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#1998452 - 01/25/16 12:56 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
John_Kunkel Offline
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Don't know if these will be any help but they're pics of the frame splice on both sides of my '56.


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#1998506 - 01/25/16 02:01 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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All these pics are VERY helpful John Thank you
Keep em coming smile
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#1998560 - 01/25/16 04:04 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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A500 out of the Dakota can go in my `67 340 Dart too, yeah buddy ,!! good read on this thread about this conversion from others.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...tml#Post1737636




Edited by 67R/T4speeder (01/26/16 10:13 AM)
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#1998832 - 01/26/16 12:24 AM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
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Originally Posted By 67R/T4speeder
A500 out of the Dakota can go in my `67 340 Dart too, yeah buddy ,!! good read on this thread about it.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...tml#Post1737636




When are you going to get the Dart done? tonguue
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#1998976 - 01/26/16 10:12 AM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: MuuMuu101]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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Originally Posted By MuuMuu101
Originally Posted By 67R/T4speeder
A500 out of the Dakota can go in my `67 340 Dart too, yeah buddy ,!! good read on this thread about it.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...tml#Post1737636




When are you going to get the Dart done? tonguue


Right now it is my daily driver spot primer and all LOL but as far as doing the trans swap I imagine soon after I get it out and have some open rack time in my shop.
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#2001463 - 01/29/16 06:27 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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Time to clean er up now, just greasy luckily.


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#2002259 - 01/30/16 07:28 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
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That last shot is golden for those that have an old flathead car and want to know what is the issue with the steering when swapping in a V8. Notice how much of the box and column is in the same area of the exhaust on a V8. That's why people keep mentioning A body exhaust manifolds and moving the engine over a bit to the right.


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#2002683 - 01/31/16 12:14 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: RodStRace]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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Originally Posted By RodStRace
That last shot is golden for those that have an old flathead car and want to know what is the issue with the steering when swapping in a V8. Notice how much of the box and column is in the same area of the exhaust on a V8. That's why people keep mentioning A body exhaust manifolds and moving the engine over a bit to the right.


Sticks way out there for sure

Hopefully I can find someone needing these `56 parts I am not going to use.
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#2002699 - 01/31/16 12:30 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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`56 frame dimensions


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#2007271 - 02/07/16 09:17 AM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: dogdays]
finn Offline
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Originally Posted By dogdays
There are all sorts of mustang II-based front ends out there, such as Heidt's or Fatman, and they have been working for years. I believe with most of those setups you keep your existing framerails. The aftermarket is full of upgrade parts for this basic setup. The same basic setup was used on the Granada so don't let someone tell you it isn't strong enough.

The Dakota swap is very popular here and it looks like that's because it is a good one. People either swap the whole frame or else cut and weld the new front end to the old back half of the frame.

I wonder when Dakotas are going to become scarce, they aren't really valued for much else and they are scarce on the roads right now. Probably quite a few sitting besides barns, though.

R.


I know you aren't going the Mustang II route, but FYI, the Granada doesn't use the Mustang II design front suspension, but rather is a modified version of the high mount coil design originally developed for the 1960 Falcon and later used in the original 1965-1973 Mustang and 1962-1971 Fairlanes and Torinos.

The Mustang II suspension was used in the subcompact Pinto and 1974-78 Mustang and Mercury equivalents


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#2011280 - 02/13/16 04:35 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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Before we loose the front suspension we rolled it outside for some scrubbing, I think it shined up pretty sweet. Simple green and a pressure washer and a brush. Roller er back in.


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#2012681 - 02/15/16 05:29 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
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looking good andy!

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#2013026 - 02/16/16 07:59 AM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
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I see you are going with the dakote swap, for others the 2003-2008 IIRC crown vic set up is a very good one as well!!!

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#2013067 - 02/16/16 09:52 AM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 65rbdodge]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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Originally Posted By 65rbdodge
looking good andy!
smile Hi buddy
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#2013068 - 02/16/16 09:53 AM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 3csalvage]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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Originally Posted By 3csalvage
I see you are going with the dakote swap, for others the 2003-2008 IIRC crown vic set up is a very good one as well!!!



It the use of Mopar parts the best I can that is stuck in my head
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#2013109 - 02/16/16 10:59 AM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
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#2013181 - 02/16/16 12:38 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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That was before my 2nd cup of coffee smile

I would like to keep the `56 suspension all Mopar in other words
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#2013234 - 02/16/16 01:39 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
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I was more suggesting it for others as an alternative, In my area that is an easier find than a Dakota frame that is not seriously rusted!

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#2013268 - 02/16/16 02:26 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
67R/T4speeder Offline
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I was surprised at how hard it was to find Dakota so I see your point. We do not have the rust problem here unless you park your car outside very near the ocean. This Dakota was the first I saw close by that drove so I could move around due to lack of space at my shop, plus it had the OD transmission I wanted for my Dart.

Cash for clunker program I bet got most of them, so that means allot of good frames got crushed EEEK

My R/T was bought new in Marietta, Ohio it must have not stayed there long or just sat in a garage because it had just tiny bit of rust behind right rear wheel well. I bought it in Colorado in `82
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#2013302 - 02/16/16 03:42 PM Re: `56 Dodge modern front end swap advice [Re: 67R/T4speeder]
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The Crown Vic subframe has a wider track then a Dakota, which becomes an issue on many older cars & trucks. Around here its easier and cheaper to buy a running Dakota then it is to buy just a frame, but yes, you will want to look at the Dakota frame for rust before you part with your money. Areas of concern are mostly between the wheels on the lower part, especially near the trans crossmember and the joint area near the channel & the box joint. Don't completely condemn the frame if there is rust in those areas, if the rest of the frame is pretty clean. The bottom sections can be replaced with 1/8" flat stock. Your probably welding on the frame anyway. Like most modern stuff, they created a location where water can get in, but can't get out, so rust begins and self feeds. Gene

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