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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 440Jim] #1583701
12/09/14 01:29 AM 12/09/14 01:29 AM
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Did anyone order their block with the oversize sleeves. 4.7 vs 4.62? Any drawback to going oversized to get the .100 thick at 4.5? At 4.7 OD on the sleeve that only leaves .050 aluminum between the sleeves.

I don't understand "aluminum between the sleeves". Here is a picture of my 4.50" bore KB low deck and the sleeves don't have aluminum between them?



they do inside. the top is wider than the actual sleeve so the headgasket seals on steel.

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: bigtimeauto] #1583702
12/09/14 02:42 AM 12/09/14 02:42 AM
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How do they get those sleeves in there with the flat sides mated so perfectly?

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Hemi_Joel] #1583703
12/09/14 03:40 AM 12/09/14 03:40 AM
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How do they get those sleeves in there with the flat sides mated so perfectly?


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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Hemi_Joel] #1583704
12/09/14 08:48 AM 12/09/14 08:48 AM
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How do they get those sleeves in there with the flat sides mated so perfectly?

Just a guess, put them in the freezer for a hour or so??
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: bigtimeauto] #1583705
12/09/14 12:28 PM 12/09/14 12:28 PM
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Did anyone order their block with the oversize sleeves. 4.7 vs 4.62? Any drawback to going oversized to get the .100 thick at 4.5? At 4.7 OD on the sleeve that only leaves .050 aluminum between the sleeves.

I don't understand "aluminum between the sleeves". Here is a picture of my 4.50" bore KB low deck and the sleeves don't have aluminum between them?



they do inside. the top is wider than the actual sleeve so the headgasket seals on steel.



I ordered my KB hemi block a couple weeks ago. The size of the sleeve flange must push the steam holes in a hemi deck out from their factory location. KB hemi blocks use their own head gasket that have the holes moved. The holes in the heads need to be moved to match or in the case of stage V they can locate them to match the KB block when they machine them.

Indy blocks apparently just leave the steam holes out. KB does not recommend this because there is no way for the air at the top of the cooling jacket to escape.

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: d7cook] #1583706
12/09/14 02:26 PM 12/09/14 02:26 PM
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Did anyone order their block with the oversize sleeves. 4.7 vs 4.62? Any drawback to going oversized to get the .100 thick at 4.5? At 4.7 OD on the sleeve that only leaves .050 aluminum between the sleeves. Would that lead to cracking problems?

I'm getting ready to order a block. Ay input would be appreciated.

Thanks



Oops, looks like I replied before but...

My low deck block has the 4.700 sleeves with o-ring grooves. It is currently bored out at 4.538 and still going strong, but this build up is probably the last time before it needs, er I mean gets new sleeves. It has lead a hard life on spray and with me lots of RPM.
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Airwoofer] #1912795
09/15/15 03:57 AM 09/15/15 03:57 AM
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any body else have any recent experiences with Keith Black?
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: WadeMetzinger] #1992164
01/16/16 08:15 PM 01/16/16 08:15 PM
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Hello, I am new on the forum. I have a 69 Barracuda built for drag racing.
I have ordered a KB block but it seems to take very long time to get it, have been over a year now. What are your experience? Thanks, Trond.

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Cuda 1968] #1992169
01/16/16 08:27 PM 01/16/16 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted By dityharry.44m@gm
Hello, I am new on the forum. I have a 69 Barracuda built for drag racing.
I have ordered a KB block but it seems to take very long time to get it, have been over a year now. What are your experience? Thanks, Trond.



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KB's time frame was 7-8 months but now seems to be well over a year. The wait will be worth it but it really stinks to have to wait that long. I cancelled my order with Ken Black after 6 months of waiting.
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Sammy] #1992177
01/16/16 08:36 PM 01/16/16 08:36 PM
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Thanks, I am a bit worry for the deal and my money. Will contact KB next week for an update.

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: WadeMetzinger] #1992178
01/16/16 08:39 PM 01/16/16 08:39 PM
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I hate to say it, but if you ordered one, you better start putting pressure on them. I think they are very close to the end.
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: camastomcat] #1992197
01/16/16 09:22 PM 01/16/16 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted By camastomcat
I hate to say it, but if you ordered one, you better start putting pressure on them. I think they are very close to the end.



I think you are right. Ken Black just can't seem to get it going or to get blocks out the door. He has virtually no inventory and zero cash flow.
Even his workers have to go to Mexico to get medical care.
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Sammy] #1992246
01/16/16 10:44 PM 01/16/16 10:44 PM
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Believe me, it's not like I'm rooting against him. Nobody can continue to stay in business that way. I know people that have been very frustrated with his lack of ability to make good on his commitments. I'm glad I didn't order a raised cam block from him. I guess HP Performance isn't happening either. At least he didn't expect money before delivery when I talked to him.
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: WadeMetzinger] #1992342
01/17/16 12:51 AM 01/17/16 12:51 AM
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Any other suggestions on where to go for a high hp hemi block. Looking to add twin turbos to my setup.
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: WadeMetzinger] #1992353
01/17/16 01:17 AM 01/17/16 01:17 AM
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Sammy] #1992388
01/17/16 02:53 AM 01/17/16 02:53 AM
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My block ordering experience was horrible, payed almost 8 grand for a block that the decks were .022" shorter than I orderd, varied .003"from one side to the other..me having Pistons alread, Pistons would be .022" out of the bore... kens fix for having the decks to short was to buy me a set of thicker head gaskets, he told me he could not afford to buy me Pistons, and couldn't pay me my money back for a "long time",seal area on the block was welded on, line hone was off, #5 main cap was .0005" to big, could feel parting line(from block to cap) with your finger nail.....waited 20 extra weeks from quoted time to get it...should have, bought a billet block....was it worth the wait?..... NO!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: WadeMetzinger] #1993957
01/19/16 11:23 AM 01/19/16 11:23 AM
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The MP blocks are supposedly available now.

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