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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1821219
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It is terrifying, but it will pop. With no exhaust watch it close because it will want to run really rich with the O2 being so close to clean air with no exhaust. Mine was rich because of that and the tune demanding double the needed fuel because of my injectors.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1824283
05/11/15 04:38 PM
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A partial update. I decided not to jump the gun and fire it. I've not put 12v power to the car since 2010, so I've got a list of important things to check off before I risk a fire.

I worked on the serpentine belt (I had 6 at the house, some for AC and others for a paxton supercharger kit...I didn't have one for the AC delete). I had to shorten one of the factory bolts that goes through Emil's PS bracket into the head and also the 3/8" bolt that goes into his bracket. I think this is due to the PS pump that I've got and not his hardware. Either way, the pump is on and it fits well. I've got to make a clean cut on the Aeroquip AQP high pressure PS hoses and get to a vise to install the fittings.

I filled the transmission with 90wt and replaced a broken Neutral safety switch.

Little odds and ends...most importantly I took a complete 180 turn on my fuel system...(I'll leave that for later) This is quite possibly more exciting than finishing the car for me.

And I connected the battery and it didn't have problems. I expected something to be wrong between moving the battery to the trunk and it sitting dormant for so long, but I connected the terminals and I waited with a fire extinguisher. No issues.

12v up to my main power lug



Overall...



As I told a colleage of mine at work today. When I didn't have the money, I had all the time I needed...now that I have the money I've got no time. Updates soon to follow.

This is the problem with time passing and getting older haha.





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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1832648
05/23/15 02:56 AM
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Well, this may not seem like a huge deal to others but this may be the biggest development in my whole build....

As some of you may know, there hasn't been a simple option for fuel systems when converting to EFI that doesn't have it's drawbacks.

Wade (uhcoog1) has had a great system that I was going to copy verbatim. It involved a small lift pump pulling from the stock tank, filling a surge tanks and then an external inline GSL392 pump pushing up to the front. This took Wade to the Texas mile, BBOR, a trip or two across Texas and more track days than most people here could dream of in an old car and then some. It worked better than a cheap fuel system should have, but the problem that couldn't fix completely was heat. The pump was open to exhaust heat and it really wasn't an OEM quality pump.

I had this copied system installed on my car and I'm ready to fire the car for the first time with the Hemi.

But then a certain someone let me know that a company may have a better option for me. An affordable and baffled EFI ready tank that would be a direct bolt on for my Roadrunner. I waited for a few months, and I present to you the following...

A beta test unit for Tanks Inc's 68-70 Plymouth B Body new efi ready tank. It maintaines a factory fitment and has a 19 Gallon capacity.

http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/page/p...prod/prd485.htm



I was really stunned to see that it came in completely powdercoated! I was mentally ready to see the whole tank get covered in undercoating, but this is far better. It will look good with the stainless straps I've got.

It comes prepared to use their GPA fuel pump modules that can support anything from a TBI low performance application, to a pump like mine in 460LPH for E85 (600-1000hp)

There are two pre-determined holes in a recessed area at the front of the tank. One is for an adjustable sending unit (I went with the aftermarket sending unit Ohm range) and the other is for the fuel pump module.



The fuel pump module on mine is identical to all the others that their tanks use. It's a modular system that has a wide enough range to fit almost anything.



I'll have to trim the pick up and return tubes and attach the fuel pump to it, simple stuff.




What makes this tank better than a stock tank in my application is the baffling they've built into this stamping. There is a basket that the return line drains into and the pump sits in with two approximately 3/8" holes in the bottom. This will keep the pump covered in fuel as best as possible under cornering and also the pump will be bathed in fuel from the return line dumping back on it. A cool fuel pump in a tank of fuel will allow for a much more reliable set up than ANY external fuel pump. Couple that with the fact that this pump comes off the same assembly line as many other big three fuel pumps, I've got confidence with this system that I couldn't get anywhere else.

Some random shots of the basket and inside of the tank. Pardon my pictures, my phone would only fit into the tank so far haha.





Here is a shot from the filler neck to the front of the tank. This large internal baffle will help under acceleration and braking.



I can't be happier to be one of the first to receive one of the first of this tank. I'll be starting the car shortly now that I've got my fuel system delivered in one single package.

I'd really like to thank my good friend Wade for tipping me off to this and also Justin at Tanks Inc for the prompt response, the chance to be a beta tester (they're almost ready for market) and awesome shipping/ service.


One step closer!


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1832652
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Awesome Alex, now get it running mang!


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1832656
05/23/15 03:14 AM
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I've only delayed the start about a week for this, completely worth it.

Now if I could only find the money to make enough power to max this pump out....


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1832659
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Don't worry about power until you have to big of tires.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1832663
05/23/15 04:15 AM
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Any idea of proposed price?


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1832679
05/23/15 08:11 AM
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Cool stuff.

Price is in the link; $245.

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1833000
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Cool find - it's good that there are more options for our cars.

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1833011
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Tanks inc is a good bunch of folks. I have one of their original tank hangers in my pile.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1833107
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Looking closer at that baffle, I can't help wonder if it won't work itself loose over time because of the few one side only spot welds.
Thinking about if many pounds of fuel sloshing against/around that plate in racing conditions over time could tear the spot welds.

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1833162
05/24/15 11:43 AM
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That's a valid concern. If anyone could tear it apart, it will be my friends and I.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1833306
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GM used to use that type of reservoir in their full size trucks when they still used steel tanks, they used less spot welds than this...

Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1833680
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Worst case scenario is that if this pump has starvation issues when things get dynamic, I'll add a surge tank. That will cover any potential problems.

I reall doubt that I can outgrow this tank.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1833698
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I'm thinking the 8 spot welds will do just fine, the fluid will be able to dissipate some energy flowing out of the baffle if needed through the holes or over the side.

The whole car is held together with spot welds anyway. up


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1834121
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Well, I would be interested in a kit from them if they sold it for my 67 b body.
I assume that one day that will happen since it is a chasis that is seen often.

I like the finish on that tank also. Is is coated?
Looks like it is coated almost.

Steve


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1834424
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Man, that is a nice looking piece.

I am glad someone is taking on that project of building efi tanks for B-Bodies! I will be picking one up for the Coronet Coupe!


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: gremlinsteve] #1834493
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Originally Posted By gremlinsteve
Well, I would be interested in a kit from them if they sold it for my 67 b body.
I assume that one day that will happen since it is a chasis that is seen often.

I like the finish on that tank also. Is is coated?
Looks like it is coated almost.

Steve


It's a really good looking silver powdercoat.


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Re: Let the Hemi swap begin [Re: AlexP] #1834698
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Is it done yet?


Is it done yet?


Is it done yet?



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If your interested in selling those old tubular uppers I could really use hem on my dirt track car.

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