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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751406
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I've never noticed an original used block with no paint in the nooks & crannies, but it does appear to have yellow highlight paint over the date & casting number on the passenger side.

I see the orange paint in the top pad pic, but is it anywhere else?

No warranty tag rivet/hole/other evident.

Six pack pistons had valve reliefs - what's the cast number on those, maybe someone can ID them as high or low compression.

Re: 440 hp [Re: 6bblgt] #1751407
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The 908 is a forging number.

Trucks had the same stamping on the engine ID pad as passenger cars, except that there was also a "T" after the "G440" Later blocks used the year's last digit, those had a "T" in front of the "440", like "6T440". If they were truck blocks they will have another "T" behind the "440" somewhere, like "6T440T".

As this shortblock was put together in 1971, when the 908 rods were plentiful, it could have been just another Mopar mistake, but at least they got the right balancer for it.

If it has not been taken apart, wouldn't an HP engine have a higher lift camshaft?

My money is on it not being an HP engine.
But, as it is not the original block for the car, that has much less meaning to me.

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Re: 440 hp [Re: dogdays] #1751408
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Checking the damper may shed more light than the rods because the '908 rods were used on HP and truck from '70 - '75 but the damper changed;

http://www.440source.com/dampers.htm

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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751409
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Blank vin pad




That may not be a warranty block as the VIN pad looks like someone took a grinder to it, this is what a factory Service/Warranty block pad should look like.........

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Re: 440 hp [Re: Stewpar] #1751410
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My 383 warranty block looked like that too.

His pad has the machining marks but they don't appear to be as deep. Any letters stamped on it would be as deep as the machining marks so it might be legit.


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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751411
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Balancer piston rod




Looks like no valve reliefs in that piston so its not a 6pk piston, 440-4 bbl, both HP and non HP, piston.

Re: 440 hp [Re: feets] #1751412
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Quote:

My 383 warranty block looked like that too.

His pad has the machining marks but they don't appear to be as deep. Any letters stamped on it would be as deep as the machining marks so it might be legit.




I was thinking the same thing as John at first, but I can see the machine marks....looks like someone spent some time with a wire wheel but they appear to still be there.


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Re: 440 hp [Re: DPelletier] #1751413
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Here's pictures of pistons and rods. Rods are part number 295108. On opposite sides of the rods MS3049


Pistons are part number 3418231. Also have "F"'s on the sides of the pistons.
What I am looking for is an answer to the question what can I call this motor. Can I consider this an over the counter motor factor motor to be correct in a 1970 car. I have a picture of the balencer coming soon.

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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751414
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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751415
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Here is the balancer. Where do you find the part number?


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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751416
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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751417
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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751418
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Quote:

Here's pictures of pistons and rods. Rods are part number 295108. On opposite sides of the rods MS3049


Pistons are part number 3418231. Also have "F"'s on the sides of the pistons.
What I am looking for is an answer to the question what can I call this motor. Can I consider this an over the counter motor factor motor to be correct in a 1970 car. I have a picture of the balencer coming soon.




No, the rods are casting # 2951908 which corresponds to part number 2951906. As I said earlier these rods were used on 1970 - 1975 HP and Truck motors.

The balancer should give you more clues...if you can't find the number, check to see if the bolt holes are symetrical or not.

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Re: 440 hp [Re: DPelletier] #1751419
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Here is the blasted balacer. Holes are not symmetrical and I can't find a part number.

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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751420
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What does this number mean? 1917-2 on the back side.


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Re: 440 hp [Re: 71duster414] #1751421
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The balancer appears to be a 3512017 which was used on HP and truck motors in '70 & '71. This combined with the rods point to a '70 - '71 HP or truck shortblock but with no VIN stamping, and based on the casting date(and the lack of a warranty tag/pin), it would appear to be an over-the-counter 440 in 1971. I'm not sure if such over the counter engines were stamped HP or not. The pistons say it wasn't a six pack engine when put together originally.


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