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Which willwood kit did you get? more pics please?

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Its the basic street/race kit... the first pic was with a polished caliper (from my other car) I ended up running the black caliper instead to match the rears...

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Did the Wilwoods make your front tires track wider?

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Did the Wilwoods make your front tires track wider?

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Way to go Mike When is your plan to race that thing? I hope to make it out with the 51 pile on the 24th.

Diego

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Ted, Im pretty much always down to race, I really need to turn my bar to a cage, get it certed, and get a liscence... I just get the boot everywhere I go now... Ive been racing, just in a more underground scene lately... Ill hit up Barona again soon, new goal is 5.90s

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Sorry I meant is this the solid rotor (med duty) or the vented (heavy duty)?

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Vented... rears are as well...

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The Wilwoods should have pushed them out ~1/4". Aerospace - you would have saved another 8 lbs, looked nicer, gotten a discount from me, had no rolling resistance, and sucked your wheels IN 1/4". Oh well - Wilwoods still work fine.

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Wow you could have got me everything down to the brake lines for less than $300 ??? Car already had wilwoods in the rear, so I wanted them to match as well... Cant really see how the aerospace look nicer either? hows that? look the same minus caliper? Aerospace must pay you well for your Wilwood bashing though! No wind out of my sales either by the way...

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The Wilwoods should have pushed them out ~1/4". Aerospace - you would have saved another 8 lbs, looked nicer, gotten a discount from me, had no rolling resistance, and sucked your wheels IN 1/4". Oh well - Wilwoods still work fine.

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The Wilwoods should have pushed them out ~1/4". Aerospace - you would have saved another 8 lbs, looked nicer, gotten a discount from me, had no rolling resistance, and sucked your wheels IN 1/4". Oh well - Wilwoods still work fine.

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there is no more of a resistance in wilwood vs any other brake.....

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No trust me Wilwoods have a tendency to hang up and frequent cleaning and rebuilding is what you have to commit to. At least that has been my experience with the four sets I have been involved with. The ones on the Barracuda were just redone again by me. The reason is pretty simple on the rolling resistance. Aerospace brakes have piston retractors Wilwoods dont.

I am hoping that my Wilwoods stay this way for awhile. My car was to the point it took two people to even push the thing in a straight line. This winter I hope to loose the Wilwoods and get new front struts, have not decided on brakes yet but will either be Aerospace or maybe Lamb.

Not trying to bash anyone here just stating what I have seen. As for the looks thing it is like anything else in life and opinion. I personally think Lambs look best.

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No trust me Wilwoods have a tendency to hang up and frequent cleaning and rebuilding is what you have to commit to. At least that has been my experience with the four sets I have been involved with. The ones on the Barracuda were just redone again by me. The reason is pretty simple on the rolling resistance. Aerospace brakes have piston retractors Wilwoods dont.

I am hoping that my Wilwoods stay this way for awhile. My car was to the point it took two people to even push the thing in a straight line. This winter I hope to loose the Wilwoods and get new front struts, have not decided on brakes yet but will either be Aerospace or maybe Lamb.

Not trying to bash anyone here just stating what I have seen. As for the looks thing it is like anything else in life and opinion. I personally think Lambs look best.

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after a pass it's normal for disc brakes to be tight, what releases them is the run out in a rotor( very minimal). at 10 mph the calipers are moved back enough. you can't judge them by pushing a car in the pits after a run. instalation and centering the caliper is also critical. along with the correct brake fluid.

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The issue with thew Wilwoods is the lack of any dust seal on the caliper pistons. They begin to stick with use, like any brake would under these conditions. Runout will cause the brakes to stick in certain spots. Mine and all the Wilwoods I have seen that have some time on them do it, not tight in spots tight throughout the entire rotation from the pistons hanging up. BTW we are not talking about after a run. It did it all the time....As have the others I have "fixed" and that is a best a temporary "fix".

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No trust me Wilwoods have a tendency to hang up and frequent cleaning and rebuilding is what you have to commit to. At least that has been my experience with the four sets I have been involved with. The ones on the Barracuda were just redone again by me. The reason is pretty simple on the rolling resistance. Aerospace brakes have piston retractors Wilwoods dont.

I am hoping that my Wilwoods stay this way for awhile. My car was to the point it took two people to even push the thing in a straight line. This winter I hope to loose the Wilwoods and get new front struts, have not decided on brakes yet but will either be Aerospace or maybe Lamb.

Not trying to bash anyone here just stating what I have seen. As for the looks thing it is like anything else in life and opinion. I personally think Lambs look best.

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after a pass it's normal for disc brakes to be tight, what releases them is the run out in a rotor( very minimal). at 10 mph the calipers are moved back enough. you can't judge them by pushing a car in the pits after a run. instalation and centering the caliper is also critical. along with the correct brake fluid.

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Good luck and enjoy then...Guess I and a number of my customers just have bad luck with them. I have probably installed at least 30 brake kits on cars in the last 6 months, including Wilwoods. I have converted more than one car from Wilwoods to something else as well, just sharing what I have experienced thats all..

BTW when was the last time you tried another brand, or Aerospace brakes for that matter? I see you are in Florida as they are..

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I would try them if they were not so expensive. I have really had no need to change brands though. I could care less which ones look better, it's hard to see them going down the track

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The Wilwoods should have pushed them out ~1/4". Aerospace - you would have saved another 8 lbs, looked nicer, gotten a discount from me, had no rolling resistance, and sucked your wheels IN 1/4". Oh well - Wilwoods still work fine.

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there is no more of a resistance in wilwood vs any other brake.....

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Wilwood Mopar front race kit, Summit $785
Aerospace Mopar front race kit, Retail $750, your special Moparts discounted price $700.

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which ones are you talking about? page 244 summit mag, wil-140-5255B dana rear brakes- the lightest kit in all of drag racing. $486.95 with out my super class discount

wil-140-2726-B chrysler E body front drag kit $682 with out my discount

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Good luck and enjoy then...Guess I and a number of my customers just have bad luck with them. I have probably installed at least 30 brake kits on cars in the last 6 months, including Wilwoods. I have converted more than one car from Wilwoods to something else as well, just sharing what I have experienced thats all..

BTW when was the last time you tried another brand, or Aerospace brakes for that matter? I see you are in Florida as they are..

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I would try them if they were not so expensive. I have really had no need to change brands though. I could care less which ones look better, it's hard to see them going down the track

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Tony if you tried a set of Areospace, you would never own a Wilwood again.Since you use Wilwood,have you ever called them? Areospace customer service is the best. PS They do look nicer also with spoked rims

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Wilwood Mopar front race kit, Summit $785
Aerospace Mopar front race kit, Retail $750, your special Moparts discounted price $700.

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which ones are you talking about? page 244 summit mag, wil-140-5255B dana rear brakes- the lightest kit in all of drag racing. $486.95 with out my super class discount

wil-140-2726-B chrysler E body front drag kit $682 with out my discount

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I thought we were comparing front kits.

The Aerospace rear race kit for a Mopar retails for $509, your discounted price from me is $459. And the Aerospace rear brakes are 3lbs per side lighter than the Wilwoods as those are the same Wilwoods I took off my car when I put the Aerospace ones on it.

On the front kit, the part number your provided is for a solid rotor - the Aerospace rotor is cross-drilled. Therefore, apples - oranges. The part number for the Wilwood cross-drilled option is the same one, but with a D added at the end: wil-140-2726-BD - and the price on that is $785.95 - which is what I originally provided.

I'm not knocking Wilwood at all, I just think the Aerospace brakes are better as is the customer service from the manufacturer. That's why I'm a dealer for them. If I thought Wilwood's were better, I would be a dealer for them. I'm not knocking them at all - WWs are a fine brake. This is a very similar debate as to who makes the best torque converter.

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The biggest reason I went with Wilwoods was because the guy at Aerospace in Florida gave me a real hard time about my spindles.He said they had to have them sent to them to match up the brakes correctly.I understood the reason for what he was saying,but I also KNEW what was on my car,and told him so,we've had the car over 30 years,but he didn't want to listen,so Hot Rods USA got my business.

My Wilwoods spin freely.I took a lot of time to ensure that the wheel bearings were adjusted properly and that the calipers were centered over the rotors.I cannot say they spin the same as the Aerospace,as I've never used them.

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No worries, My shoe box nova had aerospace, (I didnt like the pedal travel issue, although I understood it) But they worked great, but the stock junk worked great too... Guess my point of the post wasnt saying how great wilwwods are or arent, It was the fact that for $300 (bought them new at spring fling last year) I lost 40 LBS! Its crazy people spend so much $$$ to loose so little weight... Guess I never realized how heavy the stock stuff was...
So lil Demon, isnt the weight difference because they are all non vented rotors? just curious, being that the car is regularly street driven...

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Totally understand and also why they do it that way. But as I posted,I knew what is on my car.I really tried to work with them,but it didn't happen.

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IMHO, that pedal pump would really suck when bracket racing. When approaching the line I need my brakes ready for action and I want to know where the pedal is. If I have to remember to pump the pedal during the run it's just another way to screw up. Is there any way to minimize the retraction?
Saving weight is great, but the lighter the brakes are the quicker they'll heat up and the sooner they'll fade. There's definitely a trade-off there.





"The reason for the increased pedal travel on the first pump is because they use piston retractors. Some folks are not real comfortable with the pedal travel and I inform all before I suggest them. Some folks just dont like the feel on the first pump and cant get past that."

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My coronet has aerospace on all for corners and I've never noticed the "pedal pump".

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Hi Glenn, how ya been?

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With the aerospace I do not pump going down the track and I assure you I can silence the engine at 130mph!!

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Been my experience as well..Some folks are just not comfortable with the amount of pedal travel on the first pump, BUT IT WILL STOP THE CAR..

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No worries, My shoe box nova had aerospace, (I didnt like the pedal travel issue, although I understood it) But they worked great, but the stock junk worked great too... Guess my point of the post wasnt saying how great wilwwods are or arent, It was the fact that for $300 (bought them new at spring fling last year) I lost 40 LBS! Its crazy people spend so much $$$ to loose so little weight... Guess I never realized how heavy the stock stuff was...
So lil Demon, isnt the weight difference because they are all non vented rotors? just curious, being that the car is regularly street driven...

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I must have missed the vented rotor bit. Yes - the weight savings would be identical on the front street kits. The AC street rears are still a touch lighter than WW, but I believe only a pound or so.

BTW - I really did not mean to come across as bashing you. You got a good product at a great price and that is never a bad thing.

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I did?!? My first response and subsequent ones were about the comments on brake drag that someone else brought up. I was only trying to set the record straight about the comments made as pertaining to drag. I thought I also stated that I have installed many aftermarket brake kits and we put on a number of Wilwood kits, in fact the last one I installed was a Wilwood kit on an Escalade.

The economy has nothing to do with it. I see erroneous information on here all the time and usually just bite my tongue, as the info usually gets corrected eventually. SO I take the time to respond to try and let folks know the correct info and you bash me for doing it? I have been around here since the beginning, used to be folks could read info on here and not try to attach a hidden meaning to the post. Anymore it seems if someone tries to inject any TECHNICAL info on here they are seen as bashing. No wonder the amount of real hard core tech stuff has diminished so much over the years. I do agree that on occasion vendors do pimp their stuff a bit more than maybe they should but not my call on that. Just do my best to try and ad correct info on here when I can. Maybe I need a long break from this place as well....

I dont care who they come from as I dont sell any kits. I only install them, mostly on Mustangs, Imports and Trucks as they are my customer base. As far as recommending them, yes I recommend Aerospace stuff alot, but we also suggest Wilwood, Baer and SSBC, and Ford Motorsports depending on the application.

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I'm not trying to get anyones blood pressure up but just wanted to put up a note that this guy already bought a product. After the fact salesman-ship doesn't do anybody any good.
What I saw was on the verge of telling this guy his stuff was inferior and he shouldn't have bought it.
Whether that was the intent or not it was sounding like it was implied.
It would be more beneficial to say, "Great buy, if you're ever in the market for something else, remember Aerospace".
Instead in true Moparts fashion, this congratulatory thread gets turned into a debate of "he bought junk, it's heavier by 3.7 lbs, you have to keep them clean,..... Shoulda bought product X."

In the end, better than stock, good deal, and they look good.

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40 pounds divided by $300.00 = $7.50/lb. That's unsprung weight, off the front of the car, no less.

Pimp move!

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This was my point of the post... Thank you...

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No worries, My shoe box nova had aerospace, (I didnt like the pedal travel issue, although I understood it) But they worked great, but the stock junk worked great too... Guess my point of the post wasnt saying how great wilwwods are or arent, It was the fact that for $300 (bought them new at spring fling last year) I lost 40 LBS! Its crazy people spend so much $$$ to loose so little weight... Guess I never realized how heavy the stock stuff was...
So lil Demon, isnt the weight difference because they are all non vented rotors? just curious, being that the car is regularly street driven...

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I must have missed the vented rotor bit. Yes - the weight savings would be identical on the front street kits. The AC street rears are still a touch lighter than WW, but I believe only a pound or so.

BTW - I really did not mean to come across as bashing you. You got a good product at a great price and that is never a bad thing.

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You and Al Alguiere must be trying to lose potential customers for Aerospace.

This fella comes on here in elation that he got a good deal, saved some weight, and improved his brakes from what he had before.

Instead chalking it up as "Lost another one to DiTech" you sarcastically imply that he made a mistake because he didn't spend money with you.

One thing I have learned in my career is it doesn't matter if you are wrong, right, or the other guy is an idiot. It matters not the intent of your words but the how those words are PERCIEVED.

I would gues that most that have viewed the post to give the OP an "at' a boy" and read your post percieved your posts as maybe a little jealous that he didn't call you. Maybe it was just that you passionately feel your brakes are better but after someone buys another product you're not going make him want to take his new brakes off, sell them, and buy a product from you to save a minimal amount of weight.

There are some vendors on here that would be happy no matter what product a guy used as long as he was happy and just continue to contribute to Moparts and try to get business from folks who are still in the market for your product.

I don't know if it is the economy that is making vendors across the country hungry but I hope the Perception of high pressure salesmen doesn't become a norm.

lil Demon, you can't get mad all day long at my post but remember, it is how others percieved your first posts. It doesn't matter even if most people understood you it doesn't matter. What if 1 potential customer read you wrong (or right.

Just be happy for the guy. It shouldn't take 2 pages of discussion about who's product is better to congratulate him on his good deal he got.

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Why dont we make a list of pros and con of both products and put it in the tech archive.I am interested in new frt brks but I am so confused now. piston retractors,paint /non paint,dust seal/non dust seal ,pedal pump ugg.

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Im Completely satisfied with everything about my Wilwoods... used Wilwoods for years without problems... and I got them cheap... Ive used Aerospace as well they were good too...

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sounds like a real good way of loosing weight of the front of the car and for a reasonable price also

two questions
are they any better att acutaly stoping the car?`

how about replacement pads for these brakes are they the same spec as some kind of stock pads to make it easy to get replacement when needed?
just trying to learn alitle

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