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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: Twostick] #1811908
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Originally Posted By Twostick
Good luck with the double Mike.

I just had a triple at the end of Feb and I feel good as new.

It wasn't nearly the ordeal I imagined it might be.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to PM me.

Kevin


Thanks... I had a single done about 12 years ago.. it collapsed
so its only working on the one artery now and its 60% blocked
so the doc is suppose to look at me soon...( a specialist being
that they call me high risk.. dont know about that) last time I
thought it was pretty easy.. but cant do much for a while.. thats
wh I want to get this back together
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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1811939
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Good luck on the medical front Mike and nice to see it's not anything major with the trans thumbs

Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1811952
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Mike, good luck with the surgery. I had a double done last year, recovered well.


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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: gregsdart] #1811964
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Thanks guys... it will go well... LOL... I just hope the timing
works out... I want this done soon so the wife can get her hip
replaced.. she has a time also... she goes in at the end of May
and I hope she doesnt have to set that back
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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1815831
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Mr P.,

Is she rolling or skidding??


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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: Kiddart] #1815838
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Originally Posted By Kiddart
Mr P.,

Is she rolling or skidding??


I just put the engine and trans in today.. I should have it
all done tomorrow.. magic word.. should... but I plan on taking
it out for a run on Saturday... I just need to hook up all the
sensor plugs and the alt. then put in the radiator
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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1820998
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How did the maiden voyage go??

Do you need a hand with anything?


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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: Kiddart] #1821095
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I'm gonna fire it up in a short bit... cutting the lawn
right now(break time).. since I cut about 3 acres it takes
a couple of hours
But the car is all back together.. just need to hook up the
battery and have at it
EDIT
thanks for the offer
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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1821231
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Fired right up.. everything seems to be ok.. just did a
quick check on the hoist.. wife wants to go out to dinner
so I kept it quick... I'll take it out tomorrow for a cruise
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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1821743
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Awesome keep us posted.

you ever need a helping hand feel free to ask.


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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: Kiddart] #1821955
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Took it out for a cruise down the street... I started out in
OD off.. 1st, 2nd, 3rd.. then flipped the OD on... same damn
thing... locked up the rear tires.. but I knew enough to just
flip the OD off to not loose control ... I dont freeking understand
what the hell is going on... I'm ready to torch this piece of crap..
but letting the injection learn for a bit, it sure idles nice shruggy
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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1822153
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Now I have to figure out some sort of a plan of attach since
it did the same thing again.. I think I'll try swapping the
wires on the OD and LU just to see what happens.. right now
I am at a total loss of ideas.. anyone got any ideas.. thanks shruggy confused
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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1822194
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I don't know much about this overdrive stuff but sure am glad your car idles sweet with the efi.


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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1822222
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I was going to ask if you tried swapping wire's around.
Don't know if that is the fix but easy to do .

Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help [Re: a493demon] #1822230
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Originally Posted By a493demon
I was going to ask if you tried swapping wire's around.
Don't know if that is the fix but easy to do .


I'm gonna try it tomorrow.. I have no clue what would happen
but its worth a try
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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help.. UPDATE.. Same Thing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1822592
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Mike,
Before you swap the wires, lets see if we can't figure out exactly what's causing the "binding".

Take a look at this pic. Do you have a pressure gauge that you can screw into these ports? Front Servo, Rear servo, and OD port are what we're interested in. Get it on the hoist and run it through each gear.

If you did, we can see if it's getting OD pressure in 1-2-3-OD, if it's getting reverse or intermediate (2nd gear) pressure when you put it in OD.

Basically it will tell us what is coming "ON" that shouldn't be causing this bind up...

Should look something like this Yes/No if it has pressure in each gear for each port.

Front Servo
1-No
2-Yes
3-No
OD-No

Rear Servo
1- Maybe (depends if low band apply) Either OK
2-No
3-No
OD-No

OD
1- No
2-No
3-No
4-Yes

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Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help.. UPDATE.. Same Thing [Re: dizuster] #1822611
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Scott.. what kind of pressure would I be seeing.. just so I
dont trash a gauge.... I swapped the wires. nothing happens
which is what I figured ... I have to see how many gauges I
have in the range needed
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A 250 to 300 gauge should be fine. Here is a copy and paste I found. Even though it says PCM your manual switch is your control.

"3-4 SHIFT SEQUENCE...The overdrive clutch is applied in fourth gear only. The direct clutch is applied in all ranges except fourth gear. Fourth gear overdrive range is electronically controlled and hydraulically activated. Various sensor inputs are supplied to the powertrain control module to operate the overdrive solenoid on the valve body. The solenoid contains a check ball that opens and closes a vent port in the 3-4 shift valve feed passage. The overdrive solenoid (and check ball) are not energized in first, second, third, or reverse gear. The vent port remains open, diverting line pressure from the 2-3 shift valve away from the 3-4 shift valve. The overdrive control switch must be in the ON position to transmit overdrive status to the PCM. A 3-4 upshift occurs only when the overdrive solenoid is energized by the PCM. The PCM energizes the overdrive solenoid during the 3-4 upshift. This causes the solenoid check ball to close the vent port allowing line pressure from the 2-3 shift valve to act directly on the 3-4 upshift valve. Line pressure on the 3-4 shift valve overcomes valve spring pressure moving the valve to the upshift position. This action exposes the feed passages to the 3-4 timing valve, 3-4 quick fill valve, 3-4 accumulator, and ultimately to the overdrive piston. Line pressure through the timing valve moves the overdrive piston into contact with the overdrive clutch. The direct clutch is disengaged before the overdrive clutch is engaged. The boost valve provides increased fluid apply pressure to the overdrive clutch during 3-4 upshifts, and when accelerating in fourth gear. The 3-4 accumulator cushions overdrive clutch engagement to smooth 3-4 upshifts. The accumulator is charged at the same time as apply pressure acts against the overdrive piston."

Re: This Is A New One On Me.. Trans Help.. UPDATE.. Same Thing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1822641
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Mike I spent a few hours looking at valve body flow diagram this morning. Under no misassembly circumstances can I see that the valve body could do this (the pressure test would be proof).

The only other thing I can think of, is if the selective thrust plate for the OD was too thin/missing, it is possible to apply the OD clutches WITHOUT disengaging the direct clutches in the OD. This would keep the direct OD clutches on, and bind the system just as it's doing.

It is possible that the OD roller being in upside down was wrong, but not what was actually causing the issue...

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Once you read what I posted I believe your problem is here.
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The direct clutch is disengaged before the overdrive clutch is engaged.
My bets are there is something missing or installed wrong in the valve body. Or possibly a pressure issue some place. I don't think there is a port to test the direct clutch pressures.

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