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Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: 5126brl No more] #193550
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I have been trying to find a site or place that list the towing laws.
I have a 24 ft. enclosed that is registerd and built for a 10000# limit.
I heard that some states are getting tuff so I wanted to re register it at a lower rate say 9k.

What is the info that the dot or police are going to use to verify my truck can pull the 10K trailer?
It is not listed on the door tag? In the ford towing guide I have it says with 3.73s I can pull up to 14000# with a load distributing hitch and I have one.




Is it exatly 10,000? At 10,001 and above here, you must have the licence plate of the tow vehicle registered to cover both the weight of the truck AND trailer.

Its called "in combination"

I am sure if you use google you can find the towing laws of each state.

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: S/ST 3040] #193551
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Not a 1/2 ton, but I tow with a 2004 Ford F350
diesel, 4dr, 4x4,long bed, 4:10 gears. Maybe
a bit overkill for what I tow, but it was a
good price when I bought it 1/2006.

18 ft open full steel bed car trailer with a
74 Duster that weights about 3400 with me in
it. Gets around 15 mpg towing that.

Also tow a 25 ft travel trailer that weights
about 7500 loaded, gets 9 to 13 depending on
how many 6 degree hills I climb on a trip.


Phil Saran Parker, Colorado
Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: slantzilla] #193552
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'98 Dually Diesel and 24' enclosed. Set cruise at 70mph+ and it just stays right there...

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: Dragula] #193553
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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: Dragula] #193554
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My old '90 with upgraded suspension I towed an open trailor for many years...

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: Dragula] #193555
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I cant believe how many 1/2 ton dually diesel pickups exist out there. mike

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: S/ST 3040] #193556
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You Moparts guys are much too polite. Over 40 hits before anybody commented.
I got that picture in an e-mail entitled "Class 3 Hitch" and LMAO!

Mine




I laughed my butt off when I saw that pic.. my kid came running in to see what was so funny.. He looked at the picture, said "OH" and then looked at me funny

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: Jeepmon] #193557
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Well it can be done with an open trailer no problem. However I only have a 20' enclosed and it almost cost me everything. Was on a normal tow home from Quaker city and it had rained earlier in the day. It for the most part was dry. I came into Chippewa (rt. 60) exit and hit a new patch of asphalt. Well the oil had come out from the high heat that day, then the rain came in. Well it was bad, trailer started to jack knife and I was in a slide. If it were not for the quick thinking of my buddy Derek it would have been all over. He yanked 2 lanes over seeing me coming at him in a slide. I recovered enough to get things straight, but was still in a slide. Was more than 1/2 thru the light when I finally got stopped. Went out that week and got a 1 ton dually Diseal to tow with, so much safer. See ya, Ken Michalik

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: 1974 474 Duster] #193558
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Well it can be done with an open trailer no problem. However I only have a 20' enclosed and it almost cost me everything. Was on a normal tow home from Quaker city and it had rained earlier in the day. It for the most part was dry. I came into Chippewa (rt. 60) exit and hit a new patch of asphalt. Well the oil had come out from the high heat that day, then the rain came in. Well it was bad, trailer started to jack knife and I was in a slide. If it were not for the quick thinking of my buddy Derek it would have been all over. He yanked 2 lanes over seeing me coming at him in a slide. I recovered enough to get things straight, but was still in a slide. Was more than 1/2 thru the light when I finally got stopped. Went out that week and got a 1 ton dually Diseal to tow with, so much safer. See ya, Ken Michalik




I dont care what you have, if your on oil your dually
wouldnt have stopped either.... at least my dually wont.
I believe in have good trailer brakes... and I use
them... also I prefer to have electric brakes over
a surge brake... with the electric brakes I can stand
on the trailer brakes to straighten out the rig if need be

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #193559
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We have two 18-foot open car trailers (both trailers have electric brakes on both axles). The new (2006 Road Warrior) trailer weighs 2,400 lbs. and the old (2000 Stillwater) trailer weighs 2,000 lbs.

All I have ever towed with are 2wd 1/2-ton trucks without weight distribution bars and they all towed great in my opinion.

Here is our hot rod tow unit. It's a 1964 Ford F-100 2wd truck with a rebuilt 1989 Dodge 5.9L factory roller cam engine with 1994 Magnum exhaust manifolds with dual 2.5" exhaust out the rear of the truck. It has a T/F-727 transmission and Ford 9" rear with 3.5?:1 gears. It has a Camaro front subframe with power disk brakes. It had a 350 'Vette engine in it when we bought it.
We cut up an old hitch and welded it directly to the frame and the hitch & 7-pin plug in is hidden behind the license plate. It needed a lot of small bugs worked out, but for the $1,000.00 I paid for it in daily driving condition this truck served its purpose many times over.
I even raced this truck (with a small B&M supercharger on it) for a couple years until the 350 finally spun some bearings. Thats when we "fixed" the driveline.

In 2006 with a complete running/driving 1973 Dodge Dart Sport on the trailer and a complete rebuilt 440 Six Pack engine in the bed of the truck along with a lot of tools and such. Picked up the engine in Scranton, PA for $2,750.00 and the Dart Sport in Wooster, Ohio.














Shortly after I hit two deer in one night with the '64 on my way to pick up a 1972 Demon in Eau Clare, WI. Then I picked up this 1993 Ford F-150 for better fuel economy and less worries. I bought it for $800.00. It had 128,xxx miles on it and just had a full tune up. I had to put new rear leaf springs & hangers/shackles on it ($325.00). It also desperately need new u-joints ($35.00). It had new exhaust but it was small so I bent my own 2.5" free flowing system. It had the 300 I-6 engine and a 5-speed manual transmission. A standard cab and long box with dual fuel tanks. It was a very base model truck. NO A/C, no cruise control, manual windows, manual mirrors, manual door locks, a rubber floor mat (instead of carpeting), ... a real work horse of a truck! It would get 20+ MPGs empty too.
These are the only two shots I could find quickly with a loaded trailer hooked to it.














A little over a year ago I bought a 1998 Stratus for $200.00 with a bad timing belt. I threw on a new timing belt ($35.00) and luckily it ran like a new car. I bought a new right side mirror ($33.00) for it and then traded the car even up for this extremely nice clean fully loaded 2001 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT qaud cab 2wd 5.9L Magnum auto. It had 1,000s of dollars in quality upgrades so it was a smoking deal. I added front and rear factory chrome bumpers. It tows great and I love the extended cab. Best of all it's a Dodge. It gets about 13 MPGs while towing a loaded trailer, however unfortunately it doesn't get much more completely empty. It does need new tires though.









1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: 5126brl No more] #193560
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Be careful of the total weight you tow with a 1/2 ton pick up, regardless of which brand I wrecked a Hemi GTX yeras ago towing it with a 1/2 ton Ford on a real lightweight two axle open trailer, we hit a big dog and jack knife the trailer, flip the GTX off of the trailer ionto its top totaling it I now tow with a one ton Dodge CTD four door wheel drive truck now


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Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: Cab_Burge] #193561
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I hit a big buck one night with the Dakota pulling a trailer on I29 just into South Dakota. $6500. damage to the truck. Set off teh air bag and took out the front end and wrapped the radiator around the fan without breaking the radiator, took out the left door, hood, fenders, cracked the windshield, and kincked the dash. It was cool out and even without the fan turning with a clutch fan I was able to drive the truck home 120 miles at midnight with one head light shining out into the right ditch. It stayed straight as a pin. This was still with a tag trailer using a load distribution hitch which IMO is a must with just about any tow rig towing a tag axle trailer any bigger than a utility trailer. I swore off tags if at all possible. Goosenecks tow so much nicer and are much safer to tow than a tag trailer. Closest I have come to a wreck in all the years of towing was with a dually crew cab in on a city street at about 35 MPH and a car pulled out in front of me on a wet street and I locked it up towing an open flat bed with the car on it. since that time I have made a habit to periodically check the trailer brakes while going down the road. That time the main brake power lead had come loose from the connection. All the lights worked but not the brakes.

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: MoparforLife] #193562
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That time the main brake power lead had come loose from the connection. All the lights worked but not the brakes.




Thats the one thing that I really like about my
Prodigy controller, if the power to the brakes
is broken for any reason it shows on the controller

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #193563
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I also tow a 16'open bed trailer with my 1970 Dodge Dart with a 2001 Dodge Dakota Quad Cab 4X2 with the 4.7L. It tows fine going 20 minutes from my house to Summit Racing Equipment Motorsports Park but I will be putting it to the test this year as I plan to attend several IHRA and NHRA national and divisional races.

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: MrMoparRacing] #193564
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I didn't mention that when the trailer started coming and pushing the truck it took it right with it into the next lane like I was on ice.

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I was towing an open 18' steel deck trailer
with an 06 f150 5.4.. Towed very nice got about
13 mpg.. Stepped up to a 24' enclosed 10,000
gvw with a 08 f250 5.4 towes good on the flats
hills suck gets about 9 to 10 mpg.. But no
worry about road debris, rain and I can sleep
in it..

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Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: greenmcode] #193566
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I'm spoiled, my current setup is a 2005 Ram 3500 Cummins QuadCab 4x4 (single rear wheel) longbed with a 28' enclosed trailer. I think the trailer, car, and gear in the trailer bring the trailer weight to around #10,000?
The truck tows great, but could use an exhaust brake in the mountian passes. The new 6.7L Cummins with the new transmission and Variable geometry turbo are really nice for towing, but use a bit more fuel. I have a few friends with the newer 6.7L trucks and they are nice, but I don't want to go into more debt when the 2005 is almost paid off and works great for me.

Before I had the Diesel truck and enclosed trailer, I had to borrow my friends 18' open trailer and I had towed it with several vehicles including my 1984 RamCharger 4x4, 1986 Ram 150 4x4, and a 2002 Ram 1500 with the 4.7L.
The RamChargers suspension and wheelbase made towing a challange even though I used it to tow my '69 Coronet Convertible from the coast of Utah to Colorado, but the 318 was struggling on the passes and overheated several times. The 1986 Ram 150 towed pretty good, just need to keep it under 90 MPH while towing. It's sort of scarry looking in the rear view mirror at the trailer swaying almost sideways at you! The 2002 Ram 1500 towed good with no real issues, but the 4.7L would down shift alot when going up hills.

Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: 451Mopar] #193567
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would love to have a 3500 cummins to tow my stuff
prices on diesels are nuts and on every truck that have a total weight of over 7700lbs you must have a "truck" driver licens and thats expensive and if you have a trailer after the truck you must have a aditional trailer licens
to get those licens that is anything between 25-50k skr ( 3000-6000$) in fees /driving lessons etc ......
so i just stay whit a 1500

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Re: How many towing race car with a 1/2 ton P.U.?? [Re: Tobbe] #193568
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the green truck is my dadīs

the red is mine

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As stated before, good trailer brakes are a must when towing with a 1/2 ton truck. Another consideration is to keep the total weight down. I seldom travelled with more than a tool box and a cooler with my '99 Dakota, 2100 lb. trailer, and 2700 lb. Duster. That's why I am always hanging with RBDuster and Jeff Russell at the races, I can sponge their awning shade, chairs, generator, jacks, etc.

Another comment on the Dakota, I do not consider it even a 1/2 ton, the 5.2 engine is adequate, but the brakes and suspension are better suited for commuting. Even with 25 bags of mulch on board, this truck is scary. I would have gotten rid of it long ago, but it is my daily driver.

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