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#2302784 - 05/11/17 09:27 AM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: tboomer]
OUTLAWD Offline
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Question about progressive controllers...

I realize that I should probably pull timing out to manage traction after the hit, but this is just a simple street car with a small plate kit. I am running radials, and track prep is not the greatest, when I have it come on right away, it would spin for 30 ft or so. I have a NOS mini progressive on the car, would it be worth it to try to delay, or progress the hit? The track is normally packed, I'm lucky to get 2-3 passes in, so I'd like to get an idea of where I should start, then I can dial it in from there.

I should probably upgrade the rancho shocks on the back, but I'd like to work with what I have for now. I think I might also go back to slicks just because of the quality of track prep here...
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#2302880 - 05/11/17 01:16 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: tboomer]
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I had a friend that was running deep 9s in the 80s that would tune his hit with different length hoses between the plate and solenoids. Looked kinda goofy with a coiled up hose, but he would always get that car down the track. He had several hose sets that were staggered to sharpen, or soften the hit.
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#2302934 - 05/11/17 03:18 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: tboomer]
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hmm, can't get much simpler than that...

I did do that on another car actually, part by design, part by accident. The N2O noid was under the dash, then I had a ~2' line running through the firewall, same pill in that car hit much softer.
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#2302942 - 05/11/17 03:38 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: OUTLAWD]
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Originally Posted By OUTLAWD
Question about progressive controllers...

I realize that I should probably pull timing out to manage traction after the hit, but this is just a simple street car with a small plate kit. I am running radials, and track prep is not the greatest, when I have it come on right away, it would spin for 30 ft or so. I have a NOS mini progressive on the car, would it be worth it to try to delay, or progress the hit? The track is normally packed, I'm lucky to get 2-3 passes in, so I'd like to get an idea of where I should start, then I can dial it in from there.

I should probably upgrade the rancho shocks on the back, but I'd like to work with what I have for now. I think I might also go back to slicks just because of the quality of track prep here...




What type ignition box do you have? If MSD programmable use launch retard or gear retard. If you decide to use a progressive I suggest the Leash progressive, simple to wire and use.
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#2303137 - 05/11/17 10:14 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: Plumb Wired]
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This is the one I bought but I have LOTS to learn.






I should have the heads on this weekend and hopefully ready to start making some hits real soon.




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#2304342 - 05/14/17 01:00 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: n20mstr]
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Originally Posted By n20mstr
Originally Posted By challenger451ci
That's makin time! I'm hoping for .50's this year with my barge. I think it's gonna need a little more jet depending how early I can get it all in.


Here is a Monte trick, hit it as hard as you can for the first two tenths, then pull your launch timing out. Monte said, everything dead hooks for two tenths...


I've been thinking about this a bit...He was talking about timing that you'd pull in addition to what you pull for the nitrous(step retard), right? The car does fall on it's face if the initial progressive is set too low on the off chance I'm trying to get it down bare asphalt. Probably because I'm pulling all the timing at the hit, then ramping any launch retard back in over time. It's a balance between hitting the tires hard enough and keeping it planted, especially on an untreated surface.

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#2304373 - 05/14/17 01:41 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: tboomer]
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I started doing the tip that Monte told Tony and then Tony told me. RESULTS!! it works great and is way faster than just a basic ramp

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#2304481 - 05/14/17 06:01 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: tboomer]
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A tire needs to be hit and held there to work, especially a radial or a slick on a marginal surface. Hit it hard and hold the tire down with the shock. So....hit it hard but what works well is to hit if for a tenth or two, then pull your launch retard and ramp it in. This helps hit the tire, keeping it there is the job of your shock. To go "fast" you need a good double adj shock. Tight compression keeps the tire planted. What also helps a lot is keeping the front suspension off the limiter. That's either a lot of travel or a tight shock ext setting or a combination of both.
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#2304563 - 05/14/17 08:43 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: n20mstr]
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Good info! Thanks for the help! I finally broke down and bought a set of Viking DA's all around. Can't wait to get them on the car and start playing around. I really only got one hit on the new motor last year so this is going to be a learning curve for me.

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#2318961 - 06/10/17 12:33 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: tboomer]
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I looked at the Vikings, as I feel I need more control in the rear, and to slow the front down, but that will have to be next years upgrade.


Edited by OUTLAWD (06/13/17 05:55 PM)
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#2322499 - 06/17/17 01:44 AM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: OUTLAWD]
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Excited to be un-boxing my newly acquired power adder.
78/75 Billet .96ar T4 turbo.




Edited by prochargedmopar (06/17/17 01:44 AM)
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#2326303 - 06/25/17 01:17 AM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: tboomer]
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Wish you were here Monte. I could really use your help


Edited by FastmOp (06/25/17 02:42 AM)

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#2330317 - 07/02/17 05:33 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: FastmOp]
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Which procharger for a 383 or 400 stroker at around 500 cubes on pump gas?

I am thinking F1R, but want to here from you guys..
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#2334680 - 07/10/17 11:36 AM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: Dragula]
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Originally Posted By Dragula
Which procharger for a 383 or 400 stroker at around 500 cubes on pump gas?

I am thinking F1R, but want to here from you guys..


http://www.hotrod.com/articles/mopp-0604-440-mopar-engine-build/

Me Thinks F1R...

As BigTime
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#2335120 - 07/10/17 11:23 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: tboomer]
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Does Tony Russo still post here or did the purple people run him off??

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#2335653 - 07/11/17 10:26 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: SpareParts]
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Originally Posted By SpareParts
Does Tony Russo still post here or did the purple people run him off??


Lmao !

Occasionally lurking between the constant bolt turning
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#2337534 - 07/15/17 05:45 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: n20mstr]
SpareParts Offline
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Originally Posted By n20mstr
Originally Posted By SpareParts
Does Tony Russo still post here or did the purple people run him off??


Lmao !

Occasionally lurking between the constant bolt turning


Hey bud!! Hope all is going well. Battling a nitrous shortage here. And messed up some stuff on a big wheelie but it's running good

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#2337602 - 07/15/17 08:57 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: SpareParts]
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Ran a 5.40 @ 138.96 on 4 cyl

I'm getting good at cyl head R&I
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#2338844 - 07/17/17 11:52 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: n20mstr]
SpareParts Offline
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Originally Posted By n20mstr
Ran a 5.40 @ 138.96 on 4 cyl

I'm getting good at cyl head R&I

How did you go about this discovery? That's still fast as hell

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#2340686 - 07/20/17 09:54 PM Re: Moparts official power adder thread [Re: SpareParts]
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Originally Posted By SpareParts
Originally Posted By n20mstr
Ran a 5.40 @ 138.96 on 4 cyl

I'm getting good at cyl head R&I

How did you go about this discovery? That's still fast as hell


Ok, just one nipped piston, and some other issues. Changed the carb and it's real fat. Wire for my rpm switch for electric shifter fell out of the msd tach conn/output, banged the limiter. Got all the parts and ready to start reassembling tomorrow . Hope to make a decent showing at monster Mopar next week.
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