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Re: If you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009598
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It is buried in a proposed regulation entitled "Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium- and Heavy-Duty Engines and Vehicles—Phase 2.".

Call or email your congress person.


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Re: If you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009632
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Here is the petition to sign to start the process to stop it. Need 61,000 signatures by march 10 2016.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...cles-racecars-0

Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009676
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http://jalopnik.com/how-and-why-you-can-weigh-in-on-the-epas-proposed-race-1758288770

"Most of those online petition sites don’t really do much. There’s been dozens of whitegouse.gov petitions over the years to kill the 25-year import ban, and Barack Obama still hasn’t given us the Nissan Skylines we demand.

Instead, and happily, our very own government has a system in place for the public to comment on the proposed new rules, and in these comments, we can explain, loudly and confidently, that these changes are insipid and benefit no one, and have a real economic, cultural, and quality-of-life cost for the businesses that have developed around racing and the many, many voting participants in these races.

To comment, you’ll want to go here, to the Federal Register, first.

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles...uty-engines-and

There you can find the full text of the proposal, and can find and cite the 40 CFR 1037.601(a)(3) section that’s hoping to exclude competition cars from the 40 CFR 1068.235 nonroad competition use exemption. It can’t hurt to be specific.

Then, you’ll go here, to Regulations.gov,

http://www.regulations.gov/#!docketDetail;D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2014-0827

If you follow that link there that will take you to the specific page for the EPA document in question.

There, you’ll see this comment button:

How And Why You Can Weigh In On The EPA's Proposed Race Car Rules
Click there, and it’ll take you to the comment page. Follow the instructions from there, and feel free to copy and paste from our articles on this if that helps. At this moment, the document has nearly 225,000 comments, so let’s try and get that number up even higher so there’s no way the feds can ignore this.

Hopefully, if enough of us express concern at this proposal, and the overall lack of respect for small-scale racing that it represents, we will be able to stop this in its tracks before it can potentially cause the racing community any harm."

More good info on this subject. I have added my support against this attack!

Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009826
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Link to another article on The Shop site.

http://theshopmag.com/news/industry-backs-petition-opposing-epa-s-motorsports-threat

I don't put much faith in the influence of these petitions, but I am signing and doing everything else that I think will help.

Call and email your congress person. That will help.


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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009852
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Interesting thread about this over at Class Racer. An informative attorney's evaluation of the EPA's proposed change is copied in a post on page 5 of that thread. I won't copy it here as it is lengthy, but it is worth reading.


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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009857
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Got a link to the write up
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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009874
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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009982
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This kinda crap pops up about every 10-15 years. Reminds me of the NRA "they're gonna take out guns away" tactics. In ether case, aint never gonna happen - no matter what you or I do.


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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2009993
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At my age I've lost all hope in the government but I still contacted my representatives. Aside from the usual talking points about numbers, revenues and participation in the entire motorsports industry which can be found easily on line, I reminded them that both Jeg's and Summit Racing are located in Ohio.

Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2010465
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Digging a little deeper in a new article...

http://theshopmag.com/news/news-blog-confusing-case-epa-s-position-racing-mods

Seems the EPA has taken the position that what we've been doing since 1968 is and has always been illegal, I.E. converting and/or modifying street cars that were federally certified for use on public roads and they are just now getting around to doing something about it.

Call or email your congress person. Do it often. I know from my involvement in other, non-automotive and non-PC activities, they pay attention when a group of people get angry and speak up. But do it respectfully.


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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2010619
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Here's a nice summary of the consequences:
http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2016/02/...amp;bid=1309601


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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: Frederick] #2011181
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See the link to a Motor Trend article I found this morning. The real target will be manufactures of performance parts, and anyone who sells them. Cut off the supply, and kill the sport/hobby.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/epas-real-target-the-automotive-aftermarket/

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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: gearhead01] #2011283
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Elections have consequences. Vote wisely, and above all...Informed, or don't vote. Thanks.


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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: Adobedude] #2011418
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Originally Posted By Adobedude
Elections have consequences. Vote wisely, and above all...Informed, or don't vote. Thanks.


You got that right.... this place is turning into...
never mind
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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2013168
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Update on the subject at hand.

http://theshopmag.com/features/sema-seeks-congressional-support-opposing-epa-racing-mod-rules

Call and/or email your congressional representatives. SEMA is taking this seriously, everyone with any involvement in the sport, hobby, industry, etc., should as well.


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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2013180
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Well they should, its a do or die situation.

The article mentions the EPA is trying to drum up support from congress, seems backwards to me.

From the article, "There wasn’t consensus on the EPA side that they were willing to take any action to address these concerns of ours.”

Why should that surprise anyone?


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2013193
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EPA Administrator McCarty appear before a congressional committee last week. In the middle of the 3 hour session, this 2 1/2 minute exchange took place between she and Rep. Austin Scott of Georgia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYbv8PIwqgs

Some people in Congress are paying attention to this. They need to know that we are also.


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Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2013207
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I like the exchange in the link you posted, however, the devil is in the details, the Congressman from the great state of Ga focused on "race cars", the EPA is saying a certified vehicle cannot be converted into a "race car" and thereby made exempt from regulations, they are still on two different pages.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2013208
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As my Grand pa said if their mouth is moving they are lying...

Just remember the EPA said the air @ Ground Zero after 9/11 was safe to breath.

I applaud Congressman Scott for bring it up...


Switched to the dark side...
Re: EPA vs. race cars, if you race and/or build cars, read this. [Re: CMcAllister] #2013247
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They like to say......that what they say......isn't really what they're saying. If anyone in Congress had have a brain the budget for the EPA would be 1/16th of what it currently is.


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