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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: Wedgeman]
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It's all preference at our level,the next level $ guys do use bb's but if you think it's cheap or no rpm is needed in think your wrong. 500ci pro stock like 10g rpm just like exotic sbs. My motor cost less then 18g so I don't consider it very exotic by any means. I am happy with it regardless even though I am having alot stronger sb built as we speak if diamond ever finishes the damn pistons 
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: fishy340]
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03/15/15 07:01 PM
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I'm a big block guy, all day long.
But, my 62 Valiant doesn't lend itself to a BBM installation easily, so I was forced to build a 428 small block street engine 615HP, 540 TQ, and a 10.49 best without much tuning so far.
I've had plenty of 440s, built cheaper, that ran about the same NA.
The difference is, I can put two kits on the 440 and run 8's.
Not gonna get there with the small block!!!!
Why not ? Mine went 5.60 w a 150 tune,that's 8.80s.I shift at 7000 and it's w 20yr old indy heads.A stock 340 block IMO is also ALOT stronger then 440 blocks as they have a tendency to blow near the pan rail or split from what I've seen of the 3 blown 440 blocks in low hp mopars.
A 400 block and B1s would be a good one I think,but NOT a 440 block.
I don't know if I would go as far as saying a 340 block is stronger than a 440 but a 360 magnum block is certainly stronger than a 340 block 
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: J_BODY]
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03/15/15 08:31 PM
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Is that the Motor that went "BOOM" @ Speedworld.?? 
Chris.. 
same short block.... different set of heads. #3 rod let go.... It was also #3 intake runner on the leaky heads that kept introducing water to that cylinder. Believe the rod got damaged and it wasn't caught until it was too late.
Was there something wrong with the W5's.?? I remember you saying something about porosity in the castings.
Do the W8-W9's have the same problems.?? 
Chris.. 
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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03/15/15 09:00 PM
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Is that the Motor that went "BOOM" @ Speedworld.??
Chris..
same short block.... different set of heads. #3 rod let go.... It was also #3 intake runner on the leaky heads that kept introducing water to that cylinder. Believe the rod got damaged and it wasn't caught until it was too late.
Was there something wrong with the W5's.?? I remember you saying something about porosity in the castings.
Do the W8-W9's have the same problems.??
Chris..
I've run both. Regardless if you spray or boost a small block, or chose to run a big block there is one underlying factor, torque. The way the motor pulls from converter flash to the shift. Lets face it low rpm is cheaper and easier to live with. So for the majority of racers here to get their 3100-3600 lb car going they need torque. Generally the simplest least expensive way is to have a bigger motor.
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: HotRodDave]
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03/15/15 09:20 PM
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I'm a big block guy, all day long.
But, my 62 Valiant doesn't lend itself to a BBM installation easily, so I was forced to build a 428 small block street engine 615HP, 540 TQ, and a 10.49 best without much tuning so far.
I've had plenty of 440s, built cheaper, that ran about the same NA.
The difference is, I can put two kits on the 440 and run 8's.
Not gonna get there with the small block!!!!
Why not ? Mine went 5.60 w a 150 tune,that's 8.80s.I shift at 7000 and it's w 20yr old indy heads.A stock 340 block IMO is also ALOT stronger then 440 blocks as they have a tendency to blow near the pan rail or split from what I've seen of the 3 blown 440 blocks in low hp mopars.
A 400 block and B1s would be a good one I think,but NOT a 440 block.
I don't know if I would go as far as saying a 340 block is stronger than a 440 but a 360 magnum block is certainly stronger than a 340 block [/q
Could you tell me how strong a 360 block is ? I truly never saw anyone fast w one..I Mean 8's or better.
Did they ever even have a forged crank In 360's ?
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: Dragula]
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03/15/15 10:03 PM
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The reason I kept with the big blocks over the G3 small blocks Hemi is mainly the lack of cubes available...
We like the torque of a big block, you just can't beat it if you keep the revs down. So if you think your small block will keep up with my 605...By all means, pull up in the lane next to me. If we put that engine in my Duster, we are thinking kiss 6.1's in the 1/8th goodbye and hello 5's on pump gas!
Too bad I sold my engine... hell I'd still take you
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: Dragula]
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03/15/15 10:06 PM
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The reason I kept with the big blocks over the G3 small blocks Hemi is mainly the lack of cubes available...
We like the torque of a big block, you just can't beat it if you keep the revs down. So if you think your small block will keep up with my 605...By all means, pull up in the lane next to me. If we put that engine in my Duster, we are thinking kiss 6.1's in the 1/8th goodbye and hello 5's on pump gas!
i'll take that race any day how much? 
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: Quicktree]
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03/15/15 10:51 PM
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The reason I kept with the big blocks over the G3 small blocks Hemi is mainly the lack of cubes available...
We like the torque of a big block, you just can't beat it if you keep the revs down. So if you think your small block will keep up with my 605...By all means, pull up in the lane next to me. If we put that engine in my Duster, we are thinking kiss 6.1's in the 1/8th goodbye and hello 5's on pump gas!
i'll take that race any day how much?
Why you got one that runs that quick....Bet it cost more than my big block...
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/15/15 11:59 PM
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All I will add is lately I see a lot of under-achieving big blocks and over achieving small blocks. 
No doubt...You guys all know I run Empire, come on up some time. If I recover from my surgery quick enough, we may get the Hemi in the Duster in time for start of the season...Maybe not. I order the rest of the parts tomorrow.
But just like any combo, you need to take the time to sort them out. Don't get me wrong, I love small blocks. I bracket raced them for many years. And I love the new G3 Hemi's too, especially boosted...But when its all said and done, the cost to go X.xx ends up being about the same, so buy what you want.
Some day, I would like to build a boosted combo...
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: fishy340]
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03/16/15 01:56 AM
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I'm a big block guy, all day long.
But, my 62 Valiant doesn't lend itself to a BBM installation easily, so I was forced to build a 428 small block street engine 615HP, 540 TQ, and a 10.49 best without much tuning so far.
I've had plenty of 440s, built cheaper, that ran about the same NA.
The difference is, I can put two kits on the 440 and run 8's.
Not gonna get there with the small block!!!!
Why not ? Mine went 5.60 w a 150 tune,that's 8.80s.I shift at 7000 and it's w 20yr old indy heads.A stock 340 block IMO is also ALOT stronger then 440 blocks as they have a tendency to blow near the pan rail or split from what I've seen of the 3 blown 440 blocks in low hp mopars.
A 400 block and B1s would be a good one I think,but NOT a 440 block.
Why not? Because I'm frightened to hit the small block with that much hose! I have a Big shot plate on it now, and it went 10.18, sawing through the 904 or convertor (likely both) shift light was on from the hit until I let off the n20 at 1100 ft. It's a 4 bolt main X block.
I split two cylinders in my 440 block on spray, sleeved it, and sprayed it some more, it had a high fill of block hardener in it.
The thing is...that 440 was a 2K$ short block, so I was more inclined to lean on it than this small block, which was considerably more!!
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: MoparBilly]
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03/16/15 02:18 AM
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Why not? Because I'm frightened to hit the small block with that much hose! I have a Big shot plate on it now, and it went 10.18, sawing through the 904 or convertor (likely both) shift light was on from the hit until I let off the n20 at 1100 ft. It's a 4 bolt main X block. I split two cylinders in my 440 block on spray, sleeved it, and sprayed it some more, it had a high fill of block hardener in it. The thing is...that 440 was a 2K$ short block, so I was more inclined to lean on it than this small block, which was considerably more!!
I know it was not many years ago we ALL took a chance
on the blocks we ran... I never tested a block 5 years
ago or farther back.. I can say I believe most of
us got lucky if we started pushing a block...now days
I have had decent luck on blocks.. I've cracked 3
cyl walls in 2 blocks.. 2 on the same cyl that was
sleeved.. to me it was a bad sleeve job... years ago
I was a BB guy and I broke more stuff when I ran BB
but like most I tried to push things(for back then)
but the same as I do for the SB stuff
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: Dragula]
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03/16/15 03:14 AM
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The reason I kept with the big blocks over the G3 small blocks Hemi is mainly the lack of cubes available...
We like the torque of a big block, you just can't beat it if you keep the revs down. So if you think your small block will keep up with my 605...By all means, pull up in the lane next to me. If we put that engine in my Duster, we are thinking kiss 6.1's in the 1/8th goodbye and hello 5's on pump gas!
i'll take that race any day how much?
Why you got one that runs that quick....Bet it cost more than my big block...
I could probably build 2 or 3 for the price of your 605 hemi. and yes it's faster then that.
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
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The reason I kept with the big blocks over the G3 small blocks Hemi is mainly the lack of cubes available...
We like the torque of a big block, you just can't beat it if you keep the revs down. So if you think your small block will keep up with my 605...By all means, pull up in the lane next to me. If we put that engine in my Duster, we are thinking kiss 6.1's in the 1/8th goodbye and hello 5's on pump gas!
i'll take that race any day how much?
Why you got one that runs that quick....Bet it cost more than my big block...
I could probably build 2 or 3 for the price of your 605 hemi. and yes it's faster then that.
Officially I have $14k and change into it...so if you have a faster small block, for less, I will be impressed. When I was looking at G3's and W8 motors, starting prices were above $15 and they came no where near what I will be making...
So come on up, hopefully we get it dyno'd and into a car before start of season...Got a carb I can borrow?
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: Dragula]
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03/16/15 01:27 PM
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The reason I kept with the big blocks over the G3 small blocks Hemi is mainly the lack of cubes available...
We like the torque of a big block, you just can't beat it if you keep the revs down. So if you think your small block will keep up with my 605...By all means, pull up in the lane next to me. If we put that engine in my Duster, we are thinking kiss 6.1's in the 1/8th goodbye and hello 5's on pump gas!
i'll take that race any day how much?
Why you got one that runs that quick....Bet it cost more than my big block...
I could probably build 2 or 3 for the price of your 605 hemi. and yes it's faster then that.
Officially I have $14k and change into it...so if you have a faster small block, for less, I will be impressed. When I was looking at G3's and W8 motors, starting prices were above $15 and they came no where near what I will be making...
So come on up, hopefully we get it dyno'd and into a car before start of season...Got a carb I can borrow?
it doesn't take all that much to build a strong small block anymore.mine is just a 416 with a flat tappet cam at the moment. good enough to smack that hemi around a little I do have a dominator that I am thinking about selling but you already have one of those.
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Re: Who needs a big block ?
[Re: Eric]
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03/16/15 03:35 PM
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HP is what makes you go fast, you can always use gear multiplication to make TQ if you have HP. Now that is out of the way I like SB strokers the best. Lots of HP, good blocks (5.9 magnum) available for cheap, I can buy useable cores for $100, and they are already set up for a roller cam. 440s typically start at $500 and up depedngin on what numbers are stamped in it. Throw in another $800 to get the roller cam/lifters. If I build a lot of 600HP+ engine I would consider the BB more but I will take a SB/904 combo and #200 weight break on a street car for me or most of my customers
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