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Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Saint Crispan] #190372
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I've always clean the metal down as much as possible before using any filler. I have used filler to hide a few small pin holes but these were on a beater driver. I also have cut out rot and used sheet metal and liquid nails to hold the new metal inplace, the smoothed it over w/ filler. Again not a show car, just a racer that didn't have to look that great. If this is nace car and you want to keeep it, do it right and see a body man.

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #190373
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I'm a big fan of that expanding foam in a can. Just fill in the entire hole with it making sure that you have enough that it expands through the hole. After it hardens, you can sand it and shape it to the contour of the metal around it. A little glaze, a little primer, and it'll be as good as new. As a side benefit, it also provides some insulation in that area of the panel.


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Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: 6PakBee] #190374
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I'm a big fan of that expanding foam in a can. Just fill in the entire hole with it making sure that you have enough that it expands through the hole. After it hardens, you can sand it and shape it to the contour of the metal around it. A little glaze, a little primer, and it'll be as good as new. As a side benefit, it also provides some insulation in that area of the panel.



I had a buddy do that to a 78 -79 volare to get it thru inspection...although he just cut it w/ a big knife and sanded it down flat and spray bombed right over it/

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #190375
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A guy I know used the spray foam on the rotted cab corners of his chevy truck, looked good at first, but that stuff always keeps expanding, especially when it gets hot out. Eventually the "repair" pops.

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Saint Crispan] #190376
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If you put bondo over primer, will it stay? Or does it have to be strictly stripped metal?





I have never been a filler over any type of primer guy. Just the thought of trapping any uncured solvents under filler stops me right there.
I pulled this from another site. It pretty well confirms my thoughts.

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"OK--Here's the gospel on body filler/bondo over primer. I used to work as a technical/sales rep for the company that makes rage filler. I know the guys (chemists) that developed the resin for rage filler. I've been a bodyman/painter,sales rep and technical rep for 30 years. The resin in rage and other body fillers is fiberglass (polyester) resin. Today's resin technology makes the adhesion of these new resins as good or better than most epoxy adhesives (glue). They are designed to really stick! Also they are somewhat flexible when used properly. Most or probably all filler manufacturers design and reccommend them to be used over clean and prepped (grinding with course-36 grit) and rust free (sandblasted)and dry (free from moisture) BARE metal. They will stick to epoxy primers with mechanical adhesion-they DO NOT chemically bond with epoxies. If you put filler over epoxy primer it has to be fully cured with no solvents (thinner-reducer) left in the primer and still should be sanded with a course grit and cleaned. In other words- It's a wasted step that may or may not cause adhesion problems later on."



Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: TMP66] #190377
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In the recent issue of Mopar Action in an article about secrets of professional body shops it states to never put body filler on bare metal....what gives?

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: 6pkaar] #190378
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I did not know using bondo was a sin? If the hole is deep enough with enough contours and you think it will stay in there then good. Go with your gut feeling. You treated the metal down in the hole so it should not rust anymore (theoretically). It's your ride do as you wish. My ride may not be perfect to some but I will be the one having some fun. Jay Good luck with your project I know I'll need some.

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: ONEBADBIRD] #190379
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I did not know using bondo was a sin? If the hole is deep enough with enough contours and you think it will stay in there then good. Go with your gut feeling. You treated the metal down in the hole so it should not rust anymore (theoretically). It's your ride do as you wish. My ride may not be perfect to some but I will be the one having some fun. Jay Good luck with your project I know I'll need some.




The trouble is normal body filler is not truly waterproof. Moisture can penetrate it and can cause problems down the road. If you elect to go this route, make sure you use something truly waterproof such as fiberglass matting and resin. Your local autobody store should also have some speciality bodyfillers which are waterproof.

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: ONEBADBIRD] #190380
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I did not know using bondo was a sin? If the hole is deep enough with enough contours and you think it will stay in there then good. Go with your gut feeling. You treated the metal down in the hole so it should not rust anymore (theoretically).



I don't think rust would be the problem. If bondo is simply used to plug a hole of any size, without something for it to hold on to besides the circumfrence of the hole, is not matter of IF it will hold; it will eventually break out. Unless of course you put some newspaper or rags behind it

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: DAYCLONA] #190381
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I was going to suggest some waded newspaper, or perhaps doing the repair correctly using and old street sign to fill the hole?....I don't know why he's using spraycans?.....a paint roller works just fine, maybe even blot it on with a paint sponge from HomeDepot.......perhaps you use this technique too?.......hence the need for


When the fixed the Levey that broke in new orleans they stuffed the cracks with newspaper at the expantion joints and then spread some sealer on it! Since they were out of what they were supossed to use

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Scott Carl] #190382
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Well I think after everybody's input we have our answer. Some good quality newspaper, A decent sized heavy guage road sign, and some water resistant bondo OH!!! I mean glazing putty. Which gives us a professionally fixed hole no matter what it is? You guys are great. Jay

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: ONEBADBIRD] #190383
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No one suggested lead? The times they are a changing.


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Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: denfireguy] #190384
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Lot of good suggestions here. I already knew the "right" answer, obviously the best thing to do is to cut out the bad metal and weld in good metal.

But I don't have a welding rig, and I don't see me dropping the $$$ to pick one up anytime soon.

The second best answer was to cut a piece of metal, and solder it in place. My soldering iron is only about 35W, so I don't think I'll be able to do that, either.

This leaves me with the "Liquid Nails" option, which I think is probably how I will proceed. Does it have to be a street sign? Because I think that I can pick up a couple of sheets of heater duct metal and it'd work just as well.

Honorable (dishonorable?) mention goes to the guy who suggested squirting in the expanding insulation...I got a laugh out of it, but I can't see doing that. (Although, to a few elitists I'm sure that my bondo idea is the same thing. Take note: not all of us are professional bodymen, and for some of us, this is the first time we've tried this sort of project.)

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Saint Crispan] #190385
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you can use SEAM SEALER to permanantly hold your patch in place,every body guy o know says primer THEN puddy.

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: bonefish] #190386
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I used heating duct and the liquid nails for metal on a 68 dart. don't go crazy w/ it and wipe off as much as you can before it sets. It drys HARD and can be a MoFo to sand down...I used a grinder.

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #190387
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Hey, it's your car. I still love my Father to death, even though he still pop rivets his sheet metal work, and goops it with mud. I cringe when I look at it. But, like you, he isn't a bodyman, he has no welder, no training, and his Son couldn't find the time to do it right for him. So I don't judge, and no one here should judge you either.

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: 4BBodies] #190388
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Saint Crispan,

I had to throw the "newspaper" thing in just cuz somebody already had LOL. No offence intended. Anyway, I know where you are coming from. I'm doing my Challenger on the low buget plan myself and I think what I would do considering the lack of wleding resources is just what you are planning. In addition, I would suggest when you glue your backing in, to try to leave a little gap at the edges of the hole. This would in effect give the bondo a place to squeeze in behind the parent metal and act like a flange for the bondo patch. Also, as it was in deed part of you original question, I share the opinion that bondo sticks best to bare roughed up metal. Hope this helps and good luck on your project

Disclaimer: I'm not a body man; I don't even play one on TV But I've spent 40+ years DYI-ing. You learn what works and what don't after about 39 years YMMV

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Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Scott Carl] #190389
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I bought my el-cheapo wire fed unit form Harbor Freight for $179. It works well on small stuff, spot welds, stitch welds, exhaust....

Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Saint Crispan] #190390
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.....Honorable (dishonorable?) mention goes to the guy who suggested squirting in the expanding insulation...I got a laugh out of it, but I can't see doing that. ......




I was hoping someone saw the sarcastic humor in that. I've seen that trick done and it is without a doubt one of the sleaziest moves anyone can do.


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Re: Bondo over primer? Will it stay? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #190391
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Thanks for the advice, all. Just for good measure, I decided to take some shots of the holes in question:

Drivers side (shot 1)

Driver's side (shot 2)

Passenger's side (shot 1)

Passenger's side (shot 2)

These I think I can slip a little sheet metal behind.

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