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Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. #1957222
11/24/15 06:28 PM
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Well, today after about a year of research I figured ill start on my path to a stock suspenion, stock steering turbo 440 in a dart. Ive already been told it wont work using stock manifolds. Any other turbo big block mopar guys on here?





Heres one for everybody that said a stock manifold wont clear the steering or spark plugs.

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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957242
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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 451Cuda] #1957291
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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957293
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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957301
11/24/15 08:24 PM
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Had mine running for 6 summers now. Has a 383 out of an old 66 Newport which was my daily driver in the 1990's. Got silly with the wastegate stop screws and pushed a head gasket out of it about a week ago on the last-of the-year cruise.It did ok at 18lbs. but 21 put it over the edge.I really thought it would blow through one of the cast pistons first.Just had bolts and whatever gasket felpro puts in the standard gasket set.Cometics and studs on the 470 going in.I swapped it over to twins last winter in preparation for the 470 and just drove it the way it was for the summer.I have edelbrock heads so I made stainless manifolds to clear the plugs. The straight plugs should clear a factory manifold. From what I've seen/read it's pretty hard to mess up the hot side as long as it is sealed up and doesn't crack.Don't worry about the restriction aspect. Dizuster runs mid 9's through truck manifolds with a 1 7/8" outlet.Ignore the nonbelievers/haters too.Grandma always said"Can't never did anything" Heres version 1.0 http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r461/FriedDonuts/P1000670.jpg And version 2.0 http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r461/FriedDonuts/CAM00911_zpsm4keefia.jpg Yes, I hooked up the hose to the driver side air filter eventually.

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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957316
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Good luck im on my second turbo build. Take your time and do it the way you want. Its easy to buy parts and change your mind so do your do diligence and make sure when your buying your parts its what you really need.
Give us a run down on the parts and pieces you have in mind to use and im sure we can help you in any way possible

Heres my 62 valiant with a 400 mock up block anything can be accomplished


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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: turbo toad] #1957322
11/24/15 09:15 PM
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Previous member here did it in an A-body...I would eventually like to, but the stock block is a tough deal.





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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957352
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Glad to see im not the only one. Its a cast piston low comp 440, .509 cam (gonna change it) thinking for now a single S480(1.32A/R turbine) on 10lbs, intercooled. 6000rpm max. It has a team G manifold, probably need to change it. 3500 billet TCS convertor. Did anyone open up the ring gap or will it be fine on 10lbs? I got another 440 apart I can build if this one gives up the ghost.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957353
11/24/15 10:10 PM
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And ill be starting on my hotside after the holidays. Ill try to keep the thread updated even though progress will be slow.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957371
11/24/15 10:45 PM
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Can someone post a list of parts needed to do this...I have a fresh 400 I thought about doing a turbo on 1 day...I have some access to a few Truck turbos or even a few bigger turbos ..

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: earthmover] #1957389
11/24/15 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted By earthmover
Can someone post a list of parts needed to do this...I have a fresh 400 I thought about doing a turbo on 1 day...I have some access to a few Truck turbos or even a few bigger turbos ..


It really depends on the car, single turbo or twins. Id reccomend a big fuel system, a return line and a boost referenced fuel regulator. Carb needs to be setup for blow thru, theres online tech on how to do so but im sending mine to Kevin at CSU when im ready. Blow off valve, waste gate, can go intercooled but not everyone does. Theres literally a million ways to do it and im just starting to get my feet wet. Stroll over to theturboforums.com also. Tons of knowledge there also.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 67_Satellite] #1957392
11/24/15 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted By 67_Satellite
Had mine running for 6 summers now. Has a 383 out of an old 66 Newport which was my daily driver in the 1990's. Got silly with the wastegate stop screws and pushed a head gasket out of it about a week ago on the last-of the-year cruise.It did ok at 18lbs. but 21 put it over the edge.I really thought it would blow through one of the cast pistons first.Just had bolts and whatever gasket felpro puts in the standard gasket set.Cometics and studs on the 470 going in.I swapped it over to twins last winter in preparation for the 470 and just drove it the way it was for the summer.I have edelbrock heads so I made stainless manifolds to clear the plugs. The straight plugs should clear a factory manifold. From what I've seen/read it's pretty hard to mess up the hot side as long as it is sealed up and doesn't crack.Don't worry about the restriction aspect. Dizuster runs mid 9's through truck manifolds with a 1 7/8" outlet.Ignore the nonbelievers/haters too.Grandma always said"Can't never did anything" Heres version 1.0 http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r461/FriedDonuts/P1000670.jpg And version 2.0 http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r461/FriedDonuts/CAM00911_zpsm4keefia.jpg Yes, I hooked up the hose to the driver side air filter eventually.



I was planning on a good MLS head gasket and studs when I put my aluminum heads on it. Pistons are 46 bucks a pop so if I kill a few its not a big deal for me. Just worried about the ring gap. Im surprised yours lived at 18lbs. I may have to lean on mine when its done to scare some people

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957394
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I built one about 8 years ago. Single turbo on a 440 in a 69 dart. I used EFI and Snow injection since I didn't have room for and inter cooler. Fun car. I sold the car but kept the engine and turbo setup. I run a Hemi now with nitrous in my Demon.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957405
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It has the Mopar Performance "9.0:1" cast replacement pistons. They barely made 8.0:1 with the edelbrock heads. I don't think I even checked the ring gap when it went together way back when.It was a quickie/weekend build. Drove it about 120K miles after that in the Newport before the boosted abuse began.Could probably put a new gasket in it and go, but I have almost all the parts to assemble the 470. Many parts will be transfered from the 383.I think at 15-18lbs. shifting at 5500 r.p.m. it would have lived indefinitely.I took out a Crane204/216 .427"/.454" cam and put in a Crower 271 H.D.P. and I think it lost a little power and gained some lope at idle. I would suggest a lope free cam unless a proper custon cam is going to be used.

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957407
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My little 318 survived numerous dyno pulls at 24 lbs of boost with factory cast pistons drinking 110 octane. It was only after an accidental 24 lbs on 87 octane on the street did it blow 3 pistons. $149 to my door later I had a full set of replacement pistons, pins, and rings. Dave

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: quickd100] #1957418
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Originally Posted By quickd100
My little 318 survived numerous dyno pulls at 24 lbs of boost with factory cast pistons drinking 110 octane. It was only after an accidental 24 lbs on 87 octane on the street did it blow 3 pistons. $149 to my door later I had a full set of replacement pistons, pins, and rings. Dave


What was this installed in?


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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: blowndart] #1957420
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Originally Posted By blowndart
I built one about 8 years ago. Single turbo on a 440 in a 69 dart. I used EFI and Snow injection since I didn't have room for and inter cooler. Fun car. I sold the car but kept the engine and turbo setup. I run a Hemi now with nitrous in my Demon.


Got any pictures of the setup?

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: quickd100] #1957421
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Originally Posted By quickd100
My little 318 survived numerous dyno pulls at 24 lbs of boost with factory cast pistons drinking 110 octane. It was only after an accidental 24 lbs on 87 octane on the street did it blow 3 pistons. $149 to my door later I had a full set of replacement pistons, pins, and rings. Dave


Thats a ton of boost haha. What kind of mumbers did it make?

Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957500
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Why would you take the time to reserach this like you did and spend the money needed to build a cheap cast piston short block when you know that it could fail at speed and end up hurting you or the car or both work I wouldn't do that tsk Build a decent short block and use it to get educated on this technology and proceed on up

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Re: Path less traveled.....turbo Big Block. [Re: 69B3GT] #1957553
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Have run one for 10 years now, the current version is still untested. Have built another one too, and a third, budget build with stock 383 base engine with a single turbo is on its way.


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