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440 race street motor #184231
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We ran at the track yesterday. The car did fine until we got to the top of second gear and all the way through third there was a very slight miss just enough to here it. We can't find anything wrong don't know if it is gas or fire. Has anyone had anything like this before. The motor has all msd ignition it is a mild 440 with around 11 to 1 comp. 557 solid cam 1150 dominator.It has a torqueflite. What do you think?

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: bobs69] #184232
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I'm no guru but with the displacement and cam you stated I'ld say you have to big a carb on it.

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: WILD BILL] #184233
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I'm no guru but with the displacement and cam you stated I'ld say you have to big a carb on it.




My mild 440 has the .557 cam with 906 heads and 10.0 comp. I use a basic 850 DP on it and it seems to work fine. I agree it seems like alot of carb for it but cant say if thats your problem. Misses are very hard to diagnose on the puter. Ron

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Re: 440 race street motor [Re: bobs69] #184234
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is the miss still there? that happened to me once and scared the poop out of me as i was an 8 hour drive from home. turns out my timing tape flew off and got sucked into the carb (ran without air cleaner)

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: 383man] #184235
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Could be a fuel supply problem. That dom may be wanting more fuel than its getting. That, said, i ran a dom with just a carter mech pump and 3/8" line in a 550 hp 440 Challenger and it worked fine.

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It did the same every pass. We were thinking if the carb was too big it will show up more off the line at lower rpm!

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: bobs69] #184237
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It sounds like a fuel issue. May I ask what size fuel line your running?


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Re: 440 race street motor [Re: hemidup] #184238
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Is the carb up through the bonnet and are you running a scoop.

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We run holley blue pump half inch line six pound of pressure.

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: 572B1] #184240
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Is the carb up through the bonnet and are you running a scoop.







He means HOOD



Ron, That was my thinking as well. I have basicly the same motor w/ less CR and Eddy heads and run a 750 DP. Did you set the fule presss W/ the engine running? Try bumping it up to 7 1/2 or 8 psi and see what happens.

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We do run a scoop

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: bobs69] #184242
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I had amiss once that turned out to be a dirty filter...just sounds like after going thru first and top of 2nd, that your fuel system is not overcoming the enertia thats trying to push the fuel in the line back.

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: bobs69] #184243
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We do run a scoop




The reason I asked,I have seen cars with a carb above the bonnet line and no scoop, that get reversion out the carb.

PS I mean hood dam yanks.lol

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: 572B1] #184244
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could it be lean?


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Re: 440 race street motor [Re: bobs69] #184245
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We run holley blue pump half inch line six pound of pressure.


Bingo, the old Holley blue is probally not up to the task that your asking it to do Can you and did you look at the fuel pressure wghen it was missing? If so what was it reading. Did you look at the spark plugs at all? If so what color are they and when did you look at them, in the pits after the run or at the end of the track after the run without driving it back to the pits.? Give us some more information off of the time slip, 60 ft. times, 330 times and MPH 660 ft, ET and MPH and the rest to times off of the time slips that it missed on. You can take a Ohm meter and check the spark plug wires also, I had a 440 motor that would miss slightly only in high gear above 5000 rpms which ended up being three spark plug wires going bad, to high of resistance for the MSD 7C to fire lots of things can cause a miss in the motor, some of them are easy to find like broken spark plug or a spark plug wire vibrated off and others can be a real bear to find Good luck, please let us know what you find and post that back on here Lots of people on here learn from each other


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Re: 440 race street motor [Re: Cab_Burge] #184246
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I had a miss in upper RPM's and Rick from Firecore custom made a set at the Mopar Nats. No more miss fire plus he is a member here.

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: Cab_Burge] #184247
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I ran a very similar combo in my, otherwise stock '69 Road Runner. I could give you my exact incremental info from a number of runs. I was running a Weiand CH4B intake with no spacer. I ran in the 12.40's on most passes. The car had 4.30 gears and a 3500 RPM Converter. When I swapped to a friend's sorted out 6-pak, the car went 12.11.

May I suggest you check the float level in the carbs bowls? If the float level is too low, you will see the problem you ran into. If they are too high, the car will act strange as well. Set the floats. If you have 6 pounds of fuel pressure you should be in good shape. Make sure the 6 PSI is achieved while going through the traps. Good luck.

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One more thing...What timing are you running? Check to make sure the timing is actually where you want it to be.

If it spits through the carb...it's an ignition thing.

If it spits out the exhaust...it's the carb.

Try bolting on a friend's working carb, or carb/intake combo. That cured a ton of my problems. Tom

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: goldenlancer] #184249
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could it be lean?


Bill I think your on to something.It may be too lean since he passing so much air through that 1150 and max jet is #100 or .125. Try a 1050.

Re: 440 race street motor [Re: B G Racing] #184250
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could it be lean?


Bill I think your on to something.It may be too lean since he passing so much air through that 1150 and max jet is #100 or .125. Try a 1050.




I'm no expert by a long shot but sounds like either a lean condition or eletronics problem. I had the same thing happen to a 383 dart pulled like a mofo thru 2nd then would stumble down track. Jetted up by 2 until the problem was sovled.







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