Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 8 of 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1555861
03/31/15 05:34 PM
03/31/15 05:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,009
Covington Georgia
RV2 Offline
master
RV2  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,009
Covington Georgia
I have the rancho 9 way shocks

Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: 1967dartgt] #1555862
03/31/15 05:34 PM
03/31/15 05:34 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Ok I will start fabricating for vertical mounts, I have to decide front or rear of housing.




Standard shocks are developed for the rear of the diff..
just something to think about





Just wondering out loud, if it's such a big difference in valving from front to back of the rear. On a truck where they mount them on both sides of the rear they don't spec a shock for either side.




No they dont... but they arent race shocks either..
can they work in the front.. maybe.. depends on the
load applied to them... the shock in front will travel
less distance vs being in back

Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Quickrunner] #1555863
04/01/15 12:11 AM
04/01/15 12:11 AM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
M
Monte_Smith Offline
master
Monte_Smith  Offline
master
M

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
Quote:

Quote:

So running the shock up front with a leaf spring combo would gain no advantage?




Stock leafs or superstock springs probably not. But do a search on bullet or few other sites, you will see the really fast leaf cars with mono's and caltracks or smith bars are running them in front.


Who? That's not what I see at the track. The baddest leaf car around is likely Rhodes, his are in the rear. It's all about leverage and the farther from the pivot point(front of spring) the more control you have of that leverage

Monte

Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Monte_Smith] #1555864
04/01/15 01:38 PM
04/01/15 01:38 PM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 625
Indianapolis In. usa
Quickrunner Offline
mopar
Quickrunner  Offline
mopar

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 625
Indianapolis In. usa
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

So running the shock up front with a leaf spring combo would gain no advantage?




Stock leafs or superstock springs probably not. But do a search on bullet or few other sites, you will see the really fast leaf cars with mono's and caltracks or smith bars are running them in front.


Who? That's not what I see at the track. The baddest leaf car around is likely Rhodes, his are in the rear. It's all about leverage and the farther from the pivot point(front of spring) the more control you have of that leverage

Monte




Thanks for calling me out Monte, simply stating what I found in searching on this subject. I dont have names, most people on these sites post using silly screen name like I do. I was very curious on this exact subject so I spent some time searching it on the web as I am building a new car for no other reason than my own personal satisfaction. I am not a 100th as deep in this sport as you so again thanks. What I thought before I did the search was that it stands to reason that a shock mounted in front of the axel may need to be valved a bit stiffer or diferently than a shock mounted behing the axel based on leverage. The logic behind my statment was simply a stock or even for that matter a supserstock leaf spring without a Caltrack or Smith bar type settup has a lot of flex and axel wrap and it probably wouldnt make much difference if the shock was in front or behind the axel. I was just curious why so many were putting them in front instead when equiped with a traction aid like the calvert or smith. Again this is just based on what I saw on the damn internet.


05 Ram 1500 Daytona package
71 Demon Gen3 hemi drag radial project



Missin' my 9 second 70 runner!
Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Quickrunner] #1555865
04/01/15 02:57 PM
04/01/15 02:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
M
Monte_Smith Offline
master
Monte_Smith  Offline
master
M

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,890
North Alabama
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

So running the shock up front with a leaf spring combo would gain no advantage?




Stock leafs or superstock springs probably not. But do a search on bullet or few other sites, you will see the really fast leaf cars with mono's and caltracks or smith bars are running them in front.


Who? That's not what I see at the track. The baddest leaf car around is likely Rhodes, his are in the rear. It's all about leverage and the farther from the pivot point(front of spring) the more control you have of that leverage

Monte




Thanks for calling me out Monte, simply stating what I found in searching on this subject. I dont have names, most people on these sites post using silly screen name like I do. I was very curious on this exact subject so I spent some time searching it on the web as I am building a new car for no other reason than my own personal satisfaction. I am not a 100th as deep in this sport as you so again thanks. What I thought before I did the search was that it stands to reason that a shock mounted in front of the axel may need to be valved a bit stiffer or diferently than a shock mounted behing the axel based on leverage. The logic behind my statment was simply a stock or even for that matter a supserstock leaf spring without a Caltrack or Smith bar type settup has a lot of flex and axel wrap and it probably wouldnt make much difference if the shock was in front or behind the axel. I was just curious why so many were putting them in front instead when equiped with a traction aid like the calvert or smith. Again this is just based on what I saw on the damn internet.


The shocks job is to control the housing and that control does not include rotation.......THAT is the job of the spring or the traction device. At the hit, the power is basically trying to "throw" the housing out from under the car. The job of the shock is to control this action and the reaction. If your front mounted shock is also in a position that it is attempting to control housing twist, your housing control is seriously diminished. So to combat this, you stiffen the front of the spring by whatever means and let the shock do what the shock does.

As to whether a car CAME with the shock in front or behind the housing from the factory, has to do with ONE thing and that is where was it the easiest to place. Has nothing to do with what works better

Monte

Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Monte_Smith] #1555866
04/01/15 08:10 PM
04/01/15 08:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,009
Covington Georgia
RV2 Offline
master
RV2  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,009
Covington Georgia
Thanks for clearing this up Monte

Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: RV2] #1555867
04/02/15 06:33 PM
04/02/15 06:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,540
Motor City
6
6PKRTSE Offline
master
6PKRTSE  Offline
master
6

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,540
Motor City
When I moved my leafs inboard on my Challenger I went verticle with my shocks also at the same time.

8479004-100_1716.JPG (122 downloads)

1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Thumperdart] #1806373
04/18/15 05:34 PM
04/18/15 05:34 PM
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 5,183
P
Porter67 Offline
master
Porter67  Offline
master
P

Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 5,183
I tried to read this through but how much travel would one need mounting them vert?

Ive the 9 way ranchos still new that came with the monos and caltracks and a pair of Qa1 doubles and they are both 13.5 inches in the body length and if I mounted them on the caltack plates I would have 4.5-5 inches at rest.

Is that enough with the mono springs? Since I looked at the lower mounting kit from jegs the dam things have went up $5 in the last 7 months so if I need them for more room I will get them now.

Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Porter67] #1807014
04/19/15 04:44 PM
04/19/15 04:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,317
State of confusion
T
Thumperdart Offline OP
I Live Here
Thumperdart  Offline OP
I Live Here
T

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,317
State of confusion
Originally Posted By Porter67
I tried to read this through but how much travel would one need mounting them vert?

Ive the 9 way ranchos still new that came with the monos and caltracks and a pair of Qa1 doubles and they are both 13.5 inches in the body length and if I mounted them on the caltack plates I would have 4.5-5 inches at rest.

Is that enough with the mono springs? Since I looked at the lower mounting kit from jegs the dam things have went up $5 in the last 7 months so if I need them for more room I will get them now.


I don't think that 4 5 inches at rest is good and 2 inches seems enuff for compression generally with the junk I've worked on and others I've eeen.


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Thumperdart] #1881657
07/30/15 06:05 PM
07/30/15 06:05 PM
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 5,183
P
Porter67 Offline
master
Porter67  Offline
master
P

Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 5,183
Im on the tail end of my bracket car and will have the coil over like mounts to weld on the dana this weekend and have a few questions id like some input on.

Does the position of the vert. shocks further outward vs more centered like a ladder bar car make a huge difference?

The QA1 doubles are like 15 inches closed, 24 open so what would be a good resting extension?

This is a simple bracket/street thrasher with a std. 550hp stroker-150 shot plate kit 5k vert, 4:56 spooled dana on monos-caltracks and 275/60 hoosier drag radials trying to set up for the 1/8, not the 1/4.

DSC00080.JPGDSC00081.JPG
Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Porter67] #1882481
07/31/15 09:37 PM
07/31/15 09:37 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,317
State of confusion
T
Thumperdart Offline OP
I Live Here
Thumperdart  Offline OP
I Live Here
T

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,317
State of confusion
Even street driving 2" of compression has proven to be enuff for me and others I know leaving the rest for extension to avoid bottoming out.


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Thumperdart] #1882721
08/01/15 04:13 AM
08/01/15 04:13 AM
Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 5,183
P
Porter67 Offline
master
Porter67  Offline
master
P

Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 5,183
Thanks for the input thumper. I think I can wing it ok, im just a bit skidish about welding on the dana.

I will mock things up this weekend and might try to weight the trunk to get the same rollback on the rear sliders so I know how much things move on the launch.

I got the moroso braket kit today and its got like a six inch window for height adjustment so it should be easy to find a happy spot for them.

Re: NEED PICS OV VERTICALLY MOUNTED SHOCKS................. [Re: Porter67] #1882887
08/01/15 03:11 PM
08/01/15 03:11 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,317
State of confusion
T
Thumperdart Offline OP
I Live Here
Thumperdart  Offline OP
I Live Here
T

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,317
State of confusion
You can do it man.................. thumbs


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Page 8 of 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1