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Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: Leon441] #1928003
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Originally Posted By Leon441
You guys are gonna make me choke laughing!

Jrobbob or whatever can't remember through his hook in the pond with the most pitiful bait he could dig out the horses stall. A little challenge to Monte and someone else. Monte grabs that hook chomps hard and takes off with it. I'm an eager fish too, not talking smack. Then the pointless debates are on like donkey Kong.

Monte, take some advise from someone else who is also proud with tender toes. Let it go.
He wised off and brought me in the argument for NO reason Leon..........and you KNOW me. I am NOT gonna let that go without saying something.......LOL!!!! I only said the same as others and I got singled out, just made me feel special I guess.....HaHa.

And this EMC class was designed for stuff exactly like this. A place for Kaase, Judson and others to "go crazy" on something totally off the wall and see what if. I think it's very cool, but just very impractical, unless you have time and money to burn and I don't really see where anybody is not agreeing with that summation. Kinda like the guys who drop 40K on a killer flathead. Very cool, very expensive, lots of fun, just not something many others will try and duplicate

Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: Leon441] #1928114
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Originally Posted By Leon441
You guys are gonna make me choke laughing!

Jrobbob or whatever can't remember through his hook in the pond with the most pitiful bait he could dig out the horses stall. A little challenge to Monte and someone else. Monte grabs that hook chomps hard and takes off with it. I'm an eager fish too, not talking smack. Then the pointless debates are on like donkey Kong.

Monte, take some advise from someone else who is also proud with tender toes. Let it go.


No offense,but can you explain what you just said in laymen terms??

Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: theraif] #1928131
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What's funny: back in the day the Dodge poly was the fastest.


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Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: cudaman1969] #1928136
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Originally Posted By cudaman1969
Originally Posted By Leon441
You guys are gonna make me choke laughing!

Jrobbob or whatever can't remember through his hook in the pond with the most pitiful bait he could dig out the horses stall. A little challenge to Monte and someone else. Monte grabs that hook chomps hard and takes off with it. I'm an eager fish too, not talking smack. Then the pointless debates are on like donkey Kong.

Monte, take some advise from someone else who is also proud with tender toes. Let it go.


No offense,but can you explain what you just said in laymen terms??

Now THAT's funny... F'burg VA can't understand what Lynchburg VA is saying! wink

Brad from Sterling VA

Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: BradH] #1928282
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Originally Posted By BradH
Originally Posted By cudaman1969
Originally Posted By Leon441
You guys are gonna make me choke laughing!

Jrobbob or whatever can't remember through his hook in the pond with the most pitiful bait he could dig out the horses stall. A little challenge to Monte and someone else. Monte grabs that hook chomps hard and takes off with it. I'm an eager fish too, not talking smack. Then the pointless debates are on like donkey Kong.

Monte, take some advise from someone else who is also proud with tender toes. Let it go.


No offense,but can you explain what you just said in laymen terms??

Now THAT's funny... F'burg VA can't understand what Lynchburg VA is saying! wink
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Brad from Sterling VA

Thought the border was farther north??? Lol

Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: theraif] #1928381
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All these Engine Masters engines have custom headers, intakes, camshafts, tuning etc. Doesn't that mean that it all boils down to a cylinder head competition of some sort? Perhaps they should have an OE Iron Head class? Keep in mind that these poly heads were designed for a 277-318 cubic inch engine! Does it really matter what some other engine/head combo can make? If we go that route all engines with a camshaft in the block are junk!
For those who want to say someone shouldn't build a certain engine type, you should really look into a small block chevy. They're cheap to build and can make about as much power as you want. stirthepot

Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: theraif] #1928491
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http://www.hotrod.com/events/1510-vintage-mopar-power-550hp-chrysler-poly-318-v8-on-the-dyno/

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The heads and valve layout was something that we could make work, and we did end up with 340 cfm by the time we were done.


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On the dyno, SAM’s 402-cube Poly showed 547 peak horsepower at 5,800 rpm, while torque came in strong and early, registering 566 lb-ft at 3,800 rpm.


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Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: theraif] #1928505
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Would a single plane intake produce better numbers than the isolated runners? I remember the isolated runner intakes on the 60s era Hemis had a lot of gas stand off over carbs, not sure if this happens with fuel injection, but seems like they would work the same when valve closes.

Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: BBR] #1928537
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Now it's time to test it with a real camshaft. I assume the duration numbers (230/234) are @ 0.050"


Originally Posted By BBR
http://www.hotrod.com/events/1510-vintage-mopar-power-550hp-chrysler-poly-318-v8-on-the-dyno/

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The heads and valve layout was something that we could make work, and we did end up with 340 cfm by the time we were done.


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On the dyno, SAM’s 402-cube Poly showed 547 peak horsepower at 5,800 rpm, while torque came in strong and early, registering 566 lb-ft at 3,800 rpm.



Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: theraif] #1928552
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FYI - Vintage class rules specify a min of 3000 and a max of 6000 rpm for the dyno pulls.


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Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: theraif] #1928645
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550 hp is pretty impressive for that small of a cam. If there head flow numbers are accurate they could possibly twist 700+hp out of that boat anchor! I really want to see what they did to those heads.

Re: SAM Engine Masters Challenge Chrysler Poly 402ci [Re: BBR] #1928682
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Originally Posted By BBR
FYI - Vintage class rules specify a min of 3000 and a max of 6000 rpm for the dyno pulls.


As clearly stated at the linked web site in the very first post. Class winner was a similar size engine with more camshaft and not a lot more power. It seems to me that 3k-6k is too high for daily driving and too low for a race engine. I'm not an EM geek but have looked over results and specs and it seems that most engine builders use similar camshaft durations, I assume to tune where the torque and power peaks are to best fit the specified rpm range. I wonder if another 15-degrees of duration would have produced the same power and torque as the other guys.

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