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Re: have ? about best combo [Re: rtstreet] #186198
01/07/09 12:17 PM
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I would say a small block may be the way to go looking at the mustangs for instance most of those run small blocks with chargers and are in the sevens or low eights depending on the class.

Re: have ? about best combo #186199
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The secret is in the Heads...Not sure the legal heads for a SB Mopar will get the job done personally. But I also thin Ryan or one of the SB head guys on here can better answer that.


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Re: have ? about best combo [Re: rtstreet] #186200
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will you run an A/W cooler?
big block and max flow cylinder head.

Re: have ? about best combo [Re: Al_Alguire] #186201
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Quote:

The secret is in the Heads...Not sure the legal heads for a SB Mopar will get the job done personally. But I also thin Ryan or one of the SB head guys on here can better answer that.




245RP CNC INDY -1 with a 2.15"/1.625" "can" flow over 360/260 & have 2.90" of intake port cross section so..... it's in between a Ported INDY SR + a Ported INDY 440-1 flow wise/size wise...that's about maxed out INDY SB head IMO.

If W9 is legal I'd just do a 9...

The F1R is the real limiting factor to whole deal. I'm not a "racer" just an engine clown, but my thoughts would be how much TQ would the big motor make with boost (tremendous amt)& how do you hook that on cal tracs with a 10.5. Would definitely have to be a glide at that point... Especially when talking a Cent blower that comes on harder than a turbo down low..... I kind of agree with Kenny do high RPM SB although I'd do the up to 400" deal....just for sheer fact of trying to get it to hook. Lightened race block with alum heads will be pretty light motor & still allow to move weight around to rear of car to make weight.

I don't think power with any of the combo's will be the problem... If the F1R can put out 15 PSI (double atmosphere), (it lists at 38 PSI but that is all dependant on engine size it is feeding) you should be able to make 1200 out of a INDY 365 or max the F1R out at 1300-1400 at 390-400 inches.

I'd just go with whatever you're more comfortable with.

Re: have ? about best combo [Re: RyanJ] #186202
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with the 525" making 1300HP it would take 16/18 psi i would think not having to stuff the extra psi into a smaller 368" that may need 25lbs to makeup for less cu.in.with a int gearing of 5.4/1 the pulleys would need 1.79/1 for 7,000 rpm at max rpm,flow and the F-1R at 68,000 rpm.
i just wanted to bring some info to the post to relate to.

Re: have ? about best combo [Re: blownzoom440] #186203
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with the 525" making 1300HP it would take 16/18 psi i would think not having to stuff the extra psi into a smaller 368" that may need 25lbs to makeup for less cu.in.with a int gearing of 5.4/1 the pulleys would need 1.79/1 for 7,000 rpm at max rpm,flow and the F-1R at 68,000 rpm.
i just wanted to bring some info to the post to relate to.




Customer of mine 3.33" Crank, 4.185 bore....367" motor.... 16 PSI boost 5.30 @ 131 @ 3450 lbs. I think you need to rethink you're 25 PSI on the SB idea to make power.

"Your HP computed from your vehicle ET is 1,172.86 flywheel HP
Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 1,205.30 flywheel HP"

Re: have ? about best combo [Re: RyanJ] #186204
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thanks!
the info is not exact that i posted. just my thaughts.i know there is a lot more invalved in predidcting the HP he wants.
not to steel the post but my engine dyno #.s were
985HP/930TQ at 6300 with .08 correction %.it is what it is.i just keep trying to make it better/tunning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYjTkyqrmk
thanks for all your input on posts!

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Re: have ? about best combo [Re: blownzoom440] #186205
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Was'nt picking on you, just stating that it does'nt take alot of boost to make big power if motor is decent piece head/cam wise. That engine only makes around 600-620 NA I bet.... but then you put 16 PSI of intercooled boost on it &.... you double the power. 25 PSI on that particular motor should be making I dunno around 1600 HP? He has turned boost up but it breaks drivetrain & does'nt hook.

I hope to have mine on the chassis dyno sometime in May/June to tune it. 394 inch with 15 PSI non intercooled. I would hope it puts around ~1000-1050 to tires in street trim (not a race motor)? We'll see. Really should'nt be much of a challenge, mine should be making at least 650-670 NA based on similar engines I've dynoed NA.

That would be one nice thing about a blower motor VS turbo, so much easier to dyno them. I'd really love to dyno my turbo motor on the SF902 but almost impossible. It would take a week to get it setup on dyno.... Blower motor would'nt be too tough at all.

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Re: have ? about best combo [Re: RyanJ] #186206
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i didn't think you were picking on me.
keep us posted on your outcome! take video.

Re: have ? about best combo [Re: blownzoom440] #186207
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I'm not arguing with anyone, just spouting so take it for what it's worth. I still think a big fat motor isn't going to see much boost out of that blower, and for sure no where near the rated boost. It for me would be easier to just leave the line at the rpm it would hold. I'm thinking very low rpms since the big block isn't going to be as peaky as the small block, so put a glide in it leave as high as it will take, maybe 3000 or lower rpm and the power would be pretty even coming on, and for sure not as much Tq loss at the shift. Like I said if it were a real big huffer then the 400 would for sure be as big as it would ever need.

Re: have ? about best combo [Re: blownzoom440] #186208
01/07/09 11:35 PM
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yes air to water, for now the 2400hp from procharger, and a chisled performance ice tank(we dont have the tank yet, anybody have one?)

Re: have ? about best combo [Re: RyanJ] #186209
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Quote:

Quote:

The secret is in the Heads...Not sure the legal heads for a SB Mopar will get the job done personally. But I also thin Ryan or one of the SB head guys on here can better answer that.




245RP CNC INDY -1 with a 2.15"/1.625" "can" flow over 360/260 & have 2.90" of intake port cross section so..... it's in between a Ported INDY SR + a Ported INDY 440-1 flow wise/size wise...that's about maxed out INDY SB head IMO.

If W9 is legal I'd just do a 9...

The F1R is the real limiting factor to whole deal. I'm not a "racer" just an engine clown, but my thoughts would be how much TQ would the big motor make with boost (tremendous amt)& how do you hook that on cal tracs with a 10.5. Would definitely have to be a glide at that point... Especially when talking a Cent blower that comes on harder than a turbo down low..... I kind of agree with Kenny do high RPM SB although I'd do the up to 400" deal....just for sheer fact of trying to get it to hook. Lightened race block with alum heads will be pretty light motor & still allow to move weight around to rear of car to make weight.

I don't think power with any of the combo's will be the problem... If the F1R can put out 15 PSI (double atmosphere), (it lists at 38 PSI but that is all dependant on engine size it is feeding) you should be able to make 1200 out of a INDY 365 or max the F1R out at 1300-1400 at 390-400 inches.

I'd just go with whatever you're more comfortable with.




with good intelligent discussion, like this, we can learn alot.
thanks keep it up, new wrinkles in the brain
p.s. everyone else to, i dont know how quote that many

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