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Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? #1910852
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So I started looking around for some paint to use (B7). Figured I'd go with PPG BUT they only have b7 in Omni and shop line. Well wouldn't you know that everybody talks about how bad they both are. I was told to use the Omni and then use Deltron Clear but I don't know after the bad reviews of the cheaper paint. I figured I would go with PPG because I figured they had the original formula for B7 and closest matching to original color. I even heard Dupont aint that good no more. Any other paints I should consider? Thanks

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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1910855
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Do not use Omni.. It has less solids and when sprayed it goes everywhere but on the car..
Bottom of my car is Omni, my painter is still cleaning up the mess in his booth from it....

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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1910884
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Any paint store worth 2 cents can supply the same color in the better quality paints. I used Deltron on my charger 22 years ago and it still looks awesome. The cheaper lines are for collision shops that are trying to maximize their profit margin due to being controlled by the insurance companies.
After getting SEVERELY BURNED panic by a paint counterman's advice years ago, I then chose to go to the local paint rep for whatever brand you choose, I tell him what I am doing, and ask their advice. They normally recommend their more expensive line as I want it to last. if one doubts what they say, check the MFR's compatibility information and you will typically find that the cheaper base coats are not compatible with the more expensive topcoats, Regardless what the 15$ and hour counter man recommends. Contact the local rep, ask his opinion, get his advice, and follow it to the letter, from the bare steel, primers, sealers etc. Unless of course your just Flipping the car to maximize your profit.

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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1910894
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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: TJP] #1910908
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Local ppg seller told me the same thing years ago. Only a few 1970 colors are available in base clear, but several more were available in single stage and the Delstar enamel system. Maybe buy a small batch of the paint in another line and then pay them to mix up some base that matches the color? It may take several test spray out cards and trips to the paint store to get there though.

If you have an original part that has B7 on it they can work from that as well.

SPI makes a polyurethane clear that can be applied over other base coats. People who have used it claim it lays down smoother and sands and buffs out easier than the fast drying bodyshop production clears.

Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: Neil] #1910961
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Ok. Omni and shop line is made by PPG and so is Deltron. PPG doesn't offer B7 in Deltron so maybe I just call PPG up and ask them what to do???

Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1910976
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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: RSNOMO] #1910994
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This is Omni Base with PPG clear.

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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: HemiStan] #1910996
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This is also Omni with PPG clear.

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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: HemiStan] #1910997
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This is Omni single stage. Coverage was difficult but looked good.

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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: HemiStan] #1910999
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This is PPG single stage.

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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1911007
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Omni base coat with Omni clear coat.
the paint is 15 years old with 50K miles on it.
it's exactly the same paint you can buy today.



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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1911034
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Sprayed this pickup 10 years ago with Omni single stage and mixed clear with it 50/50 on the last coat. Came out beautiful and is still going strong.



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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1911044
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You can get any paint to look good...Prep and finish work will determine how good...And if the vehicle is never outside it'll last longer...But there's a reason the cheaper paint is cheaper...
We've shot omni on quite a few vehicles but not on restos worthy of a full teardown...Any good resto shop will never point the customer in the cheaper line's direction...It chips very easily and simply won't stand the test of time exposed to the elements and "normal use"... Not to mention the already stated differences...

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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1911053
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Thanks everybody and Stan those cars look good. What do you guys use on rest cars screamindriver?

Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1911240
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Autocolorlibrary/TCP global has all the codes and will mix PPG or their house brand in any OE color. I used PPG base/clear on my Challenger and house brand on DD's and a PU. I have been well satisfied.

http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/

Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: ahy] #1911291
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I've used Dupont Imron for decades, and am starting to run low. My main concern has been toughness and durability outdoors. It doesn't look too bad for my use. So Friday I drop by local paint supply house, and what I have used in past is long gone, closest product replacement in a Dupont? Urethane, is now approx $434/gal (paint/activator). Ouch. eek


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Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1911308
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Man! Ok Even though you can't get b7 in the Deltron TCP global can mix the B7 in the Deltron themselves?

Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1911310
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My brother got 2 cheaper line of b7 to test spay on gray primer. Nason and Sherman and they both were a different shade of blue. Ive seen 5 cars with b7 and none of then we're the same color lol???

Re: Paint, paint, paint! Which to choose? [Re: 70RT Charger] #1911461
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Been painting for 30 years running my own shop, paint has changed a lot in the last 5 years, have tried many brands and types. Most relevant to good paint job is good prep, cleaning and a good spray gun. Restoring cars full time for last 17 years. Solid colour I spray Nason single stage,4 to 6 coats, Metallic colour Nason base/clear, 2 to 4 base, 3 to 5 clear. Everyone wants something different out off their paint. This Cuda was just done in single stage Nason, looks great, everyone that sees it says base/clear, cut and polished, NO, single stage right out of the gun, not polished. Lost pics of it but sold my 75 Power Wagon last fall, Forest Green single stage done 4 1/2 years outside all the time, never waxed, guy that purchased it thought it had been just painted, these results with with so called cheap paint, it prep and equipment

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