock
ProStock1320 super stock P Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 775 Eastern WA	Quote: Which color are you looking for? I can't stand orange engines (no real reason why) and most of my engines I end up painting red. I went with a strange color for my Coupe's engine, but many colors are available. I've seen paint that was "guaranteed correct" look nothing like the original color.... I am assuming one person will think a certain color looks exact while another person might think the same paint isn't close... I'm not thinking about a specific color for myself - but yes, the orange(s) is/are the one(s) that gets the most scrutiny. Isn't there a universal paint standard? I'm with you, I've seen many different shades of "correct" orange at the region's All Mopar Show.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: ProStock1320] #203814 01/26/09 03:47 AM 01/26/09 03:47 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	what are you using for your reference to correct factory 'street hemi orange'? when i chose the 2 pak'n bake on my Indy gear my only references were some Mopar Action & Muscle mags & even those were different shades. i took 3 mags & a chevy orange oil filler cap & chose a color that wouldn't be confused with the chevy orange & was close to the varying shades in the magazine. even when i was in my early days of moparism i learn not to buy the expensive MP paint as they vary from batch to batch. i just picked a color thats close-ish & paid the man. how else can you do it? 4974164-Picture1330.jpg (77 downloads) Last edited by rebel; 01/26/09 03:49 AM.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: rebel] #203815 01/27/09 10:54 PM 01/27/09 10:54 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 159 Philadelphia,PA M MoparJim member
MoparJim member M Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 159 Philadelphia,PA	What do you guy's feel is the best rattle can engine paint? I've used Plasticote and DupliColor with good results.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: MoparJim] #203816 01/28/09 02:14 AM 01/28/09 02:14 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa rebel master
rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	i've used duplicolor a few times, it has good pigment so you get good coverage & it doesn't discolor quickly around exhaust ports. it's much better than original MP paint.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: rebel] #203817 01/28/09 03:55 AM 01/28/09 03:55 AM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI P prochargedhemi super stock
prochargedhemi super stock P Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 951 Temperance, MI	Ive always stuck with tried and true MP paints. (always look for 2-3 cans with the same batch number) Prep: pretty much like everyone else 1. go over with a clean paint brush and some paint thinner. 2. put some alcohol (painting type) in a small spray bottle and hose as much as you possibly can on. 3. spray with low psi air nozzle to get access off 4. after the fumes disperse go over with a heat gun to remove any condensation that may be left 5. paint, i usually start off with a few VERY thin coats to get a good base, let it dry and put on about 1-2 more thick coats depending on coverage END RESULT: dads buddies always comment on how nice the paint always stays and says it has to be sprayed out of a gun

Re: Painting your block. [Re: prochargedhemi] #203818 01/28/09 01:08 PM 01/28/09 01:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan	Quote: Too bad it's difficult to recreate the factory sheen with it's thin coat semigloss look..any suggestions there? Last time I used a cheap HVLP gun with the air pressure turned quite a bit higher than recommended, holding the gun quite a bit further away than recommended. It made more overspray but it worked. I practiced on a piece of cardboard for awhile to get the slightly dull appearance. It can be done, but hvlp guns aren't supposed to be used that way. Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Painting your block. [Re: rebel] #203819 01/28/09 01:22 PM 01/28/09 01:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	With my demon engine, I went a different rout with the paint. I had the local body shop mix me up some rattle cans of 1971 hemi orang. It has the flake in it and everything. I have gotten LOTS of compliments on it, and they added some temp curing adder to the paint, as well as some flex agent. I ahve only gotten 1 negative coment saying it looks like chevy orange. Its bright and I like it, its holding up really well too. Kasey

Re: Painting your block. [Re: Moparnut426] #203820 01/28/09 06:25 PM 01/28/09 06:25 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 767 NW PA V10nacuda super stock
V10nacuda super stock Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 767 NW PA	One thing I have done is use a DUPLICOLOR Chebby orange as a base cote to get a base color & then finish with a MOPAR orange. The chebby stuff was cheap at a discount store.... $.99 can. The mopar stuff is pricey. sometimes cheap works!!!!!!!! Quite a few years on the cuda motor with minimal fading & flaking.

Re: Painting your block. [Re: ZIPPY] #203821 01/28/09 09:11 PM 01/28/09 09:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,395 Pa Hot 340 master
Hot 340 master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,395 Pa	Quote: Quote: Too bad it's difficult to recreate the factory sheen with it's thin coat semigloss look..any suggestions there? Last time I used a cheap HVLP gun with the air pressure turned quite a bit higher than recommended, holding the gun quite a bit further away than recommended. It made more overspray but it worked. I practiced on a piece of cardboard for awhile to get the slightly dull appearance. It can be done, but hvlp guns aren't supposed to be used that way. Great idea..thanks Zippy..

Re: Painting your block. [Re: Hot 340] #203822 01/28/09 11:34 PM 01/28/09 11:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,619 Norwich CT USA Defbob master
Defbob master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,619 Norwich CT USA	2002 Pearl Sunburst Orange metallic 4 coats DTM Primer 4 coats Acrylic Urethane Base 2 coats Acrylic Urethane Clear w/ Gold pearl 2 coats Acrylic Urethane Cleat w/ Ice pearl 4981958-Blockpainted-2.JPG (336 downloads)

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