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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: JohnRR]
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Generating higher pressure and running unneeded oil thru the bypass actually generates more heat.
HV... Higher VOLUME... Not pressure... But if one does nothing to increase the flow a hi volume pump does nothing but cycle the excess volume thru the return ... creating heat ... and RAISES the pressure ... because pressure is a restriction to flow ... I run a STOCK pump on my 505" stroker with a 7qt pan. 75 psi at cold idle, 50 psi hot going down the road and never dips below 25 psi warm. All a high volume pump is good for is sucking the pan dry and robbing horsepower! In fact, the composite gear from Crane that I used with my billet roller cam says NOT to run a high volume pump!
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: Adam71Charger]
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Bad news though, I removed more bearings and inspected closer. My bearings and crank journals have scratches and a nicks. Gotta take the crank to a local grinder. It may be a bad hit to your budget but 2 years from now it may pay dividends.
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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: Adam71Charger]
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03/02/16 01:32 AM
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You will probably find that a package deal is your best (cheapest) way to go. Years ago I worked at a NAPA store where we occasionally sold a crank kit that was a turned crank with matched rod & main bearings. I am sure that deal is still around at the major stores.
I just tore down a 360 that I intend to build for my daily driver. It had been built before and it's crank has been turned .010 on the mains and still looks good and will polish out. I have not pushed the pistons out yet, they are .040 over so I don't know how much the rod journals have been cut, but I am very hopeful. I bought the core for $100.00 and it came with a truck pan that I need. I will be keeping track of what I spend.
1986 Dodge Ramcharger 440 2wd, Bracket Racer Under Construction
1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
2008 Honda Element
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: elmor353]
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03/02/16 05:03 AM
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when you rent the ridge reamer keep it flat against the bore & pull the cutter around with a box wrench as opposed to pushing it (the cutter) ahead of you. Stop often & feel for the amt of ridge left. it will generally not cut even (close tho) so discipline your self to stop when the lowest part of the ridge (least amt of ridge left) is just a hair above flush as you dont want to gouge below. EDIT As you are working around the cyl in a circle change/shift your position often so you are always (pretty much) pulling in a straight line toward you. Gets tough in some of the clocking positions on some of the cyls especially but that is an opportunity to discipline yourself/be a professional. In the car you'd wanna take the hood off but you are ahead of an "over the fender" overhaul cuz the block is already out
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: elmor353]
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03/02/16 10:23 AM
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A little tip from an engine builder I worked for: after honing and cleaning your block, grab a roll of paper towels and a quart of transmission fluid. Then wipe down each cylinder with trans fluid and keep wiping with clean paper towels till no more dirt shows on the towel. A lot of people wash the bores with hot soapy water, dry them out and call it good. There is ALWAYS left over metal in the bores from honing. This way you know your bores are clean when you assemble your engine. It's a good tip but not a secret.. I've been using that techneque since the peanut man was in the Whitehouse.
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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03/02/16 11:39 AM
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A hv pump is a crutch for a trashed, ragged out engine. Thinking new bearings go hand in hand with one is wrong.
I would agree with you if he was having the crank ground or at least inspected. The journal wears with the bearing, and that says nothing about his cam bearings. He could put it together with the stock pump and see how his oil pressure goes or he could go straight to a hv pump.
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: RapidRobert]
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03/02/16 02:38 PM
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when you rent the ridge reamer keep it flat against the bore & pull the cutter around with a box wrench as opposed to pushing it (the cutter) ahead of you. Stop often & feel for the amt of ridge left. it will generally not cut even (close tho) so discipline your self to stop when the lowest part of the ridge (least amt of ridge left) is just a hair above flush as you dont want to gouge below. EDIT As you are working around the cyl in a circle change/shift your position often so you are always (pretty much) pulling in a straight line toward you. Gets tough in some of the clocking positions on some of the cyls especially but that is an opportunity to discipline yourself/be a professional. In the car you'd wanna take the hood off but you are ahead of an "over the fender" overhaul cuz the block is already out You are too late with this advice, he already took the bore buster to the block ...
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/02/16 03:37 PM
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when you rent the ridge reamer keep it flat against the bore & pull the cutter around with a box wrench as opposed to pushing it (the cutter) ahead of you. Stop often & feel for the amt of ridge left. it will generally not cut even (close tho) so discipline your self to stop when the lowest part of the ridge (least amt of ridge left) is just a hair above flush as you dont want to gouge below. EDIT As you are working around the cyl in a circle change/shift your position often so you are always (pretty much) pulling in a straight line toward you. Gets tough in some of the clocking positions on some of the cyls especially but that is an opportunity to discipline yourself/be a professional. In the car you'd wanna take the hood off but you are ahead of an "over the fender" overhaul cuz the block is already out You are too late with this advice, he already took the bore buster to the block ... darn it........ the things we could add to this topic. No wonder the popo couldn't be out ran. 440 and busted
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: 52savoy]
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03/02/16 06:19 PM
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when you rent the ridge reamer keep it flat against the bore & pull the cutter around with a box wrench as opposed to pushing it (the cutter) ahead of you. Stop often & feel for the amt of ridge left. it will generally not cut even (close tho) so discipline your self to stop when the lowest part of the ridge (least amt of ridge left) is just a hair above flush as you dont want to gouge below. EDIT As you are working around the cyl in a circle change/shift your position often so you are always (pretty much) pulling in a straight line toward you. Gets tough in some of the clocking positions on some of the cyls especially but that is an opportunity to discipline yourself/be a professional. In the car you'd wanna take the hood off but you are ahead of an "over the fender" overhaul cuz the block is already out You are too late with this advice, he already took the bore buster to the block ... darn it........ the things we could add to this topic. No wonder the popo couldn't be out ran. 440 and busted Ok you guys got me worried now, does it look like I reamed to much of the cylinder?
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: Adam71Charger]
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03/02/16 08:25 PM
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Elmor that is an excellent reminder on using tranny fluid & yes it does work well. Savoy that is 2 posts in a row from yoou which added nothing (constructive) to the thread & what is (the popo couldn't be outran) that you added to my quote?
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: Adam71Charger]
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03/02/16 08:32 PM
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when you rent the ridge reamer keep it flat against the bore & pull the cutter around with a box wrench as opposed to pushing it (the cutter) ahead of you. Stop often & feel for the amt of ridge left. it will generally not cut even (close tho) so discipline your self to stop when the lowest part of the ridge (least amt of ridge left) is just a hair above flush as you dont want to gouge below. EDIT As you are working around the cyl in a circle change/shift your position often so you are always (pretty much) pulling in a straight line toward you. Gets tough in some of the clocking positions on some of the cyls especially but that is an opportunity to discipline yourself/be a professional. In the car you'd wanna take the hood off but you are ahead of an "over the fender" overhaul cuz the block is already out You are too late with this advice, he already took the bore buster to the block ... darn it........ the things we could add to this topic. No wonder the popo couldn't be out ran. 440 and busted Ok you guys got me worried now, does it look like I reamed to much of the cylinder? Well you could always have the block sleeved... Years ago a friend of mine had a leaking soft plug in his race 440. He fought it for a while and could not get it out (still in the car)...so he figured he could drill through the plug, put a screw in the hole and crank it out. Unfortunately, he went through the cylinder wall with the drill bit and that ended his season. He had a lot invested in that block, so that hole got bored and sleeved.
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1998 Ram 2500 QuadCab, new daily driver.
2008 Honda Element
2014 Carry-On 7x14 Cargo Trailer
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: Adam71Charger]
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03/02/16 08:57 PM
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Ok you guys got me worried now, does it look like I reamed to much of the cylinder?
It looks rough but there's no way to tell without being there in person. It will likely be okay as long as there isn't a steep between the work you did and the original bore. Some folks are pretty sensitive to appearances.
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Re: Can I achieve 400hp with a late 70's 440 on a $2000 budget
[Re: Adam71Charger]
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I wish you lived closer. We could throw it on one of my engine stands and keep each outer company. It would be a fun project.
1970 Duster
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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
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9.42@138.27
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