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Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #193313
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the solonoid just kills off the alternator...you could run some other things thru it like ignition feed but thats always better off the switch direct to the battery...

theres never a hot lead to the starter...battery to one side of switch...other side to starter..remember we are using the solonoid to break the power coming from the alternator..

when the switch is off..its all dead from the battery..

as far as wire size...the 2 yellows I parralleld from the solonoid because I ran out of the larger gauge that I used from the alternator...I want to say thats a #6 wire to the alternator...#2's to the starter and from the battery...

you can buy wire kits for remote batteries..maybe my background of being an electrician sorta helps..I know it looks like a mess but if you saw it or being there helps...pics somehow dont always show the exact detail...

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: smokinwoody] #193314
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Doug, I'm guessing the mad electric wire kit comes with the less expensive relay. I've used some of the cheapest relays ever and never had an issue with the relays. I ALWAYS carried a spare.

I generally wire it like the first diagram and use two relays. One for the starter and wired like the diagram. The second I remove the alt wire from the starter relay in the first diagram and run it like the 3rd diagram with the s605.

Once the car starts, the only two hot wires to the front run to the starter relay lug and the alternator wire.

The starter wire/cable is only hot when the key is in the start position.

Hope that helps. It's a bit of a hybrid of the two as I don't like any of the three on a standalone basis. My thinking is that once you throw the cut off, everything beyond the switch and relays should be dead. Keep anything hot contained to a small area in the trunk.

Revised the way I like to wire them up.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: RobX4406] #193315
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so you can't run a bat cutoff switch effectively and pass tech without buying relays and or solenoids? sorry guys

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: dirtybee] #193316
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sure you can...we just got more creative..

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: smokinwoody] #193317
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ok i've been warned at the track already, how should i run the wires 'cause i don't think the instructions that came with the switch to just interupt the pos batt cable with the switch will be adequet? do i just also run the alt batt wire back to the switch then back forward to the factory batt term on the firewall to basically interupt this circuit with the switch as well? again, sorry i'm a bit thick on this

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: dirtybee] #193318
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follow the schematics that Rob posted

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: smokinwoody] #193319
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Wire it like the second schematic if you don't want to spend about $30 on the relays.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: RobX4406] #193320
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Not to hijack this post, but Ive got a question. Last time out at TRP, (Wade,you might take note) they gritched because my shut off didnt kill the motor.(I figured they would sooner or later) Anyway, why cant I just run the charge wire from the alt to the pos side of the batter? Wouldnt that kill everything when the switch is turned off?

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Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: Von] #193321
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yes but the positive at the alternator will be hot...thats why I have a solonoid..

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: smokinwoody] #193322
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yes but the positive at the alternator will be hot...thats why I have a solonoid..





OK. If I run the charge wire from the alt to the battery side of the shutoff wouldnt that kill everything?


72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72. Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: Von] #193323
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it should

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: dirtybee] #193324
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ok i've been warned at the track already, how should i run the wires 'cause i don't think the instructions that came with the switch to just interupt the pos batt cable with the switch will be adequet? do i just also run the alt batt wire back to the switch then back forward to the factory batt term on the firewall to basically interupt this circuit with the switch as well? again, sorry i'm a bit thick on this




The easy way, with no relays required.....

Disconnect the factory alternator(heavy b+) output wire from the alt.

Run a heavy wire/cable from the alt B+ to the battery positive terminal in the trunk (or the SAME side of the switch that the battery positive is on)

In review....2 pole switch.
One side has the alt B+ wire, AND the batt pos on it.
The other side has the cable that goes up to the starter solenoid,(where the factory pos wire used to go)

It's really that simple.

No relays, only one extra wire, it'll shut the car off every time, and pass tech every time.

The rules state that electrical function must cease, and it all does.

Think of it this way. The car needs B+ to run.
The batt OR the alt can provide B+
By putting them both on the SAME side of the switch, you isolate them both from the rest of the car when you throw the switch.

The other benefit, your ammeter is now bypassed. no chance of melting anything.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: Von] #193325
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yes and yes...as long as its the battery side of the switch

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: dave571] #193326
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ok i've been warned at the track already, how should i run the wires 'cause i don't think the instructions that came with the switch to just interupt the pos batt cable with the switch will be adequet? do i just also run the alt batt wire back to the switch then back forward to the factory batt term on the firewall to basically interupt this circuit with the switch as well? again, sorry i'm a bit thick on this




The easy way, with no relays required.....

Disconnect the factory alternator(heavy b+) output wire from the alt.

Run a heavy wire/cable from the alt B+ to the battery positive terminal in the trunk (or the SAME side of the switch that the battery positive is on)

In review....2 pole switch.
One side has the alt B+ wire, AND the batt pos on it.
The other side has the cable that goes up to the starter solenoid,(where the factory pos wire used to go)

It's really that simple.

No relays, only one extra wire, it'll shut the car off every time, and pass tech every time.

The rules state that electrical function must cease, and it all does.

Think of it this way. The car needs B+ to run.
The batt OR the alt can provide B+
By putting them both on the SAME side of the switch, you isolate them both from the rest of the car when you throw the switch.

The other benefit, your ammeter is now bypassed. no chance of melting anything.


Exactly like I said above.


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Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: dave571] #193327
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The easy way, with no relays required.....

Disconnect the factory alternator(heavy b+) output wire from the alt.

Run a heavy wire/cable from the alt B+ to the battery positive terminal in the trunk (or the SAME side of the switch that the battery positive is on)

In review....2 pole switch.
One side has the alt B+ wire, AND the batt pos on it.
The other side has the cable that goes up to the starter solenoid,(where the factory pos wire used to go)

It's really that simple.






Thats the way I did it. Battery and 1 wire alternator wire to one side of switch and everything else to the other side of switch. Why would you do it any other way? Is there any advantage to using all the selenoids?

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: Mopar_Ray] #193328
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Thats the way I was going to do it....But the wire to the Alt. will be hot all the time, even when main is in the off position.
I also have the one wire Alt. does it matter if this is hot all the time, or do I need a soleniod???
Thanks,
Ed

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: dave571] #193329
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ok, i finally get it. i did say i was a bit thick. don't know why i didn't get the diagram the first time. thanks to all. you guys rule

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: RobX4406] #193330
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Doug, I'm guessing the mad electric wire kit comes with the less expensive relay. I've used some of the cheapest relays ever and never had an issue with the relays. I ALWAYS carried a spare.

I generally wire it like the first diagram and use two relays. One for the starter and wired like the diagram. The second I remove the alt wire from the starter relay in the first diagram and run it like the 3rd diagram with the s605.

Once the car starts, the only two hot wires to the front run to the starter relay lug and the alternator wire.

The starter wire/cable is only hot when the key is in the start position.

Hope that helps. It's a bit of a hybrid of the two as I don't like any of the three on a standalone basis. My thinking is that once you throw the cut off, everything beyond the switch and relays should be dead. Keep anything hot contained to a small area in the trunk.

Revised the way I like to wire them up.







Rob,,,,
Is there an advantage to running TWO relays,,,,
Wouldnt the pic below be OK ?
Sorry,,,i am learning here,,,,
Seems like the same thing ??
(ps,,in your pic,,you have 2 "different" relays,,one a "ford" the other a sBorg ? (is there a difference,,),,again forgive my electrical knowledge,,







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Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #193331
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in your pic Doug...the power from the battery will remain hot at the alternator...and yes there is a way to do this with one solonoid and not have a hot wire passed the battery...

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: smokinwoody] #193332
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Funny how confusing and difficult some people can make something so easy.

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