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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2478212
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Looks good. Good luck!


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2478381
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Originally Posted By Dragula
Originally Posted By Superfreak
Steve Morris makes one, Nelson racing also made one, and I think the other company was FXR or something like that.


And yes, they made one...They were experiments, they do not sell them. I have called around, most places tell me to run a Chevy Hemi...And actually the Sonny's stuff is really awesome and expensive. The Goodwin is really awesome as well, and even more $$$. Who knows what the future holds, but its probably 6.1 based. I know this is probably my last G2...


If your going to G3 stay away from the 6.1 blocks.
IMO there are better alternatives.
Good luck with this one I hope it works out for you.
Matt

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2478443
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Originally Posted By Dragula
Well, its done, and its going back in...



I hope your bad luck and issues are behind you guys now so you can finally enjoy that beast.......... luck beer


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: moparmitch] #2539294
08/20/18 10:25 PM
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Well, I have not updated this thread in a very long while, but we did fix the issue....It was not easy or fun, and we didn't want to believe it.

So this winter after many trials and tribulations and head scratching, we solved it like men....We gave up and bought a new block and swapped out the Indy block.

We had done everything else. There was nothing left to try, and we could not locate any issues in the block.

But with a new block under us, and I now have probably 300 street miles on it, and no issues at all, except extreme tire wear.

When we got the new block in the car, mind you, this was after we had the other one in and out more times than I can count, then we had another freaky issue that took me a while to find.

The car would run great for 10 min and then start dropping plugs till they all quit....Long story short, the newish coil died. I couldn't believe it. And it would always fire up and run for a bit and then get worse till it quit. The darnedest thing I ever saw.

Since then, we have been just driving the car to run some fuel threw it, and log some time on the carb....And man, I got to give Thumper a shout out, I think we got this thing dialing in now...We have been back and forth probably 1/wk all summer as I try different things, and went to cruise night tonight with all the latest changes, and man, its track ready and pretty close now. I am fussy, and when I am happy with a carb, its pretty damn good...AFR is reading awesome at almost all positions now.

So I am not racing it this year. I would cry if it let go again...maybe next year as my Duster is also running really well too. We already know the car has run 9.90 in street trim, so I will just make a few cruise nights and call it a season in a few weeks.

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Last edited by Dragula; 08/20/18 10:34 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2539337
08/20/18 11:35 PM
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Congrats, glad to hear some good is coming your way! up

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2539364
08/21/18 12:19 AM
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Is the new block Indy? Are you going to send the old block back to them?

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: gsmopar] #2539445
08/21/18 07:48 AM
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New block is not an Indy...And no, we are not sending it back.

I can tell you, the cylinder bores are a lot rounder on this block, and oil pressure is dead repeatable. I will not be buying another one of their blocks.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2539457
08/21/18 09:01 AM
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Too bad you never found the problem with the old block, but glad the new one is working for you.


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2539469
08/21/18 10:36 AM
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Glad it's finally running good for you! You sure have had one hell of a time w/ that engine. I sure would like to know what the deal was w/ that Indy block...no plans to check it out any further?


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2539506
08/21/18 11:45 AM
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Good luck with this build I was thinking about a Indy block but after reading this I'll pass


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2539551
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Originally Posted By Dragula
Well, I have not updated this thread in a very long while, but we did fix the issue....It was not easy or fun, and we didn't want to believe it.

So this winter after many trials and tribulations and head scratching, we solved it like men....We gave up and bought a new block and swapped out the Indy block.

We had done everything else. There was nothing left to try, and we could not locate any issues in the block.

But with a new block under us, and I now have probably 300 street miles on it, and no issues at all, except extreme tire wear.

When we got the new block in the car, mind you, this was after we had the other one in and out more times than I can count, then we had another freaky issue that took me a while to find.

The car would run great for 10 min and then start dropping plugs till they all quit....Long story short, the newish coil died. I couldn't believe it. And it would always fire up and run for a bit and then get worse till it quit. The darnedest thing I ever saw.

Since then, we have been just driving the car to run some fuel threw it, and log some time on the carb....And man, I got to give Thumper a shout out, I think we got this thing dialing in now...We have been back and forth probably 1/wk all summer as I try different things, and went to cruise night tonight with all the latest changes, and man, its track ready and pretty close now. I am fussy, and when I am happy with a carb, its pretty damn good...AFR is reading awesome at almost all positions now.

So I am not racing it this year. I would cry if it let go again...maybe next year as my Duster is also running really well too. We already know the car has run 9.90 in street trim, so I will just make a few cruise nights and call it a season in a few weeks.


Glad you guys finally get to enjoy your bad ass ride to it's fullest potential and glad the carbs giving you EFI accuracy with endless tuning capabilities............Now give em hell......... drive penguin apimp


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2539580
08/21/18 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Glad it's finally running good for you! You sure have had one hell of a time w/ that engine. I sure would like to know what the deal was w/ that Indy block...no plans to check it out any further?

He sold the block to someone else.

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2563302
10/13/18 11:13 AM
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Any updates from the OP?

My block from Jegs is supposed to ship in a few weeks and I really want to hear some good feedback on the final engine. Reading this thread has me a bit concerned about my grand hemi plans....

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Craig J] #2563316
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Its running great. With the help from Thumper on carb tuning the 1250, its really been great here at the end of summer. Went to a number of cruise nights and a big car show.

It was all loaded in the trailer to race at the Empire Frigid Nationals last week, and the weather really set in. So it does not look like I will get any passes on it this year. I did put about 600-700 miles on it though at the end of summer.

Only issues I have is the carb is very close to the scoop, and I can't fit an air cleaner or phenolic spacer, and on hot days, I do not like where the temp gauge climbs to. I called Meizeire and they said its time to move up to the 55gph pump. My cooling system is pretty decent, and it seems the cast iron block traps a lot more heat than my aluminum one did...My timing at idle and such is 22*, and 33-34 total and engine temp became an issue on 90* days with 4.10 gears going down the road.

I did get a bigger oil pan from Billet fabrication this year and replaced the 9 quart Milodon pan with a 12 quart Billet Fab pan. And I fixed a vibration I have had in the car since last year. Runs really nice down the road now....Scary fast!


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Last edited by Dragula; 10/13/18 12:00 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2563325
10/13/18 11:56 AM
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What iron block did you end up with?

Which K frame are you using that clears that pan?


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: fast68plymouth] #2563328
10/13/18 12:06 PM
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Its a World Iron block, found one brand new in the box over x-mass last winter. And the k-frame is a Magnum Force, you just need a notch in the front of the oil pan to clear it. Milidon makes a pan that clears it, and I have 2 of those, but I wanted more oil, so I went this route....the huge headers just go on and come super easy...

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2563338
10/13/18 12:29 PM
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Roller cam?

Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Craig J] #2563346
10/13/18 12:41 PM
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Yes...Here are the specs if you can read them...Just remember, I run Indy rockers, and the ratios are a tad higher...

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2563411
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Originally Posted By Dragula
Its running great. With the help from Thumper on carb tuning the 1250, its really been great here at the end of summer. Went to a number of cruise nights and a big car show.

Runs really nice down the road now....Scary fast!


Don't we love scary fast devil boogie haha
AKA, be safe up


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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated! [Re: Dragula] #2563417
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What are the specs on the headers?

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