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Re: The Quest Has Begun.......Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754110
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Pistons are really neat.....I do not know much about all the ring pack stuff, but these are very light....

My old 4.310 JE pistons weighed in at 741g and these new diamond pistons weigh 627g at 4.500"




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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun.......Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754111
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Keep the pics rolling!
Can't wait for Vid of it

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Diamonds in a perfect world were 10.75-1 for my motor. when everything sorted out I was 10.4-1. Dave

Re: The Quest Has Begun.......Parts Arrived! [Re: quickd100] #1754113
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i think i'm missing something here. what is the piston to wall clearance?

Re: The Quest Has Begun.......Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754114
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Nice stuff, enjoy

Re: The Quest Has Begun.......Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754115
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Spill your guts Randy, we need specs!! What did Bullet grind for you for starters????Dave




Actually I still need head studs, head gaskets, lifters, pushrods, and a torque convertor.

Cam is kinda mild...I would call it a good Drag Week cam if I ever get a chance to do that...Its a cross between race and street longevity...And its a Barton Grind for his big Hemi's. He says he has this grind in hundreds of big Hemi's with very good success and lots of miles on them, so I am looking forward to firing it up to say the least.



So, to borrow a term from the old days, you bought a 1/2 cam.
Congrats on the new mill!


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754116
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Congrats Randy! Hope the build goes smoothly for you!


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1754117
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We are learning a few things during this build...


Heads:
It looks like I need to go to standard length spark plug tubes instead of the long ones I had used on my 426-1 heads...The long ones definitely don't fit and we pulled a brand new MP set out of the box and those do fit. So there went another $100...

Cam seems like it wanted milder springs than the heads came with. Heads are set-up for 240 closed, and 420 open if I remember right. Or basically a +.700" roller cam.. While my cam only needs 140 or 150 closed, forget what it needed open. So I have a lot more spring than I need, not sure if I will change them. One nice thing that was noted was they are smaller in diameter and should clear standard valve covers better if that was something someone had to have, but we don't need...Still need lash caps as I forgot to order those, nother $100 I am sure. They check out very good when vacuum checked for sealing and blued up to check contact area. There is also a big increase in flow as I had a local shop flow them. Only thing that concerns me with fully ported 16 bolt heads is the lack of sealing surface between the bolts and intake ports...If this becomes a problem, all my intakes will be for sale to switch over to 10 bolt intakes as the heads are drilled for both. RTV is going to be my friend it seems.

We did notice some inconsistences in the rockers stands though. We are still mocking it up, and where they are pinned is not always correct. We have a set of OEM Cast Iron ones that line up perfectly so we know its the stands.





Block:
Is looking real good. Crank is in with one piston and rod for checking...We had it clearanced for the 4.75 stroke, but we have a ton of room around the rods. Looks like it was clearanced for aluminum rods as well. No biggy. It was taken apart and thoroughly cleaned after hone. We noticed with all the blind holes none seem to be drilled so deep as to break into the water jacket or the crank case area, so no thread locker/sealant is needed...Very nice change over the World block. We also drilled the valley oil return holes at the front and rear of the block bigger since it is a street engine. And man is it light!

Cam bearings fit the cam perfectly as the cam is already in. The pan rail is also very large, should have thought about the optional machining of it more.






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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754118
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What heads are you using?
Keep the progress coming.

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: DUSTER_340] #1754119
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So Randy what did those heads flow???Dave

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: quickd100] #1754120
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So Randy what did those heads flow???Dave




Ends up being a very good match for our cam...Just as the heads flatten out, we run out of cam. Its almost a 60cfm upgrade over my last heads!

These are the Indy Hipo heads or Canfields as some might remember...He are the numbers.




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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754121
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Very nice numbers Randy, my standard size valve heads flow only 386@.700. I think they could go 430+ if I could get someone to do the work.Dave

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good on the head flow, randy . ive been using 943 comp cams springs set them a t 1.960 installed height they are 235 on the seat and 590 open at 700 lift !! thet don't hurt parts !!!! ill be callin BG for a block in about a week !!!


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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???


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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???




I have not got that far yet, but it should not need any.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived! [Re: Dragula] #1754125
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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???




I have not got that far yet, but it should not need any.





You should be fine with a good 3/8" pushrod.We just finished a 605" with 7/16" Trend tapered pushrods.We checked them by putting machinist dye on them and spun them at .002 lash and found slight marking at the head/deck line.

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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???




I have not got that far yet, but it should not need any.





You should be fine with a good 3/8" pushrod.We just finished a 605" with 7/16" Trend tapered pushrods.We checked them by putting machinist dye on them and spun them at .002 lash and found slight marking at the head/deck line.




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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???




I have not got that far yet, but it should not need any.





You should be fine with a good 3/8" pushrod.We just finished a 605" with 7/16" Trend tapered pushrods.We checked them by putting machinist dye on them and spun them at .002 lash and found slight marking at the head/deck line.




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Well...More progress. The block is assembled with all the pistons, rods, rings, and the crank and cam. Getting ready to degree it in this week....

So the first question is, where do we install it? We are thinking putting it in just as the cam card states, but I want to hear some opinions. Also note, I am using Indy rockers and they have a higher ratio than OEM at 1.60 & 1.55 compared to 1.55 & 1.52 if I remember right...




Block progress was good until we got to the lifter bores last week. We had the crank in and one rod and piston when we found all the lifter bores undersized and especially tight at the bottom. Ron re-bored some and then re-honed all of them to size...Indy's catalogue says they are finish bored, but we found otherwise. Can't wait to pay that bill....

Also, I have decided to plumb an accumulator off the right front lower oil port just to the right of the timing cover. I will mount it to the engine plate and hopefully keep everything simple. I have fought oiling issues on my last two builds and do not want to take any chances with this one.









Heads are also assembled now, but the question remains, should we run this cam with springs that the heads came with which are #230 closed pressure when the cam only requires about #150 closed...I am thinking it might be worth switching...What say you guys?


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With a roller cam I'd err on the high side of spring pressure. Not enough and you accidently over rev it bad thing start to happen. I run 740# over the nose and never run the motor past 6300rpm. Dave

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