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restoring 70 chally vert with RED interior...How rare??
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We are in the process of restoring a decent shape 70 chally convertible that has numbers matching engine and trans and has a broadcast sheet as well. The car is a 318 car with a factory white paint, black convert top, and factory RED interior. Now from what I have been hearing, the red interiors were pretty rare. Would anyone have any break downs as to how many chally converts or even challengers in general in 1970 came with a RED interior? If we find some kind of documentation as to how many were made, it might give us some incentive to go all out on the resto trying to get correct marking items such as heater hoses, rad hoses, bolts, etc. Any help or leads would be greatly appreciated.  Brian
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
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They never made charger verts dude. Unless you count the customized one that a member on here owns. Even in its mag article it states 1 of none 
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
Wow!! That explains why the guy thought I was an idiot the other day when I turned down his offer on my car...  
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How about some pictures? Let's see what you get to start with!
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duhhh not saying chargers were convs just meant they were junk and prob the uglyest cars ever built, not worth restoring 1 of those, stick with the challegers and cudas!!! ps not the 68 and 69 chargers just 70 to 74!!! bad very bad!!
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duhhh not saying chargers were convs just meant they were junk and prob the uglyest cars ever built, not worth restoring 1 of those, stick with the challegers and cudas!!! ps not the 68 and 69 chargers just 70 to 74!!! bad very bad!!
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How about some pictures? Let's see what you get to start with!
I'll see what I can dig up from what I posted over at Dodgecharger.com and Cuda-challenger.com when we got the car.
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BEAUTIFUL car ! My advice it to restore it as corectly as you can . It's a very desirable color combo, don't let anybody tell you different. Nobody has a production breakdown on red interior convertibles, but you can be pretty confident knowing most were probably FE5 or TX9 exterior . Probably Not many EW1 with red interior. I would restore it as a numbers matching 318 car. I would not dream of altering it in any way. Greg Wards Classic Car Radio Repair Specializing in restoration and sales of Mopar A B E body radios We can restore YOUR radio usually in less than 7 days Visit our NEW website.. http://www.wardsclassiccarradiorepair.comgregward@mchsi.comphone 256-852-0955  
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You're taking this car apart to re-do? Sure is pretty, but I can kinda see why there are fewer of them. 
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Greg, the 8 track radio you restored was for this car!
The only thing dad has planned for this car was a couple of bolt ons that can easily be removed to put it back to factory in an hour or so. But rest assured, they are correct mopar dated parts for the application too. The car will basically retain its numbers matching block but have 340 parts on it such as a cast iron 4 bbl 340 intake (correctly numbered too) and correct 340 dual snorkleless air cleaner housing. The nice thing is that all of the factory 318 parts were included with the sale of the car to us. They are nicely tucked away in the basement in the event that we need to put them on for a concours meet. Till then, we will be having fun with added performance from the car.
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That looks awesome white with the red interior. Here are some pics of my red/red Challenger /6 convert I am going to restore. Got it from the original owner with docs. and all numbers matching. Greg
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It is not rare but not as common as black. I had seen many a green interior too-but most got swapped out for black or white. My friend's 1970 A66 Challenger (340/727,3.23 SureGrip) car. His Dad bought it new off the showroom floor. After a 25 year wait,the car was completely restored. Pics showing it October 2007 when completed.   
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You're taking this car apart to re-do?
Sure is pretty, but I can kinda see why there are fewer of them.
Just to clarify, the entire car is not being redone. There are some fitment issues with the body panels which are being addressed as the early repro quarter panels did not fit well to where the rear valence was and the recessed area where the gas cap was is a bad stamping and not crisp lines like it should have been like original so we found an original "patch" panel and had that welded in. Now the gas cap actually sits flush with the body now. BIG improvement compared to what it had been. Also, things that should have been painted body color weren't prior to us buying the car when it was restored how many years ago. Items such as hood hinges, bolts for fender to inner fender, etc. And other items that were painted body color that were either natural or zinc from the factory will be put back to factory appearance.
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It is not rare but not as common as black.
I had seen many a green interior too-but most got swapped out for black or white.
My friend's 1970 A66 Challenger (340/727,3.23 SureGrip) car.
His Dad bought it new off the showroom floor.
After a 25 year wait,the car was completely restored.
Pics showing it October 2007 when completed.
Intersting to see that your friends A66 car has the black steering column as well like ours. How early of a car is it? Are all of those cars factory red interiors?
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I knew someone would ask me that.
Yes,she is an early build.
From what my friend remembers (he was just a kid at that time), his Dad bought it fall of 1969.
During the 80's the car was "fixed up" and the original fenders were replaced with fiberglass units and the tag is long gone.
The car is all numbers matching.
I cannot remember the casting dates from the motor/trans right about now.
Despite the loss of the fender tag,the car is a family heirloom.More sentimental value than anything.From day one it remained in the family.
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I came very close to buying a 70 R/T 383 Hardtop car that was factory Red/Red with White sidestripe. The red interior was very cool and is something you don't see often. I don't recall the color of the steering column but if anyone is interested I can probably find out.
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put it this way theres were alot of challenger conv made way more than the cuda, challenger verts are a dime a dozen and dont sell at high prices when restored.. people ask alot for them but they just dont sell, chargers were even worse!!!
 No one wants them. Don't expect to sell it for anywhere near what you're going to spend on it. If I were you, I'd get a 'Cuda instead and I'll help you out with getting rid of your Dodge.
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That's because no one wants them. I'd order a complete black interior for that car. A convertible deserves nothing less.
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duhhh not saying chargers were convs just meant they were junk and prob the uglyest cars ever built, not worth restoring 1 of those, stick with the challegers and cudas!!! ps not the 68 and 69 chargers just 70 to 74!!! bad very bad!!
The '68 and '69 were junk too.
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I thought steering column color was dependent upon what dash the car had? Black for standard cluster, colored for rallye cluster.
Red interior cars are the exception. Red interior cars that I have broadcast sheet copies for show red colums in some std. cluster E-Bodies built early in the 1970 model year.
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 Then why are you here? Nobody likes a AS****E, so I can't see how you would have many freinds to begin with!
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There is no breakdown available. People can throw out numbers on there colors but its just BS. There are no records on these cars except for total production and a breakdown of engine/trans, R/T, hardtop and vert...
I can suggest that approximately 137 JH27 cars built to US specs came with a red interior. This doesn't include Canadian or export cars, so it's not total production. That's 5.4% of US ragtops!
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Us Canadians must like our red interiors,eh?? LOL 
From Brampton Spring Fling 2007
A little of topic, but.... Any pictures of the black challenger vert, with the hood down? I've been toying with the idea of a red shaker bubble on a cuda that I'm painting black.
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I thought steering column color was dependent upon what dash the car had? Black for standard cluster, colored for rallye cluster.
Red interior cars are the exception. Red interior cars that I have broadcast sheet copies for show red colums in some std. cluster E-Bodies built early in the 1970 model year.
As Barry mentioned early build red interiors seem to be the exception. However I am not sure if it's actually the rallye dash or the woodgrain trim that causes the column to be color keyed to the interior. I'm thinking it might be the later.
J64 (woodgrain dash applique) was a standalone option on the base Challenger. I had only ever seen this option on black interior cars but I did get an email from someone who had a different color interior. I can't remember the interior color or the column color right now but if I find the info I'll post it.
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The scheduled build on mine is 903 and as you can see from the pics it has the red column with the standard dash and no wood applique. On line 3 of the build codes on the buildsheet,right in the steering column it clearly states E5. The only thing I dont get on my car (and a few others) is why have a complete red interior but black seat belts? Anybody have a clue as to why that is? Also maybe Barry can answer this, on line 5 at the end in the boxes 1 2 3 there is a 14 in box 2 and 60 in box 3. What might those codes be? Thanks for any info and everyone have Safe & Happy New Year!! Greg
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When I was chatting with Mike Ross of B,E, & A body resto shop, he said the early cars could have had black seat belts and black carpeting in red cars for some reason. Our car, as you can see in the pics, has a black carpet. I'd love to figure out if it had a black carpet originally. Since our broadcast sheet is on a 1969 format, and the codes are 1970 style coding, it is hard for me to match them up and figure them out.
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I'd love to figure out if it had a black carpet originally. Since our broadcast sheet is on a 1969 format, and the codes are 1970 style coding, it is hard for me to match them up and figure them out.
Go to this link http://www.moparts.org/Tech/ find the 70 build sheet, print it out & put your codes in the boxes as they are printed on the 69 form...
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Ok, I just tried to do it and here is a scan of the broadcast sheet. Most of the lines can not be just transferred over such as lines 4 and on. Here is a scan of the broadcast sheet. See what everyone here thinks. Hopefully someone can decode it all for me.
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All 12 of the 8_02 built promo red/red 440-6 R/T verts had red interiors w/ black columns. It seems to be an early production characteristic.
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I thought the biggest engine in a Challenger convert that you could have gotten was a 383?
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Ok, so I was right then.
The deal is No R/T in 71...So nothing bigger then 383 Magnum...
1970 there was a Challenger R/T Vert so you could get 440, 440-6 & 426 Hemi....
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Correct! I was referring to 1970's since that is the post title.
I knew that, just thought Brian could use an E body education...
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Its late and I am busy at work at the good ol' police dept. I indavertently confused the 70 and 71 model years with the maximum engine size in the converts.
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I thought steering column color was dependent upon what dash the car had? Black for standard cluster, colored for rallye cluster.
Red interior cars are the exception. Red interior cars that I have broadcast sheet copies for show red colums in some std. cluster E-Bodies built early in the 1970 model year.
As Barry mentioned early build red interiors seem to be the exception. However I am not sure if it's actually the rallye dash or the woodgrain trim that causes the column to be color keyed to the interior. I'm thinking it might be the later.
J64 (woodgrain dash applique) was a standalone option on the base Challenger. I had only ever seen this option on black interior cars but I did get an email from someone who had a different color interior. I can't remember the interior color or the column color right now but if I find the info I'll post it.
I did find the sheet and the car had a burnt orange interior, standard dash, J64 and a black column so the J64 did not make the column color-keyed.
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