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Re: WHAT TORSION BARS TO RUN [Re: Troy] #183119
01/07/09 09:57 PM
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"Stored Energy" is what your looking for and a .920 bar will not do it.

Just my opinion.




I disagree with that opinion. The stored energy is exactly the same regardless of the bar diameter. The real difference that most are looking for is the amount rotation that a bar needs to completey release that stored energy, which is also a factor of time, which means a smaller bar keeps lifting the front end with a smaller force, long after a heavier bar has quickly released its stored energy, although with exactly wthe same amount of energy


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Re: WHAT TORSION BARS TO RUN [Re: moparbud] #183120
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I had the torsion drag bars in my 68 gtx when i had ss spings on the car and they were great, but when i switched to ladder bars i had to put the 920 torsion bars back in to get the 60ft times back it was instantly better. we tried alot of tuning before going back to the 920 bars.

Re: WHAT TORSION BARS TO RUN [Re: Troy] #183121
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Lets talk about the B body first....
B Body are hard because Mopar no longer sells the old P5249156 .840 bars. I would look and see what the after market has. B Body's can be made to work very well but the learning curve is long. You have to have a very consistent engine,trans and rear suspension to be able to fine tune the front suspension. Trying to do this on a fresh chassis is hard to say the least.

Here is a picture of a customer of mine. Chuck Steinbeck has ran this car in D, E and F and has done very well but 10lbs and a 1/2 turn on his shocks makes a big difference. IF I remember correctly these are the some .840 bars.




Troy, on this massive wheelstand shot I would think his combo could benifit from a thicker bar.

mike

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Re: WHAT TORSION BARS TO RUN [Re: Sport440] #183122
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That picture was taken when we were testing. Look at the second picture with the silver Dart....the green Road Runner in the other lane is Chuck's car!! The only difference ( if I remember correctly) is a shock adjustment and a little weight but the same bars.....big difference with a better 60'.

I'm not going to say that the smaller bar is always better but me personally, I have had better luck going in that direction than a larger bar.

PS...take a close look at both Darren's and Chuck's car......look at how little the front wheels are hanging down. The wheels stand are also controlled by the limiters holding the wheels up.

One thing that I learned early on is it is not just one or two parts that is going to make the difference, it's the complete package that make it all happen.

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Re: WHAT TORSION BARS TO RUN [Re: Troy] #183123
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thanks guys the info is great

Re: WHAT TORSION BARS TO RUN [Re: moparbud] #183124
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Well I can tell you that a bar that has had a hard life,can be used up.
I had 6cyl bars and drilled shocks, worked good untill we mad the trip down to VMP about 400 miles down 301 with them expansion strips. The car bounce all the way down on the trailer and the bars were like wet nondles lost all there stored energy. I guess I should have put some real shocks on for towing. I would get some new bars not junkyard bars.


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Re: WHAT TORSION BARS TO RUN [Re: Sport440] #183125
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Troy, on this massive wheel stand shot I would think his combo could benefit from a thicker bar.

mike


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Here is a picture of the same pass after she hit the ground. OUCH!!


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Re: WHAT TORSION BARS TO RUN [Re: Troy] #183126
01/08/09 03:47 PM
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it looks like it needs a better shock or stiffer setting.

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