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Spill your guts Randy, we need specs!! What did Bullet grind for you for starters????Dave 
Actually I still need head studs, head gaskets, lifters, pushrods, and a torque convertor.
Cam is kinda mild...I would call it a good Drag Week cam if I ever get a chance to do that...Its a cross between race and street longevity...And its a Barton Grind for his big Hemi's. He says he has this grind in hundreds of big Hemi's with very good success and lots of miles on them, so I am looking forward to firing it up to say the least.
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Nice, what block did you go with?
It's an Indy block. Very light, for a Hemi. Especially when compared to the later World Block cast iron ones...I think mine was over 300lbs.
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great choice on parts !!! solid roller cam ?? i ran 9.60s on pump gas with that mopar iron block i going to call bob george this week and get a indy block my block weighed 315 lbs indy is 133 lbs  u get anything special done to the block ??
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great choice on parts !!! solid roller cam ?? i ran 9.60s on pump gas with that mopar iron block i going to call bob george this week and get a indy block my block weighed 315 lbs indy is 133 lbs u get anything special done to the block ??
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Nothing too special. I had it drilled and tapped for the oil cross-over line, had it clearance for the 4.75 stroke, and at the advice of Bob, it was decked a couple thou after the sleeves were put in..
Its not even a raised cam block as I did not want the added expense of a Jesel belt drive..Based on the cam, I was not going to need it. Its a mild mechanical with, just under .700" lift when you factor in my rockers.
So it needs final hone for final bore size and we will begin assembly....Got one other engine on the stand that will be coming off by then...Not mine, but a nice street engine.
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yup, keep the pictures, specs and progress coming!
Looks like a great start.
I agree with posting some specs on the build.
605 CID.... I remember when 500 CID was big ! 
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yup, keep the pictures, specs and progress coming!
Looks like a great start.
I agree with posting some specs on the build.
605 CID.... I remember when 500 CID was big !
Ok so you guys want some specs......
With BGR's help we spec'd out some cool stuff. The Eagle Rods are 7.1 with ARP 2000 bolts. This was an upgrade BGR wanted due to the stroke of the engine. My understanding is the rods take a lot of abuse in a stroker mill...
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Spill your guts Randy, we need specs!! What did Bullet grind for you for starters????Dave
Actually I still need head studs, head gaskets, lifters, pushrods, and a torque convertor.
Cam is kinda mild...I would call it a good Drag Week cam if I ever get a chance to do that...Its a cross between race and street longevity...And its a Barton Grind for his big Hemi's. He says he has this grind in hundreds of big Hemi's with very good success and lots of miles on them, so I am looking forward to firing it up to say the least.
So, to borrow a term from the old days, you bought a 1/2 cam. 
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Congrats Randy! Hope the build goes smoothly for you!
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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We are learning a few things during this build... Heads: It looks like I need to go to standard length spark plug tubes instead of the long ones I had used on my 426-1 heads...The long ones definitely don't fit and we pulled a brand new MP set out of the box and those do fit. So there went another $100... Cam seems like it wanted milder springs than the heads came with. Heads are set-up for 240 closed, and 420 open if I remember right. Or basically a +.700" roller cam.. While my cam only needs 140 or 150 closed, forget what it needed open. So I have a lot more spring than I need, not sure if I will change them. One nice thing that was noted was they are smaller in diameter and should clear standard valve covers better if that was something someone had to have, but we don't need...Still need lash caps as I forgot to order those, nother $100 I am sure. They check out very good when vacuum checked for sealing and blued up to check contact area. There is also a big increase in flow as I had a local shop flow them. Only thing that concerns me with fully ported 16 bolt heads is the lack of sealing surface between the bolts and intake ports...If this becomes a problem, all my intakes will be for sale to switch over to 10 bolt intakes as the heads are drilled for both. RTV is going to be my friend it seems. We did notice some inconsistences in the rockers stands though. We are still mocking it up, and where they are pinned is not always correct. We have a set of OEM Cast Iron ones that line up perfectly so we know its the stands.   Block: Is looking real good. Crank is in with one piston and rod for checking...We had it clearanced for the 4.75 stroke, but we have a ton of room around the rods. Looks like it was clearanced for aluminum rods as well. No biggy. It was taken apart and thoroughly cleaned after hone. We noticed with all the blind holes none seem to be drilled so deep as to break into the water jacket or the crank case area, so no thread locker/sealant is needed...Very nice change over the World block. We also drilled the valley oil return holes at the front and rear of the block bigger since it is a street engine. And man is it light! Cam bearings fit the cam perfectly as the cam is already in. The pan rail is also very large, should have thought about the optional machining of it more.   
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???
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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???
I have not got that far yet, but it should not need any.
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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???
I have not got that far yet, but it should not need any.
You should be fine with a good 3/8" pushrod.We just finished a 605" with 7/16" Trend tapered pushrods.We checked them by putting machinist dye on them and spun them at .002 lash and found slight marking at the head/deck line.
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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???
I have not got that far yet, but it should not need any.
You should be fine with a good 3/8" pushrod.We just finished a 605" with 7/16" Trend tapered pushrods.We checked them by putting machinist dye on them and spun them at .002 lash and found slight marking at the head/deck line.
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keep up the good work !!! keep posting !! need to clearance the block for pusrods ???
I have not got that far yet, but it should not need any.
You should be fine with a good 3/8" pushrod.We just finished a 605" with 7/16" Trend tapered pushrods.We checked them by putting machinist dye on them and spun them at .002 lash and found slight marking at the head/deck line.
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Well...More progress. The block is assembled with all the pistons, rods, rings, and the crank and cam. Getting ready to degree it in this week.... So the first question is, where do we install it? We are thinking putting it in just as the cam card states, but I want to hear some opinions. Also note, I am using Indy rockers and they have a higher ratio than OEM at 1.60 & 1.55 compared to 1.55 & 1.52 if I remember right...  Block progress was good until we got to the lifter bores last week. We had the crank in and one rod and piston when we found all the lifter bores undersized and especially tight at the bottom. Ron re-bored some and then re-honed all of them to size...Indy's catalogue says they are finish bored, but we found otherwise. Can't wait to pay that bill.... Also, I have decided to plumb an accumulator off the right front lower oil port just to the right of the timing cover. I will mount it to the engine plate and hopefully keep everything simple. I have fought oiling issues on my last two builds and do not want to take any chances with this one.     Heads are also assembled now, but the question remains, should we run this cam with springs that the heads came with which are #230 closed pressure when the cam only requires about #150 closed...I am thinking it might be worth switching...What say you guys? 
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My engine builder is on vacation, but yes the build is almost complete. Cam is in, pistons are in, everything is degree'd in...New inner heads studs showed up along with Cometec gaskets. Three builds, three different length inner heads studs. And the lash caps showed up.
Lastly, the new carburetor showed up, and I picked up a used large plenum intake...We were deciding on an oil pan and I think I have that picked out, so the old one is for sale. And we did run into a small snag on the push rods.
We measured up for new push rods and I was going to order a set, the we noticed our checker is not fully seated in the lifters. The lifters I have require 5/16" tips, so I need to borrow a checker with a 5/16" tip to get the lengths. Friend of mine offered, I just need to go pick it up.
So I need push rods, an oil pan, accumulator, and a hood, and we should be off to a dyno...hopefully.
The carb I got I went with Holley due to my previous experiences with Pro Systems. Both my previous carbs from him were way out to lunch...Well, I got a Holley 1250 G3 and it was wet flowed, and I took it apart because none of the jetting was documented anywhere....
First thing I figure out, they switched the intermediate air bleeds with the idle air bleeds, and me never having a 3-circuit before, figured that out....Next, it has a power valve in the front, and I do not run those in any of my carbs...and what they have the intermediate circuit jetted is way off the range I was told to run, so I need to order some jets and bleeds. Luckily there a few people out there with this combo and I have a baseline to start with...I miss EFI!
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Well...More progress. The block is assembled with all the pistons, rods, rings, and the crank and cam. Getting ready to degree it in this week....
So the first question is, where do we install it? We are thinking putting it in just as the cam card states, but I want to hear some opinions. Also note, I am using Indy rockers and they have a higher ratio than OEM at 1.60 & 1.55 compared to 1.55 & 1.52 if I remember right...
Block progress was good until we got to the lifter bores last week. We had the crank in and one rod and piston when we found all the lifter bores undersized and especially tight at the bottom. Ron re-bored some and then re-honed all of them to size...Indy's catalogue says they are finish bored, but we found otherwise. Can't wait to pay that bill....
Also, I have decided to plumb an accumulator off the right front lower oil port just to the right of the timing cover. I will mount it to the engine plate and hopefully keep everything simple. I have fought oiling issues on my last two builds and do not want to take any chances with this one.
Heads are also assembled now, but the question remains, should we run this cam with springs that the heads came with which are #230 closed pressure when the cam only requires about #150 closed...I am thinking it might be worth switching...What say you guys?
On where to put the cam, with a motor that big, I would think later is better than earlier, but only a dyno knows for sure!
On the valve springs, I would error on the strong side, unless I found an engine builder willing to offer his experience with your valvetrain and lobe design. It is a bummer to not know which way to go, but a bigger one to have hurt valve train parts due to weak springs for the app. How many miles do you expect to drive this per year? If it is very limited, it becomes a no brainer. I am assuming this is a roller cam?
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No actually its not a roller cam....as stated previously too many of my friends have had issues with the rollers lately and they have their engines wiped out. We went with a solid mechanical and tool steel lifters...Basically, we went with what Barton uses on 90% of these as far as cam and lifters.
And yes, we will leave the seat pressure the way it is on the valves for now. #230 closed instead of #160...
And as for getting this in the car, it seems I am nearly out of time as the season opens in three weeks and first points race is May 2nd, and we have so much to do yet. I was hoping to have this in the car, but hernia surgery and cost to build, just kinda beat me up this last bit of winter...
I will keep at it, as we do want to put this in the drag car, its just not going to make it in right away. I guess that's what you get when you start an engine build at the end of January.
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That sounds like a lot of spring for a flat tappet. Is the cam or lifters specially hardened? Not criticizing hear, just haven't heard of that much spring on flat tappets.
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That sounds like a lot of spring for a flat tappet. Is the cam or lifters specially hardened? Not criticizing hear, just haven't heard of that much spring on flat tappets.
Yes they are hardened...I am told, they really don't need a break in , and I can go cam to cam with them....Apparently, they have logged many thousands of street and strip miles on these with very good results and little to no failure in a lot of big inch Hemis...Give him a call if you don't believe me. I have a friend that lost his 493 at the end of the season due to a roller lifter failure...I am not going there. My buddy is running it in his 572 hemi, so it can't be that bad.
New carb showed up....And I picked up the new intake...Its big!
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Looks great, Randy! Best of luck with your new bullet!
FWIW, I ran the Comp Cams 829 roller lifters in my 528. Logged thousands of street miles with no issues. Cam lobe design has a lot to do with it.
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Looks great, Randy! Best of luck with your new bullet!
FWIW, I ran the Comp Cams 829 roller lifters in my 528. Logged thousands of street miles with no issues. Cam lobe design has a lot to do with it.
I have also run those with no issues, but one of my racing buddies sends his lifters back to Comp for rebuilding, and the last two seasons 3-4 come back brand new as not repairable. He said they used to all get rebuilt with no issues, but not the last couple of seasons...I know of others that had issues as well. I can always go roller with these heads later. I actually still have that crazy .750 lift efi cam I could always put in this thing...
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That sounds like a lot of spring for a flat tappet. Is the cam or lifters specially hardened? Not criticizing hear, just haven't heard of that much spring on flat tappets.
Yes they are hardened...I am told, they really don't need a break in , and I can go cam to cam with them....Apparently, they have logged many thousands of street and strip miles on these with very good results and little to no failure in a lot of big inch Hemis...Give him a call if you don't believe me. I have a friend that lost his 493 at the end of the season due to a roller lifter failure...I am not going there. My buddy is running it in his 572 hemi, so it can't be that bad.
New carb showed up....And I picked up the new intake...Its big!
Good info.
Being able to run springs like that, rpms ought to be no problem, course, your gonna have enough torque to through the earth orbit off a bit 
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Randy, looking killer. Jealous for sure. What valve covers and distributor?
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any more updates ?? just orderd my hemi block from bob george !!!!!!
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Ok 572charger - you need to start a new build thread so we can see what's coming to the streets of Pittsburgh.
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i think randy is doing a great job on his build ! i would if i could figure out how to post pics on here!!!! LOL
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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i think randy is doing a great job on his build ! i would if i could figure out how to post pics on here!!!! LOL very simple now. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...tml#Post1799584
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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any more updates ?? just orderd my hemi block from bob george !!!!!! Engine builder was on vacation, and I had to wait till he got back to check for pushrod lengths....So those are now ordered as well as I think everything else I needed....Almost ready for the dyno. Latest pic 
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[quote] Also, I have decided to plumb an accumulator off the right front lower oil port just to the right of the timing cover. I will mount it to the engine plate and hopefully keep everything simple. I have fought oiling issues on my last two builds and do not want to take any chances with this one. I might be wrong but I though that oil port was a suction port for use if you used a external oil pick up from the pan. Might want to check on that.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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Was lucky, we had a set of milder springs down at the shop....Right around 145lbs closed, and we pulled the big springs off and swapped the milder ones on....So now we should have everything matched up properly.
Heads and chambers and valves were all checked for clearances to the pistons, and we are a go for final assembly. Very happy we did that as a big thanks goes out to Ron yet again.
So we are getting close to getting it on the dyno now....First points race is next week, so we can't go that weekend, but soon hopefully.
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So 2016 is here**********************************************
Ok....So I built that motor last year, and I wiped out a cam lobe at the end of the season. It was a solid mechical cam from Bullet and RBRE Tool Steel lifters.....Lesson we learned, remove the inner springs when doing cam break in. Low oil pressure at an idle probably wasn't helping.
So this gave me the opportunity to work on it this winter. Some internal upgrades were a re-line honing the mains. We had low oil pressure at idle after it was warm, and we found some excessive clearances. We had the caps dusted, and set clearances at .002-.0025"....Now we got oil pressure!
Next was the cam, I priced a mild cam similar to what I had, but in a roller....It would have been another $450...So I had an old cam holding a door closed laying around we looked up the numbers on. After a lot of discussions and back and forth, I decided to put the old cam in. It was notorious for eating push rods, but it was free, and was in the performance range I wanted. So in it went.
Now it says .738 lift, but recalculate that for the Indy roller rockers, and we are at .752 lift!
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From the cam delema, we went on with what to do about the block feeding high pressure oil to the accumulator. Needless to say we called a few folks, but were never able to make the accumulator work with the port we were using on the block. We gave up and blocked off the port, and I pulled the accumulator out of the car....Subtract another 20lbs.
Next up, was sealing every nook and cranny on the engine. Spent at least an hour with a tube of RTV making sure all the leak points were sealed.
Next, I am not sure I covered the oil pan delema. I had a Milidon on order, it never showed up. I ended up gutting my pan to clear the stroke. Scrapper and windage tray were cut out. I tweaked it some more this winter and added a scraper that we sandwiched in there instead of the welded one that was in there for a 4.15 stroke. We also found the swinging pickup sticking and fixed that as well.
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So we did get the motor all back in the car about two weeks ago, and the fuel system promptly ate both needle and seats in my 1250 carb after we had it running. Looks like some of the E10 guncked up the regulator and it really hit the carb with some fuel pressure. System had to be fully flushed out. Hopefully its all ok now.
Next delema was the new hood...I wanted a shaker for the last year or so back on the car, and finally pulled the trigger on one...Man my hinges are just all out of shape and just fought me tooth and nail. needless to say, its on the car now, and I like it. I had to remove about .375 off the intake to give me a little more clearance, but I got it all under there....Now off to paint.
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Is the Shaker relatively "stock" height? How much room b/t the carb and the scoop? Looks REAL close!
Who made the hood for you?
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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Is the Shaker relatively "stock" height? How much room b/t the carb and the scoop? Looks REAL close!
Who made the hood for you? I wanted a taller than stock shaker, and they said this would be an inch taller, I do not have a stock one so I don't know if it is actually taller or not. I will tell you, it was real close, and barely fit. I did not want to cut the intake down, but I wanted the hood on there more and it needed a little more clearance. Getting an air cleaner to fit looks to be a real problem. I do want to seal it to the hood for racing eventually, not that I will need the extra hp due to lack of a full cage, but I can't help myself anymore. I don't fight the urge like I used to. More pics soon I hope.
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It does look like it's gonna be a compromise w/ carb clearance, but yes...it looks good! I think you're gonna have to cut a lot of the manifold to fit an air cleaner.
Something like the pic below of Harry Schillings' cuda is what I had in mind. It's raised up around the scoop to give extra clearance. I'd love to know who made this hood for him.
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Harry is a good friend of mine and we talked for about an hour on how he built his...I think the call to Canada cost me about $.4/min, so that was expensive. Maybe I will attempt one like his later. For now, this will work.
I took it on its maiden voyage to the local gas station....The cam seems mild in this motor which has really suprised me. Idles at 1000rpm and seems happy cruising along at 2800rpm....Stranded me at the gas station though....Looks like my nearly new Red top battery is toast. It would not re-start the car when I shut it off. I will take it in and have it tested tomorrow. Maybe switch to a Yellow top.
But the car drives nice and smooth and AFR was pretty good. Got to check timing again, do a valve lash hot and I need parts.
So on the list:
New battery
New rear tires
Paint hood
Adjustable tubular upper a-arms
Probably drivers 5 way belt
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From the cam delema, we went on with what to do about the block feeding high pressure oil to the accumulator. Needless to say we called a few folks, but were never able to make the accumulator work with the port we were using on the block. We gave up and blocked off the port, and I pulled the accumulator out of the car....Subtract another 20lbs.
Next up, was sealing every nook and cranny on the engine. Spent at least an hour with a tube of RTV making sure all the leak points were sealed.
Next, I am not sure I covered the oil pan delema. I had a Milidon on order, it never showed up. I ended up gutting my pan to clear the stroke. Scrapper and windage tray were cut out. I tweaked it some more this winter and added a scraper that we sandwiched in there instead of the welded one that was in there for a 4.15 stroke. We also found the swinging pickup sticking and fixed that as well.
I guess you found out you can't build pressure from a suction port. I would plumb in the accumulator off another port. Do you have a remote oil filter?
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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Is that motor in the car on a motor plate ?
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Did Harry modify that hood himself? If not, do you know who made it for him?
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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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I guess you found out you can't build pressure from a suction port. I would plumb in the accumulator off another port. Do you have a remote oil filter?
I was told, it was a pressure supply port, but we could not get pressure from it, so the assumption its a suction port could be inferred, I guess. I have no other current way to get an AN10 line to attach to the block right now, so the accumulator is on the shelf for now. Is that motor in the car on a motor plate ? Yes its a full plate.
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Harry has a body shop guy that is a friend of his,who built it for him. He originally had a Sox & Martin 6pk type scoop that they ran in the early beginnings of pro stock. The scoop is pretty slick. We both have pretty much the same motor, and he's always had 2mph over me,because his scoop cuts through the air and mine is parachute. Thanks for the info! I'm surprised his is that much faster than yours. Both of you have nice and fast cars!
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'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Parts Arrived!
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[quote=rowin4]
I guess you found out you can't build pressure from a suction port. I would plumb in the accumulator off another port. Do you have a remote oil filter? I was told, it was a pressure supply port, but we could not get pressure from it, so the assumption its a suction port could be inferred, I guess. I have no other current way to get an AN10 line to attach to the block right now, so the accumulator is on the shelf for now. Does the Indy block have oil pressure ports on the rear like a stock block, that would be the place to plumb ... unless the ports are supplying oil to the heads ?
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[quote=rowin4]
I guess you found out you can't build pressure from a suction port. I would plumb in the accumulator off another port. Do you have a remote oil filter? I was told, it was a pressure supply port, but we could not get pressure from it, so the assumption its a suction port could be inferred, I guess. I have no other current way to get an AN10 line to attach to the block right now, so the accumulator is on the shelf for now. Does the Indy block have oil pressure ports on the rear like a stock block, that would be the place to plumb ... unless the ports are supplying oil to the heads ? Yes it does, but they are small....Nothing I would use for an AN10 line.
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So just an update.......At the first track outing, the car did remarkably well. Went a best of 6.32 at 108mph and the only thing I worked on was the rear suspension. So thru the mufflers, on DOT approved 31x15 Hoosier QTP's and mono leafs with Rancho rear shocks, it went 6.32 at 108....Had a bunch of 6.40's and the tuning on the rear shocks finally netted some improvements in the launch for a bunch of runs in the 6.3's with a best 60ft of 1.38.... Still had the cowl hood on it....Vid of 6.36 run against my buddy's race car...I won! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVTE82X6ZQ8
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Lookin good man and the scoop change will change the tune as you noticed but should come around........
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Looking good, much easier to fix then cast iron. Agree'd, but not what I had in mind for my Hemi this year that is for sure.
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It has to make you feel good that it is repairable. I'm guessing you'll forget all about it when you fire that puppy up again.
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Question?
Do you ned to put the main caps in and torque them down before you weld the block pieces back in so it limits the distortion from the welding?
Asking as I am looking at a used block that needs similar repairs.
Good luck with it.
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Question?
Do you ned to put the main caps in and torque them down before you weld the block pieces back in so it limits the distortion from the welding?
Asking as I am looking at a used block that needs similar repairs.
Good luck with it.
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No, but we will be checking for it when its done. We have to heat it to around 200* so we can weld it. We have an oven in the shop that we normally cook CI blocks in to get all the junk off of before shot blasting them. So we are going to put it on super low temp and bring it up to welding temperature......Should be done next weekend if all goes well.
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Good to see you`ll be back in action again.............
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I'm so glad that your block ended up being repairable. That had to be a sick feeling in your gut.
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Glad to see it going back together.  I agree, and good luck with the rebuild. Mark
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Randy, kudos to the guy who did the block repairs. Look at it this way....those battle scars give the block some character!
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Randy, kudos to the guy who did the block repairs. Look at it this way....those battle scars give the block some character! Thanks former Hemi guy...It certainly gives me a story to tell....The block is actually stronger than it was, maybe not prettier. There is more in it for power. We were working our way into the tune up and I think we really had the carb good, and I know the car had a mid 6.20 somthing in it....6.311 was the best pass that day. So its met my expectations as far as ET goes for a mild street car. I want to do Drag Week one of these years...Maybe not super fast for a 605, but it looks like the high gear in the trans was toast and answers why the MPH was down some...Guess we need to work on reliability.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Well, its been a little slow going, but the block as shown above is fixed and needs only some good clearance checking and cleaning and it should be ready to go, and this week, the crank came back all fixed....Thank goodness. That would have been expensive to replace. So now if AJ Casini will just return my call, I can get an idea on the replacement parts I know I need. And where do I get one of those oil filter plates that will sandwich in there and allow me to go to a accumulator?  
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Glad it's coming along, what's up with your job if you don't mind me asking? Actually, I don't mind....I work for Greatbatch Medical doing swiss CNC machining. The comapny bought Lake Region Medical and assumed the name Integer....Well, they have decided they do not need the 400 different machined medical parts we provide, made here in NY anymore and are moving it all minus the people...I do not want to start a political debate, but you can basically guess where. They gave us 12 months give or take... [/quote] I used the short dipstick fitting in my trans[GM TH350]Looks like you did also.I hope your trans hold up,I had trouble burning clutches,bands.My trans is fresh now hoping for better results next yr.Good luck with the job! [/quote] I only burnt the high gear clutches and there are some tricks we did to the trans to improve flow, holding power and pressure. One set of clutches are grooved, and the other set are not. I do not recall which set is or isn't...We also bought there billet drum and thinner clutches and it holds more of them. Lots of goodies in it. Should easily survive 1000hp at my weight. For the dipstick, I do not really like these, but there seems to be limited choices.
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Can I ask what trans fluid you use? Nothing fancy here, just Napa Type F...It was over a quart low due to a leak it had when high gear started slipping. Put about a dozen passes on it before it really slipped. Had a heck of a leak, which we have found and fixed...New pan adds another two quarts over the deep steel pan.
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Can I ask what trans fluid you use? Nothing fancy here, just Napa Type F...It was over a quart low due to a leak it had when high gear started slipping. Put about a dozen passes on it before it really slipped. Had a heck of a leak, which we have found and fixed...New pan adds another two quarts over the deep steel pan. Well I might have spoke too soon on that. I used to run ATF in all my race stuff. But according to A&A, I should be running ATF +4 for OD trans now that I am running their clutch pack....So we will be switching this year.
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Good to see it going back together! That car has always been one of my favorites on Moparts! Thanks....Won't be long now....Most of the parts are ordered.
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I guess you found out you can't build pressure from a suction port. I would plumb in the accumulator off another port. Do you have a remote oil filter? I was told, it was a pressure supply port, but we could not get pressure from it, so the assumption its a suction port could be inferred, I guess. I have no other current way to get an AN10 line to attach to the block right now, so the accumulator is on the shelf for now. Does the Indy block have oil pressure ports on the rear like a stock block, that would be the place to plumb ... unless the ports are supplying oil to the heads ? Yes it does, but they are small....Nothing I would use for an AN10 line. There are no ports on the pressure side of the pump that are AN-10, only aftermarket suction side lines are that size. With an Indy block you can run the internal pickup (3/8 or 1/2 " dia), or put on the blockoff plate and input with an external line to the port on front of the block that you tried to use, running an external line from the pan. Some guys use a plate between the pump and the block for the input like I have (Milodon 21001) on my 500, or a plate on the other side of the pump (Milodon 21205) to feed from that side. Or use both and feed the pump from both sides, but that can make the pump stack too big and it can interfere with the K frame. You want the accumulator to be plumbed to the pressure side of the pump which can also be through one of the oil passages in the block. That line does not need to be AN-10. Heck, look at the threads that the oil filter screws onto - that is the pump outlet and it is smaller. I have always thought it would be good to have a normally closed solenoid valve at the accumulator that is powered by the ignition, so whenever the ign is on the accumulator is connected to the oil passages. When you go to fire up the motor the pressure in the accumulator is released and pre-oils the motor, and if you get starvation at the pickup the accumulator supplies pressure. When you shut down the motor the pressure gets trapped in the accumulator for next time. One way to tap into the pressure side of the pump may be to go through the pump cover, or use a remote filter cover (Milodon 21225) and tee into the filter lines.
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[quote=Dragula][quote=Clanton]
Well I might have spoke too soon on that. I used to run ATF in all my race stuff. But according to A&A, I should be running ATF +4 for OD trans now that I am running their clutch pack....So we will be switching this year. That's odd, I wonder why they recommend that? ATF +4 has added friction modifiers that allow the lock up clutch to SLIP on application to combat lock up converter shudder ...
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[quote=Dragula][quote=Clanton]
Well I might have spoke too soon on that. I used to run ATF in all my race stuff. But according to A&A, I should be running ATF +4 for OD trans now that I am running their clutch pack....So we will be switching this year. That's odd, I wonder why they recommend that? ATF +4 has added friction modifiers that allow the lock up clutch to SLIP on application to combat lock up converter shudder ... One of the clutch packs they sent me has no grooves in the clutches, so I am not sure, but that's one thing I know was different on this build than past builds. We also squeezed more clutches in the pack with their setup...So maybe they need a thinner film...
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Are you running one or two pickups from the pan? I assume that your oil pump cover has a pickup. I ask because I went out to the shop and looked at the 540 and the 500 and how I have them plumbed. The 500 has a 2 piece Indy maxx pump cover that will allow 2 pickups, but I am only using one. The 540 is using the front entrance like the one you tried to hook the accumulator to. I was using a plate under the pump (have to use a longer driveshaft) but the stack interfered with the K frame with the motor plate I had. Both of these seem to be working OK so far. When I was building that 540 (mega block) I obtained a used Milodon 21000 2 piece pump cover that has the AN-10 inlet thinking I would use the bottom plate and the cover to feed the pump from both sides if I had feed issues. Both of those pieces are on the shelf now. That pump cover is about 1" think and it could be drilled/tapped for a fitting on the outside that would tap into the outlet side of the pump. Maybe even an AN-10 if you placed it in the right place to clear the bolts. Smaller would fit even better. Looking at the pics of that block you do not appear to have many other options if you want a AN-10 line to the accumulator. PM me if you are interested in either of these pieces, priced right. I also have the pickup. Looks like this one but the cover is hard anodized. http://www.jegs.com/i/Milodon/697/21000/10002/-1Under pump feed plate is shown in this pic: https://www.carid.com/milodon/swivel-connect-mpn-21150.html
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I run the Milodon pump plate for a remote filter. I plumbed the outlet #8 line to the filter and put a tee in the return line at the pump to plumb in the accumulator. It works perfect. I have a electric solenoid in the accumulator lower end of the line , [ no waiting for oil ] at the inlet of the pump that turns on with the ignition switch to prelube the engine. Upon engine start the accumulator refills and maintains the same pressure as the engine oil gauge. As for 5/8" line, don't see it would do much more than the #8 [1/2"] , all the oil lines inside the block are pretty small and the accumulator is only 1/2" , any valving makes flow smaller yet.
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[quote=Dragula][quote=Clanton]
Well I might have spoke too soon on that. I used to run ATF in all my race stuff. But according to A&A, I should be running ATF +4 for OD trans now that I am running their clutch pack....So we will be switching this year. That's odd, I wonder why they recommend that? ATF +4 has added friction modifiers that allow the lock up clutch to SLIP on application to combat lock up converter shudder ... In spite of the friction modifiers, many trans guys claim Mopar ATF+4 is the best fluid made
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Well the short block is going together nicely this year....I have a billet rail oil pan in the works as well, and need just a few more parts yet. And, I landed a new job!
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Congratulations on the new job!
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Well the short block is going together nicely this year....I have a billet rail oil pan in the works as well, and need just a few more parts yet. And, I landed a new job! Right on man on both counts, new income and outcome at the same time.......... 
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Whats up with that oil filter???
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Whats up with that oil filter??? Its a K&P Engineering re-usable filter. I have a couple of them I bought from Ray Bartons shop. I like these a lot better than others I have used.  And sanwhiched between the Milidon pump & cover and the oil filter is an adapter to go to my Accumulator  One of the things we have learned about Hemi engines with aluminum blocks is oil control, or lack there of gets you in trouble quick. What you can't see this year is we modified the block ports that feed the heads and put restrictors in those. We had much debate about the size to use and settled on .070" holes in them. Also the Ohio Crank boys did an awesome job on the re-work of the 4.75 crank. bearing clearances are set at .0015-.0025...Bigger and you will have less oil pressure than optimal at idle. We had to re-hone the crank bore in the block because one journal was bigger and then tell the guys at Ohio Crank what our sizes were. Its spins like glass on wet ice in there....
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Looks nice, but that sounds awful tight on the bearing clearance.
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Looks nice, but that sounds awful tight on the bearing clearance. THIS!!!!
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I have .0024" on the rods w/ coated Clevite bearings and .0035" on the mains w/ regular Speed Pro 119M bearings. No problems w/ idle oil pressure. Only reason the rods are as tight as they are is due to the coating.
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Well, I got it all in the car yesterday and running. Its all home now and sounds mean....Got it all put in and running in about 5 hours with a little help. The new trans is working nice too...We went the next step with a lot of really good parts from A&A because the day the rod let go, the trans had 3rd gear end up in the pan and was on the verge of not moving at all. We now have one of their billet drums with a ton of clutches in it and a few other goodies. I was impressed by how smooth it is. I also ended up using the Milodon steel pan because another manufacturer cannot read the dimensions on a cad print for a pan....So needless to say, I have a very expensive spare pan if anyone is interested......With the restrictors in the block, the oil pressure is super steady at 82psi cold...Can't wait to try a test drive. Hopefully we do not burn any push rods restricting the upper end. That was an issue previously with this cam. The Thumper carb just fires right up too... All told, I killed two rods, two pistons, two valve guides and associated valves, one oil pump, one oil pan, had to repair the block & crank....Oh and high gear in the trans....covered the headers in 20-50 and dinged one with the rod cap. Plus all the associated gaskets.....Not sure the total, but it wasn't cheap. We found some issues with the heads we addressed this time as well. Based on the hassle I had in tech last week with my other car, and this car not having a full cage, I may not get a chance to race it this year. My other car is fully certed, and tech was really being a PITA, so who knows. I might sell this engine to build a G3 Hemi and keep this car in the 10's... [img:left]  [/img]
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All told, I killed two rods, two pistons, two valve guides and associated valves, one oil pump, one oil pan, had to repair the block & crank....Oh and high gear in the trans....covered the headers in 20-50 and dinged one with the rod cap. Plus all the associated gaskets.....Not sure the total, but it wasn't cheap. We found some issues with the heads we addressed this time as well. What was the root cause of the failure? I'll be firing up my Hemi soon (with a lot of the same parts). Just hoping to learn from your experience. Thanks!
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All told, I killed two rods, two pistons, two valve guides and associated valves, one oil pump, one oil pan, had to repair the block & crank....Oh and high gear in the trans....covered the headers in 20-50 and dinged one with the rod cap. Plus all the associated gaskets.....Not sure the total, but it wasn't cheap. We found some issues with the heads we addressed this time as well. What was the root cause of the failure? I'll be firing up my Hemi soon (with a lot of the same parts). Just hoping to learn from your experience. Thanks! Well, two things, you can NEVER have a big enough oil pan with a Hemi, and we did not restrict the flow of oil to the heads. I now have restrictors in the block. Hopefully, we do not limit it too much and burn up push rods. Burned #7 rod bearing on a pass and it all let go....
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The good news is, I can take a picture of the inside of the oil pan now for you. The bad news is, the rebuild didn't make it 10 miles down the road before major issues occurred.
So I got the engine running a few weeks ago, and it was in the car about a week. Went to take its maiden voyage down to the corner gas station and back, just to feel it out and put a few miles on it, and half way there, oil pressure started dropping.
I just happened to look across at the gauges and finally saw full engine temp and then looked over at the oil pressure, and it was already down to 45psi from 82psi....WTH!
Pull over and call a friend for a tow, no one answers...Fire it up and drive home, and it was down to 10psi if I am lucky by the time I pulled it back in.
So to make a long story short, I pull the engine a few days later and get it down to the shop. Pulled it apart, and struggled to find anything wrong.
Seems the crank we just had repaired, went and sprung once it reached full temp. That's the best explanation we can find. It was out .003" and I know it was straight when we put it in. Called Ohio crank about it, and they said that can happen on repairs like that.
So now, I am out my summer car, as I do not yet have a spare engine built. And I am wondering what my next move is....
Called Bryant for a crank, and its 14 weeks to get one...Still waiting to hear back about a Callie's for lead time. Might just sell it and build another 400/512 or a G3...Pretty depressed about it. Two summers in a row and Mopar day is this Saturday...no cruise nights or car shows this year either...
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Sorry to hear that man and can't you street the Duster..........
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Sorry to hear that man and can't you street the Duster..........
I have thought about that....But got this nice looking Cuda sitting here with insurance and a fresh trans all ready to go, minus an engine...
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I know you must really love your engine builder but don't you honestly think it's time for a divorce. Man I would love to have the money you spent on builds over the last five years. I wish you nothing but success on your next project
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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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I honestly don't think its his fault. It kicked a rod last year, and I sent it out to repair instead of replacing it. Finding all this out is like one of those doctors commercials, in the fine print, a repaired crank can retain a lot of stress in it after the repair.
At this point, I have an entire engine minus a crank....or at least a straight crank. And getting a new 4.75 crank is a lot tougher than I thought. Seems the standard is a 4.5...So maybe change crank and pistons and go 572, dunno....I am depressed.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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How about seeing about straightening it and heating it up to 250 to 300 F several times afterwards to see if it has taken a permanent set or not  All things steel are fixable with enough effort   Powder coating company heat their stuff up in large ovens to around those temperatures Maybe have it heated up several times first and then straighten it 
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Man, Hot Rods can be not worth it some days. Hope you can find a new crank for it. There has to be one somewhere.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
[Re: Dragula]
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Call Crower on the crank...
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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I just got a 4.75 crank from Ohio 2 weeks ago. Are they out of stock? Yes they are out...And those are on the cheapish side. Not sure if I wanted to go that route. Whatever the material Bryant uses is twice as strong as the 4340 cranks. I think he said 43M300...not sure, but 14 week lead time. How about seeing about straightening it and heating it up to 250 to 300 F several times afterwards to see if it has taken a permanent set or not All things steel are fixable with enough effort Powder coating company heat their stuff up in large ovens to around those temperatures Maybe have it heated up several times first and then straighten it This is what we might be up to.....It was a good crank, and its still is, but it has .003 in it now.... Call Crower on the crank... Had not thought about them. Looked up Weinberg last night, and 4.5" was it...
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Make a few calls to possibly Indy, Best Machine, Bob George Racing, and any other shops you can think of. Who knows what they have on stock and willing to part with
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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Make a few calls to possibly Indy, Best Machine, Bob George Racing, and any other shops you can think of. Who knows what they have on stock and willing to part with I have been in touch with AJ at BGR...He got me the one quote for a Callie's...Just didn't let me know lead time. I will keep that one in mind. Got a call, it was straightened again and all polished up. Not sure if the guy was happy about doing it or not....We will probably heat cycle it in the oven at the shop and make a judgement call on it. We also have a run in stand we can fire it up on and just see what happens before it goes in the car this time.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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I don't understand how the crank can be causing the pressure loss after being machined. When you say it's out .003", are you talking clearance or out of square? Can it not be ground .010" undersize on a straight cut?
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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[quote=pittsburghracer]Make a few calls to possibly Indy, Best Machine, Bob George Racing, and any other shops you can think of. Who knows what they have on stock and willing to part with I have been in touch with AJ at BGR...He got me the one quote for a Callie's...Just didn't let me know lead time. Just in case you might be interested. http://boI will keep that one in mind. Got a call, it was straightened again and all polished up. Not sure if the guy was happy about doing it or not....We will probably heat cycle it in the oven at the shop and make a judgement call on it. We also have a run in stand we can fire it up on and just see what happens before it goes in the car this time. Might be something to think about. Lets try this again. https://www.thebalance.com/cryogenic-hardening-2340006
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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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The .003 out made me think that the crank was warped. I don't know how just engine heat , even 200 degrees would warp a crank. I can see how welding could . Was the crank checked for straightness after the journal was welded up ? if not is the journal now out of whack to the rest of the crank ?
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
[Re: Dragula]
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Winberg will make whatever you want. Toured their facility past year. Not sure on lead time.
FWIW I currently have a Crower, Moldex and Bryant in my junk.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Well, we straightened the crank again, and it now has only .0001" runout....new bearings are here, so we sent it all out for line hone, again...
Then, its ready for assembly....again.
And I see the photobucket again is doing somthing to my posted pictures..
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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They want money from you, especially since they see you spending all that money on the hemi, LOL.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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They want money from you, especially since they see you spending all that money on the hemi, LOL. Us Hemi guys have no money.....need a new photo hosting sight anyways. They sucked.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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keep us posted on the outcome please.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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I'm so glad you are finally getting a fresh set of eyes on your engine. I know he's your friend but man you have had some issues for the ET's you are going. Good luck and I too hope it's a simple issue
1970 Duster
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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Looks good, Randy. What was the cause of the low oil pressure? Are you waiting until next spring to fire it up?
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Whats up with that oil filter??? Its a K&P Engineering re-usable filter. I have a couple of them I bought from Ray Bartons shop. I like these a lot better than others I have used. And sanwhiched between the Milidon pump & cover and the oil filter is an adapter to go to my Accumulator Just curious, was this filter on the engine when you had problems each time? Or is it a new addition since the rebuild? I have always been a believer in the more gimmicks, the more things can go wrong. Less is better for me. Good luck and I can't wait for you to get it going again. I really enjoyed the U tube races you posted.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Throw some salt over your right shoulder and find a few four leaf clovers. Did you use the same engine builder
1970 Duster
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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Whats up with that oil filter??? Its a K&P Engineering re-usable filter. I have a couple of them I bought from Ray Bartons shop. I like these a lot better than others I have used. And sanwhiched between the Milidon pump & cover and the oil filter is an adapter to go to my Accumulator Just curious, was this filter on the engine when you had problems each time? Or is it a new addition since the rebuild? I have always been a believer in the more gimmicks, the more things can go wrong. Less is better for me. Good luck and I can't wait for you to get it going again. I really enjoyed the U tube races you posted. We like these, they catch any and all the debris....Its why the crank is still usable after the last go around, everything was in the filter. And we have gone back and forth, and I really like these. Otherwise I would have used half a dozen filters on this engine this year... I run the same one on my race car for years now. If you have to pull it to inspect somthing, clean it and put it back on.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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I am optimistic, but just in case, I have a set of the new G3 Eddy heads ported by Ray, and currently at Titek for seats, valves, springs, and any finishing required...
As much as I really love our latest low deck wedge engine combo and scored another 400 block, this car requires a Hemi in it....
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Good luck Randy
Hope it runs a long time for you  
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Good luck, Dragula. I hope all your Hemi troubles are behind you. It certainly has been a struggle, but you have hung in there. You deserve success now!
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Good luck, Dragula. I hope all your Hemi troubles are behind you. It certainly has been a struggle, but you have hung in there. You deserve success now! I am excited....Its all in and ready to fire, just not warm enough...Supposed to warm up tomorrow and Saturday. So will will light the candles once again.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Good luck. MY next build will be an upgrade from my 528" Hemi to a 605" also.
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Good luck. MY next build will be an upgrade from my 528" Hemi to a 605" also. The 4.75 crank is a lot tougher to get than the 4.5 cranks.....Next redo will be a 572+.030 if I ever have to rebuild again. Also, the clearancing for the stroke seemed too much because I don't run aluminum rods...So if I had it to do over, I would rather do the stroke clearancing myself. I don't think the notches in the bottom of the cylinders needed nearly that much....
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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When I bought my 572 rotating assembly there was the 605 listed, the 572 seemed more of a popular choice at that time. 33 more cubes should have been a no brainer. What the he11 was I thinking?
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Well, after a long delay, many discussions, lots of disappointments, I have found some hope in plan C.....
I am going to pick up a brand new block hopefully this Saturday.....Got the cash in hand, and the guy still has it. So a road trip it is.
So with that said, I pulled the running engine out this weekend to start the tear down and see what we can learn from it. Probably not much unless we go all out to pressure test every passage.
I went thru many different ideas and options this year in looking at my problem, and realized that the lack of parts for the old G2's is really not fun anymore unless its a show poodle.
I was willing to spend some money to end this issue once and for all. But in my searching, I realized it might be time to switch to somthing else. The lack of blocks and standardizing is killing the after market right now. At least in my eyes.
For those that didn't notice my add in the race section, I fired up the fresh 605 just after the new year, and again, oil pressure was an issue. After about 20min of idling, it was down to 10lbs...Same issue as before. I was really looking forward to enjoying this car a little this year, and time after time, its just a money pit...But I see some hope in the near future...
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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What kind of block are you going to get? Hope you get it fixed soon, you've sure had it rough w/ this one.
A good block is really the only hard part to get right now...hopefully you'll get a good one then you can enjoy the dern thing.
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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Well, first I was willing to buy a complete running engine, and KB and Indy stuff does not interchange well if not at all. In fact, even some of the KB stuff doesn't interchange with KB stuff depending...This makes things very difficult for people like me...
Then I looked at maybe a billet water block...Same issue, long lead, custom built to order....Still looking at G3 options. I really like the Hellcat crate. And that is kinda my plan at the end of this season is to buy one of those if I can swing it after this mess...
Here is current plan C...
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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What are you going to do with the Indy block? Sell it? No idea yet....but probably. The rebuild will probably be for sale too....I think its time for me to move on after this....Unless for some reason I have way too much fun with it this year. Been wanting a Hellcat crate and see how fast it can go in a 3200lb pro-street car....
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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I hope you figure things out with the hemi, but the Hellcrate motor is awesome too...
I just bought a low mile 6.1 motor for my 2800lb Duster and I can't wait to get it working. I'm thinking of using the Holley Dominator EFI system too...
A Hellcrate motor on E85 and decent boost would be awesome!
Anyway, just curious, I'm sure you looked at everything with the big hemi, but...
Does the Indy block have bushed lifter bores? Maybe leaking around the lifters?
Have you spun the oil pump with 1/2 inch drill or similar, with the intake off and peaked at the lifters from the top and bottom to look for massive oil escaping?
The same for each of the cam journals/bearings?
Somehow figure out how to get oil to the pump without the oil pan being on the motor and observe things from the bottom of the block while pressurizing the oil system.
I can't afford a real hemi, but admire and appreciate those who run them. I really hope you get it figured out and keep that motor in the car for years to come.
Last edited by moparmitch; 03/20/18 11:47 PM.
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