Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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Ok I will start fabricating for vertical mounts, I have to decide front or rear of housing.
Standard shocks are developed for the rear of the diff.. just something to think about
Just wondering out loud, if it's such a big difference in valving from front to back of the rear. On a truck where they mount them on both sides of the rear they don't spec a shock for either side.
No they dont... but they arent race shocks either.. can they work in the front.. maybe.. depends on the load applied to them... the shock in front will travel less distance vs being in back
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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So running the shock up front with a leaf spring combo would gain no advantage?
Stock leafs or superstock springs probably not. But do a search on bullet or few other sites, you will see the really fast leaf cars with mono's and caltracks or smith bars are running them in front.
Who? That's not what I see at the track. The baddest leaf car around is likely Rhodes, his are in the rear. It's all about leverage and the farther from the pivot point(front of spring) the more control you have of that leverage
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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So running the shock up front with a leaf spring combo would gain no advantage?
Stock leafs or superstock springs probably not. But do a search on bullet or few other sites, you will see the really fast leaf cars with mono's and caltracks or smith bars are running them in front.
Who? That's not what I see at the track. The baddest leaf car around is likely Rhodes, his are in the rear. It's all about leverage and the farther from the pivot point(front of spring) the more control you have of that leverage
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Thanks for calling me out Monte, simply stating what I found in searching on this subject. I dont have names, most people on these sites post using silly screen name like I do. I was very curious on this exact subject so I spent some time searching it on the web as I am building a new car for no other reason than my own personal satisfaction. I am not a 100th as deep in this sport as you so again thanks. What I thought before I did the search was that it stands to reason that a shock mounted in front of the axel may need to be valved a bit stiffer or diferently than a shock mounted behing the axel based on leverage. The logic behind my statment was simply a stock or even for that matter a supserstock leaf spring without a Caltrack or Smith bar type settup has a lot of flex and axel wrap and it probably wouldnt make much difference if the shock was in front or behind the axel. I was just curious why so many were putting them in front instead when equiped with a traction aid like the calvert or smith. Again this is just based on what I saw on the damn internet.
The shocks job is to control the housing and that control does not include rotation.......THAT is the job of the spring or the traction device. At the hit, the power is basically trying to "throw" the housing out from under the car. The job of the shock is to control this action and the reaction. If your front mounted shock is also in a position that it is attempting to control housing twist, your housing control is seriously diminished. So to combat this, you stiffen the front of the spring by whatever means and let the shock do what the shock does.
As to whether a car CAME with the shock in front or behind the housing from the factory, has to do with ONE thing and that is where was it the easiest to place. Has nothing to do with what works better
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
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When I moved my leafs inboard on my Challenger I went verticle with my shocks also at the same time.
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: Porter67]
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I tried to read this through but how much travel would one need mounting them vert?
Ive the 9 way ranchos still new that came with the monos and caltracks and a pair of Qa1 doubles and they are both 13.5 inches in the body length and if I mounted them on the caltack plates I would have 4.5-5 inches at rest.
Is that enough with the mono springs? Since I looked at the lower mounting kit from jegs the dam things have went up $5 in the last 7 months so if I need them for more room I will get them now. I don't think that 4 5 inches at rest is good and 2 inches seems enuff for compression generally with the junk I've worked on and others I've eeen.
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Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS.................
[Re: Porter67]
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Even street driving 2" of compression has proven to be enuff for me and others I know leaving the rest for extension to avoid bottoming out.
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