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Re: Bellhousing
[Re: 300_dup5]
#1754577
02/15/15 06:40 PM
02/15/15 06:40 PM
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ky.
kenworth_goose
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Yes, crank was drilled, brass sleeve is in, the input shaft that I'm using does not have the 4".3 retainer on the end, so it hard to tell how far off it is
The brass sleeve is flush with face of crank, shaft does slide into and to end of crank
So that's all good
Will try the trans again, without clutch, but by looking at it, retainer on input shaft will hit the one side again on bell
Will get it sorted out when I dial it in
First thing you need to do is take that junk brass bushing out and throw it in the garbage! Go buy a roller type bearing that is used in the later magnum applications and put that into the snout that a convertor would sit in if your had an auto trans. Put bellhousing on, put clutch and pressure plate onto the trans. shaft while not bolting the pressure plate to the flywheel until you have the trans. all the way into the bell. If pressure plate won't bolt up then you have a problem.
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Re: Bellhousing
[Re: kenworth_goose]
#1754578
02/15/15 07:12 PM
02/15/15 07:12 PM
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gulfport, ms, west mi
rowin4
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Yes, crank was drilled, brass sleeve is in, the input shaft that I'm using does not have the 4".3 retainer on the end, so it hard to tell how far off it is
The brass sleeve is flush with face of crank, shaft does slide into and to end of crank
So that's all good
Will try the trans again, without clutch, but by looking at it, retainer on input shaft will hit the one side again on bell
Will get it sorted out when I dial it in
First thing you need to do is take that junk brass bushing out and throw it in the garbage! Go buy a roller type bearing that is used in the later magnum applications and put that into the snout that a convertor would sit in if your had an auto trans. Put bellhousing on, put clutch and pressure plate onto the trans. shaft while not bolting the pressure plate to the flywheel until you have the trans. all the way into the bell. If pressure plate won't bolt up then you have a problem.
So , how do you get the pressure plate and clutch disc into the bell housing after it's on the transmission and the bell housing is on the engine?..
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: Bellhousing
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
#1754580
02/15/15 08:33 PM
02/15/15 08:33 PM
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gulfport, ms, west mi
rowin4
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I guess that maybe true about a stock open bottom bell housing as that [ your ] question was never answered about that. Also it was never asked or stated if the bearing retainer fits the bell housing hole . So, does the bearing retainer fit the hole? I have had some with a nick on the not allow it to slip in. If the bell housing is a open bottom, install the clutch / pressure plate with the bolts loose, then push in the transmission, then tighten the bolts.
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: Bellhousing
[Re: rowin4]
#1754582
02/16/15 05:52 PM
02/16/15 05:52 PM
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Ontario, Canada
Stanton
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First thing you need to do is take that junk brass bushing out and throw it in the garbage!
This is BS! These bushings have been used, problem free, for decades. The only reason they used a bearing was to save money on the crank drilling operation. Think about this ... the ONLY time the shaft spins in the bearing is when the clutch is in, otherwise, the shaft is turning with the crank. And what's more likely to fail, a solid bushing OR a mechanical bearing ?!?!?
That bushing is not your issue, leave it alone.
As for installing the assembly from the bottom ... REALLY ?!?!?
1) make sure there is not too much grease in the pilot hole. Grease will not compress and will limit how far the input can go in. Force it and it will start to push the bushing out!
2) make sure the disc is installed correctly - should have a stamp saying "flywheel side".
3) install disc and pressure plate using the input shaft to align the disc.
Go to Princess Auto and but the cheap dial indicator and magnetic base to dial in the bellhousing. I seriously doubt its out by 1/16". If it is you have a SERIOUS problem as there are no alignment dowels with that much offset.
Which raises the question ... are there dowels in the block now???
Unfortunately you're about 3 hours from me or I'd come and help.
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Re: Bellhousing
[Re: Stanton]
#1754583
02/16/15 07:28 PM
02/16/15 07:28 PM
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Western Md.
skicker
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Terry, There's been a lot of good info posted here...call me and we'll walk through it and see if anything jumps out... 
...FAFO...
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Re: Bellhousing
[Re: 300_dup5]
#1754585
02/17/15 10:15 PM
02/17/15 10:15 PM
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Posts: 43,116
Bend,OR USA
Cab_Burge
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Bend,OR USA
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Well all is good, loosened bell bolts, Clutch etc, Slip trans in, no problem
Tightened bell, clutch etc, dialed in bell, was within specs,
put trans back in
Life is good
Thanks to all
Congratulations  That is good to hear  I hope I have no scattersheild alignment problems on my newest 4 speed project  I'll have to check it to make sure, no since in hoping   Murphy loves messing with me 
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Bellhousing
[Re: Stanton]
#1754590
02/18/15 01:42 AM
02/18/15 01:42 AM
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gulfport, ms, west mi
rowin4
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First thing you need to do is take that junk brass bushing out and throw it in the garbage!
This is BS! These bushings have been used, problem free, for decades. The only reason they used a bearing was to save money on the crank drilling operation. Think about this ... the ONLY time the shaft spins in the bearing is when the clutch is in, otherwise, the shaft is turning with the crank. And what's more likely to fail, a solid bushing OR a mechanical bearing ?!?!?
That bushing is not your issue, leave it alone.
As for installing the assembly from the bottom ... REALLY ?!?!?
1) make sure there is not too much grease in the pilot hole. Grease will not compress and will limit how far the input can go in. Force it and it will start to push the bushing out!
2) make sure the disc is installed correctly - should have a stamp saying "flywheel side".
3) install disc and pressure plate using the input shaft to align the disc.
Go to Princess Auto and but the cheap dial indicator and magnetic base to dial in the bellhousing. I seriously doubt its out by 1/16". If it is you have a SERIOUS problem as there are no alignment dowels with that much offset.
Which raises the question ... are there dowels in the block now???
Unfortunately you're about 3 hours from me or I'd come and help.
I agree with you Stanton on the bushing, Dodge used that same bushing since 1928 through 1974
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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