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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754130
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Also, I have decided to plumb an accumulator off the right front lower oil port just to the right of the timing cover. I will mount it to the engine plate and hopefully keep everything simple. I have fought oiling issues on my last two builds and do not want to take any chances with this one.





any reason not to user 4 port oil filter base?


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With a roller cam I'd err on the high side of spring pressure. Not enough and you accidently over rev it bad thing start to happen. I run 740# over the nose and never run the motor past 6300rpm. Dave




Its not a roller cam actually....Seen too many failures lately due to the lifters coming apart.

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Also, I have decided to plumb an accumulator off the right front lower oil port just to the right of the timing cover. I will mount it to the engine plate and hopefully keep everything simple. I have fought oiling issues on my last two builds and do not want to take any chances with this one.





any reason not to user 4 port oil filter base?




Not sure anyone posted a picture of one, but I confirmed with BG the port just to the right of the timing cover will work. I would like to keep my spin on filter housing if I can. The port is very close to where I need to mount the accumulator, so I think that will work well.

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754132
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how is the build comming randy !!!any updates


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My engine builder is on vacation, but yes the build is almost complete. Cam is in, pistons are in, everything is degree'd in...New inner heads studs showed up along with Cometec gaskets. Three builds, three different length inner heads studs. And the lash caps showed up.

Lastly, the new carburetor showed up, and I picked up a used large plenum intake...We were deciding on an oil pan and I think I have that picked out, so the old one is for sale. And we did run into a small snag on the push rods.

We measured up for new push rods and I was going to order a set, the we noticed our checker is not fully seated in the lifters. The lifters I have require 5/16" tips, so I need to borrow a checker with a 5/16" tip to get the lengths. Friend of mine offered, I just need to go pick it up.

So I need push rods, an oil pan, accumulator, and a hood, and we should be off to a dyno...hopefully.

The carb I got I went with Holley due to my previous experiences with Pro Systems. Both my previous carbs from him were way out to lunch...Well, I got a Holley 1250 G3 and it was wet flowed, and I took it apart because none of the jetting was documented anywhere....

First thing I figure out, they switched the intermediate air bleeds with the idle air bleeds, and me never having a 3-circuit before, figured that out....Next, it has a power valve in the front, and I do not run those in any of my carbs...and what they have the intermediate circuit jetted is way off the range I was told to run, so I need to order some jets and bleeds. Luckily there a few people out there with this combo and I have a baseline to start with...I miss EFI!


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754134
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great !! keep us posted !!!!


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754135
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Well...More progress. The block is assembled with all the pistons, rods, rings, and the crank and cam. Getting ready to degree it in this week....

So the first question is, where do we install it? We are thinking putting it in just as the cam card states, but I want to hear some opinions. Also note, I am using Indy rockers and they have a higher ratio than OEM at 1.60 & 1.55 compared to 1.55 & 1.52 if I remember right...




Block progress was good until we got to the lifter bores last week. We had the crank in and one rod and piston when we found all the lifter bores undersized and especially tight at the bottom. Ron re-bored some and then re-honed all of them to size...Indy's catalogue says they are finish bored, but we found otherwise. Can't wait to pay that bill....

Also, I have decided to plumb an accumulator off the right front lower oil port just to the right of the timing cover. I will mount it to the engine plate and hopefully keep everything simple. I have fought oiling issues on my last two builds and do not want to take any chances with this one.









Heads are also assembled now, but the question remains, should we run this cam with springs that the heads came with which are #230 closed pressure when the cam only requires about #150 closed...I am thinking it might be worth switching...What say you guys?





On where to put the cam, with a motor that big, I would think later is better than earlier, but only a dyno knows for sure!
On the valve springs, I would error on the strong side, unless I found an engine builder willing to offer his experience with your valvetrain and lobe design. It is a bummer to not know which way to go, but a bigger one to have hurt valve train parts due to weak springs for the app. How many miles do you expect to drive this per year? If it is very limited, it becomes a no brainer. I am assuming this is a roller cam?


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No actually its not a roller cam....as stated previously too many of my friends have had issues with the rollers lately and they have their engines wiped out. We went with a solid mechanical and tool steel lifters...Basically, we went with what Barton uses on 90% of these as far as cam and lifters.

And yes, we will leave the seat pressure the way it is on the valves for now. #230 closed instead of #160...

And as for getting this in the car, it seems I am nearly out of time as the season opens in three weeks and first points race is May 2nd, and we have so much to do yet. I was hoping to have this in the car, but hernia surgery and cost to build, just kinda beat me up this last bit of winter...

I will keep at it, as we do want to put this in the drag car, its just not going to make it in right away. I guess that's what you get when you start an engine build at the end of January.

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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That sounds like a lot of spring for a flat tappet. Is the cam or lifters specially hardened? Not criticizing hear, just haven't heard of that much spring on flat tappets.


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had to believe Barton uses flat tappets on race builds. I personally would never use one

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That sounds like a lot of spring for a flat tappet. Is the cam or lifters specially hardened? Not criticizing hear, just haven't heard of that much spring on flat tappets.




Yes they are hardened...I am told, they really don't need a break in , and I can go cam to cam with them....Apparently, they have logged many thousands of street and strip miles on these with very good results and little to no failure in a lot of big inch Hemis...Give him a call if you don't believe me. I have a friend that lost his 493 at the end of the season due to a roller lifter failure...I am not going there. My buddy is running it in his 572 hemi, so it can't be that bad.

New carb showed up....And I picked up the new intake...Its big!




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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Looks great, Randy! Best of luck with your new bullet!
FWIW, I ran the Comp Cams 829 roller lifters in my 528. Logged thousands of street miles with no issues. Cam lobe design has a lot to do with it.


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Looks great, Randy! Best of luck with your new bullet!
FWIW, I ran the Comp Cams 829 roller lifters in my 528. Logged thousands of street miles with no issues. Cam lobe design has a lot to do with it.




I have also run those with no issues, but one of my racing buddies sends his lifters back to Comp for rebuilding, and the last two seasons 3-4 come back brand new as not repairable. He said they used to all get rebuilt with no issues, but not the last couple of seasons...I know of others that had issues as well. I can always go roller with these heads later. I actually still have that crazy .750 lift efi cam I could always put in this thing...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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That sounds like a lot of spring for a flat tappet. Is the cam or lifters specially hardened? Not criticizing hear, just haven't heard of that much spring on flat tappets.




Yes they are hardened...I am told, they really don't need a break in , and I can go cam to cam with them....Apparently, they have logged many thousands of street and strip miles on these with very good results and little to no failure in a lot of big inch Hemis...Give him a call if you don't believe me. I have a friend that lost his 493 at the end of the season due to a roller lifter failure...I am not going there. My buddy is running it in his 572 hemi, so it can't be that bad.

New carb showed up....And I picked up the new intake...Its big!







Good info.
Being able to run springs like that, rpms ought to be no problem, course, your gonna have enough torque to through the earth orbit off a bit


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Randy, looking killer. Jealous for sure. What valve covers and distributor?


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Randy, looking killer. Jealous for sure. What valve covers and distributor?




My Indy valve covers just cam back from polishing...They are snazzy again....

And I run your adjustable distributor...I like they fact I can dial in the initial and leave the advance where it is....

My $100 worth of jets showed up today...I have three divided containers full of air bleeds and jets now for holley type carbs...It always seems I never have the right ones...

I re-jetted the 1250 and its hopefully ready and close....

Only things left are the push rods, and maybe a new oil pan and an accumulator system. I am thinking more and more I am out of time and money to put this in the Duster....

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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any more updates ?? just orderd my hemi block from bob george !!!!!!


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Ok 572charger - you need to start a new build thread so we can see what's coming to the streets of Pittsburgh.


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i think randy is doing a great job on his build ! i would if i could figure out how to post pics on here!!!! LOL


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Originally Posted By 572charger
i think randy is doing a great job on his build ! i would if i could figure out how to post pics on here!!!! LOL



very simple now.


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Originally Posted By 572charger
any more updates ?? just orderd my hemi block from bob george !!!!!!


Engine builder was on vacation, and I had to wait till he got back to check for pushrod lengths....So those are now ordered as well as I think everything else I needed....Almost ready for the dyno.

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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