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I just spoke to Beaver Bob a bit ago, and he is very, very, interested in promoting/hosting another major Nostalgia event. I informed him of the conversations going on here, and our willingness to get things going. He appears to be real excited, and it could wind up being a three day event, perhaps piggybacking off of his Friday Flashback program. It is time the 422 Motorsports (Ford) guys got their come-uppins, anyway. I informed him that some midwestern guys are interested in making the trip.
Beaver Springs is like a time warp. It is a beautiful, well maintained facility, but is still set up and with the same out buildings it had in the sixties. It is out in the middle of central Pa. farmlands, and is a great place to race.
Nostalgia Pro Stock would be welcome, if we can get enough cars. Otherwise, I am sure the Missile and Fred could pack the house. Plus, whatever other Nostalgia Classes we come up. If we could get one that can also include some of the local racers up there, that could be good, too. I like the idea of a regular NSS, as well as a modified nostalgia for cars that look the part but with a single Dominator, etc. We can work out all the details.
He is willing to drive to meet us somewhere, Bob G is willing to host the meeting, set it up, or even set up a conference call.
Sounds great, guys. Let's get it going. Let's make it happen.
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 Sounds great Steve. I am not 100% sure but I think I understood when I talked to BG this morning that this may even happen TWICE.  Once at Beaver Springs, and once at Pittsbugh. BG.??? 
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It very well could. I think Bob is going to talk to Frank about it.
Anyway, we need to get a meeting of the minds and sort of figure out the structure, rules, etc. Those 422 Motorsports boys have been the big gorilla in eastern NSS racing for a while now. It's time to square things up, and for all of us to do some Ford huntin'.
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This sounds like a good time, hope it works out for all involved. That being said, how is this going to bring "midwest" racers in ? You guys moved all the way out to Beaver Springs to draw us in? LOL !! Isn't Beaver Springs like 150 miles from the ocean ?  This will be a tough tow for you east coasters at what 70 miles ?   All kidding aside, it's like 550 miles from me here in Michigan. Not really sure what "midwest" you're referring to but I don't see it bringing many of us out because it's so much closer. My car probably won't be done for this anyway, so if you tell me to STFU I'll understand  Anyway, best of luck and take lots of pictures !! Merry Christmas  Marc
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"midwest" is a state of mind.  Seriously, there are some guys on this board who have been sort of clamoring for an event that will also feature some "looser rules" NSS cars in addition to the more traditional ones. This is a chance to possibly do that, and give them equal billing. If they are really serious then this may be their chance. That, plus Nostalgia Pro Stocks are a real possibility. It will be a three day shindig....so it could be a lot of racing in a single trip. We have a promotor interested, one who knows what he is doing. Now, the ball is really in our court.
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It very well could. I think Bob is going to talk to Frank about it.
Anyway, we need to get a meeting of the minds and sort of figure out the structure, rules, etc. Those 422 Motorsports boys have been the big gorilla in eastern NSS racing for a while now. It's time to square things up, and for all of us to do some Ford huntin'.
steve, 422 motorsports is the smallest of all the nostalgia super stockers on the east coast. nobody really wants to race with them with there nasty nose up in the air attitude and there steep admission fee, i always pass when they send me there flyer.
as far as racing at beaver springs, id really like a all mopar race there and a race at pittsburgh.
2 classes,one true nss class and a modified class,
all mopars then will be happy and have a king of the hill runoff.
thats what i think would work.
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Chris....we need to meet with Beaver Bob and discuss it. Everything is up in the air right now....we know we have a promotor interested....I told him you could bring a ton of cars, we could, too, the S&M - Missile race.....let the 422 guys take on the winner.  A MoPar only deal is a possibility, too, but I know there is concern about the number of cars it would draw. Bob is real, real, keen on a large Nostalgia deal, and very open for a MoPar deal, as well. I informed him of your organization....we need to discuss your rule setup. After the holidays, BG will set up a time/place; and we can all get together, draft some rules, come to a meeting of the minds. We can do this.
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Chris....we need to meet with Beaver Bob and discuss it. Everything is up in the air right now....we know we have a promotor interested....I told him you could bring a ton of cars, we could, too, the S&M - Missile race.....let the 422 guys take on the winner.
A MoPar only deal is a possibility, too, but I know there is concern about the number of cars it would draw. Bob is real, real, keen on a large Nostalgia deal, and very open for a MoPar deal, as well. I informed him of your organization....we need to discuss your rule setup.
After the holidays, BG will set up a time/place; and we can all get together, draft some rules, come to a meeting of the minds.
We can do this.
Steve,you need to keep a close eye on the "Yankee Fish Peddler" something about this deal "smells fishy"
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Chris....we need to meet with Beaver Bob and discuss it. Everything is up in the air right now....we know we have a promotor interested....I told him you could bring a ton of cars, we could, too, the S&M - Missile race.....let the 422 guys take on the winner.
A MoPar only deal is a possibility, too, but I know there is concern about the number of cars it would draw. Bob is real, real, keen on a large Nostalgia deal, and very open for a MoPar deal, as well. I informed him of your organization....we need to discuss your rule setup.
After the holidays, BG will set up a time/place; and we can all get together, draft some rules, come to a meeting of the minds.
We can do this.
Steve,you need to keep a close eye on the "Yankee Fish Peddler" something about this deal "smells fishy"
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This is sounding like a real good time at Beaver Springs....Chris, I thought you are a Aquatic Engineer.. "Fish Peddler" That's Brutal...  poppaj
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This is sounding like a real good time at Beaver Springs....Chris, I thought you are a Aquatic Engineer.. "Fish Peddler" That's Brutal... poppaj
JIM, the politically correct term would be aquarium management consultant!
BG is making me out to be a 2nd class citizen, if BG makes me up a set of stickers Yankee Fish Peddler, ill put them on my fenders and leave them on.
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the politically correct term would be aquarium management consultant!
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This is sounding like a real good time at Beaver Springs....Chris, I thought you are a Aquatic Engineer.. "Fish Peddler" That's Brutal... poppaj
JIM, the politically correct term would be aquarium management consultant!
BG is making me out to be a 2nd class citizen, if BG makes me up a set of stickers Yankee Fish Peddler, ill put them on my fenders and leave them on.
That's funny stuff, Chris...But we all know BG is a big kid at heart, he still plays in the dirt...
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Those 422 Motorsports boys have been the big gorilla in eastern NSS racing for a while now. It's time to square things up, and for all of us to do some Ford huntin'
I had a tenth on their big gun a blue A/FX Falcon last year at Beaver for a macth race but they got saved by the rain. This year I will have even more for them to deal with and knock them off their tower
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steve, 422 motorsports is the smallest of all the nostalgia super stockers on the east coast. nobody really wants to race with them with there nasty nose up in the air attitude and there steep admission fee, i always pass when they send me there flyer.
as far as racing at beaver springs, id really like a all mopar race there and a race at pittsburgh.
2 classes,one true nss class and a modified class,
all mopars then will be happy and have a king of the hill runoff.
thats what i think would work.
I spoke with two 422 team members, the white haired guy below who did our pairings and another member who was "recruiting" members to join their organization. From my 2 encouters, both seemed very nice. Im going to go out on a limb here and say...these guys (422) do play a part in Beaver Bobs event and are Ford guys, they're probably pretty tight.
Out of mere curiousity I had to go over and look at their team cars. Maybe a little green eyed in myself who knows, it does appear to be a high dollar operation. One things for sure at the starting line that day when they were dropping like flies, I was one of the ones smiling.
SSHHHH....dont tell Beaver Bob!!
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Ron, Im familiar with the car your brother pilots. Very nice Stock Eliminator car if Im not mistaken? One of the rules 422 has and this can be an advantage one day and hurt you the next is: At least at BSD they do a zero ending dial. Meaning your dial has to end in 0 regardless of your cars performance during time shots. During the York 30 Nationals we were running 9.71 & 72s all day. This was a no brainer according to their rules. We did our dial at 9.70 We never got to run first round of eliminations because of the rain. During Flash Back Friday..same rules applied. However this time we were running 9.54, 9.55 during time shots. We decided to go with a 9.50 As luck would have it we got matched up with a faster car and was a former National Champ. The only way we were going to win was to beat her at the light and that didnt happen. She ran a near perfect run RT & dial. She earned it, we did not. Yes giving away 1/2 tenth hurt us before the lights even dropped but doing the math we would have lost anyway. Doug
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the rules are always setup in favor of 422 motorsports,its there rules either play by them or dont race with them.its like gambling in a casino, house usually wins.there cars are setup to dial in with the 0.they practice all year to make them run their number. i dont race to dial a 0 in,so its a crap shoot.
i have however numerous times put many of 422 motorsports on the trailer.they are sore losers,they whine like little pussies.
either way i dont like there attitudes or style so i pass when i hear they are promoting a race. i want to have fun not fight.
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Initially they do seem to be a bit arrogant, but once you get to know them they are good guys. Dink Bishop, the big white haired guy is a goodie, this inspite of the fact that they are from that Philly, Sewell NJ ( )area. Seriously, they are good guys. They are very touchy, though, in not compromising the past in any way they don't have too. In the old days, you had a tenth cushion where you could run under your index (dial) and it took an act of congress and some controversy to change it. Ditto the 0 on the end of your dial. They are good, and they know it. They have deep pockets, and they know that, too. One of those cars actually has a Cammer in it, which has got to be one of the most expensive motors around to run. I don't even know anyone who makes parts for one. I am truly sorry that Fred didn't get a chance to take out that Falcon last year. It would have been cool.
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The CARLAN-SORGE POLL has finally got posted. PLEASE vote so we can get the ball rolling on this GREAT PLAN. Thanks to everyone in advance.  
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422 Motorsports rules are directly from the NMCA. For those not familiar the NMCA is the sanctioning body that basically started Nostalgia Super Stock racing in the late '80s. As far as the dial ending in 0, NSS is index racing not bracket racing. Just the same as NHRA super gas and super comp in some ways. NHRA doesn't allow a SG racer to change their index from 9:90 to 9:92 or 9:89 to suit their car. They run on a 9:90 index. Once you qualify at a NSS race and post your index that is what you are locked into. It is and added challenge to this type of racing. As far as some people on here bashing the 422 Motorsports group, thats fine just don't race with them. At Maple Grove in October we had over 30 cars and it was a blast. If you win the first round you are in the money. They also have a great all you can eat feed for the racers and crews. They all have a touch of the Philli/south Jersey attitude but thats where they are from. Rich LaMount, Dink Bishop and Fred Henderson are all good guys. They will help you with anything they can at the track. I enjoy beating their cars at the track too but I also like beating everyone else!!! And by the way, they no longer run a cammer. All of their cars including the Falcon run wedges.
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I stand corrected, Jody. I was not aware that the Cammer had been replaced. They are good guys!!! Absolutely, and they work hard at keeping the rules so that it doesn't come across as just another bracket race. I enjoy meeting them and hanging at the BSD events.....but we may have a Throwdown coming (in the words of Bobby Flay). I hope we can work it out!! As far as the Philly/Jersey area goes....just a reminder that our good pal Hemi Fred is from down there and  we don't know if he is indicative of the natives down there. Seriously.....I really hope we can work this out.
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I stand corrected, Jody. I was not aware that the Cammer had been replaced.
They are good guys!!! Absolutely, and they work hard at keeping the rules so that it doesn't come across as just another bracket race. I enjoy meeting them and hanging at the BSD events.....but we may have a Throwdown coming (in the words of Bobby Flay). I hope we can work it out!!
As far as the Philly/Jersey area goes....just a reminder that our good pal Hemi Fred is from down there and we don't know if he is indicative of the natives down there.
Seriously.....I really hope we can work this out.
That I was with HemiFred might explain my reaction to them.I trust Steve's opinion .If Steve says they are good guys,thats's good enough for me.
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That is an idea, as well. So are flag starts?
Keep those suggestions coming. The "committees" will meet, and sort of work out an agreement.
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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That is an idea, as well. So are flag starts?
Keep those suggestions coming. The "committees" will meet, and sort of work out an agreement.
Flag starts is an option on the "POLL thread"
But I guess only the matchraces should be "flag" starts.
Getting LOTS of votes though
Just make sure everyone votes.PLZ.
Link to vote is listed below.
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422 Motorsports rules are directly from the NMCA. For those not familiar the NMCA is the sanctioning body that basically started Nostalgia Super Stock racing in the late '80s.
There currently are several organizations which write and endorse rules for the class of cars generally known as Nostalgia Super Stock.
Some of them are The Nostalgia Super Stock National Association, National Muscle Car Association, Nostalgia Super Stocks Inc, Texas Outsiders, the East Coast Nostalgia Super Stock Association, 422 Motorsports and so forth.
These groups have a variety of perspectives and purposes and therefore have differences among them.
As best we can research, the oldest of these is a private club named Nostalgia Super Stocks Inc., which can document its official origin to 1989 when it was then named the Midwest Nostalgia Super Stock Association.
Prior to that, there were several individuals in Missouri running NSS-style cars informally, as early as 1985. These racers are the ones who organized the Midwest Nostalgia Super Stock Association.
In the mid 1990’s, several internal disagreements led to a split of the club with one group using the original Midwest Nostalgia Super Stock Association name and the other changing to Nostalgia Super Stocks Inc.
The Midwest group has disbanded, leaving NSS Inc. the survivor.
NSS Inc. is still a private club which primarily does CLOSED events in the Midwest, mostly match-racing and exhibition programs. It also has jurisdiction in the Goodguys series. Accordingly, over the years it has evolved a set of subjective rules for its own purposes.
In contrast, NMCA created a season-long points series based on OPEN competition over a wide geographical area and accordingly has evolved a set of more objective rules for its purposes.
The Texas Outsiders is also a private club but has adopted NMCA rules for its events.
There might be some confusion from the history because from approximately 1989 to 1994, NSS Inc. (then Midwest) did exhibition programs at NMCA events.
Currently, some individual track owners and promoters also run NSS events based on their own subjective interpretations of what NSS racing is and should be.
Knowing the difference between closed exclusive and open inclusive formats is essential to understanding the current state of NSS racing and its rules.
Earlier this year, a committee of individual racers from NSS Inc., The Texas Outsiders and NMCA formed the Nostalgia Super Stock National Association in response to complaints about arbitrary rule-making and the need of the National Hot Rod Association for consistent management of NSS racing at its events.
Because of the nature of open competition at a national level, the NSSNA primarily adopted NMCA rules, with some revisions for clarification and for consistency with current practice in open events. These are the rules which are posted on the Evansville Chrysler and NSS-Monster websites.
As stated in the NSSNA charter, its rules are intended to be the standard for open competition, defined as an event at which anyone can pay an entry fee and become eligible for inspection. The NSSNA currently has jurisdiction at NHRA’s Hot Rod Reunion and the Dave Duell Classic NSS Nationals.
Individual racers and private clubs and others are free to make their own choices and that will always be a fundamental principle. However, the NSSNA believes that consistency in the rules is also a long-term benefit for the sport and encourages all participants to consider this aspect.
The traditional way to manage this difference in formats has been to change equipment and/or to have a vehicle for each format. While this solution requires additional financial and labor costs, perhaps that is still the best method in order to preserve both individual choice and integrity in the sport.
Rule-making is a difficult process that requires a balance between allowing for dynamic changes and also providing a stable format. Therefore, the NSSNA is constantly communicating with participants and reviewing the suitability of the rules consistent with actual and desired practice.
I hope this explanation helps clarify the current situation. We always welcome additional historical information.
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422 Motorsports rules are directly from the NMCA. For those not familiar the NMCA is the sanctioning body that basically started Nostalgia Super Stock racing in the late '80s.
There currently are several organizations which write and endorse rules for the class of cars generally known as Nostalgia Super Stock.
Some of them are The Nostalgia Super Stock National Association, National Muscle Car Association, Nostalgia Super Stocks Inc, Texas Outsiders, the East Coast Nostalgia Super Stock Association, 422 Motorsports and so forth.
These groups have a variety of perspectives and purposes and therefore have differences among them.
As best we can research, the oldest of these is a private club named Nostalgia Super Stocks Inc., which can document its official origin to 1989 when it was then named the Midwest Nostalgia Super Stock Association.
Prior to that, there were several individuals in Missouri running NSS-style cars informally, as early as 1985. These racers are the ones who organized the Midwest Nostalgia Super Stock Association.
In the mid 1990’s, several internal disagreements led to a split of the club with one group using the original Midwest Nostalgia Super Stock Association name and the other changing to Nostalgia Super Stocks Inc.
The Midwest group has disbanded, leaving NSS Inc. the survivor.
NSS Inc. is still a private club which primarily does CLOSED events in the Midwest, mostly match-racing and exhibition programs. It also has jurisdiction in the Goodguys series. Accordingly, over the years it has evolved a set of subjective rules for its own purposes.
In contrast, NMCA created a season-long points series based on OPEN competition over a wide geographical area and accordingly has evolved a set of more objective rules for its purposes.
The Texas Outsiders is also a private club but has adopted NMCA rules for its events.
There might be some confusion from the history because from approximately 1989 to 1994, NSS Inc. (then Midwest) did exhibition programs at NMCA events.
Currently, some individual track owners and promoters also run NSS events based on their own subjective interpretations of what NSS racing is and should be.
Knowing the difference between closed exclusive and open inclusive formats is essential to understanding the current state of NSS racing and its rules.
Earlier this year, a committee of individual racers from NSS Inc., The Texas Outsiders and NMCA formed the Nostalgia Super Stock National Association in response to complaints about arbitrary rule-making and the need of the National Hot Rod Association for consistent management of NSS racing at its events.
Because of the nature of open competition at a national level, the NSSNA primarily adopted NMCA rules, with some revisions for clarification and for consistency with current practice in open events. These are the rules which are posted on the Evansville Chrysler and NSS-Monster websites.
As stated in the NSSNA charter, its rules are intended to be the standard for open competition, defined as an event at which anyone can pay an entry fee and become eligible for inspection. The NSSNA currently has jurisdiction at NHRA’s Hot Rod Reunion and the Dave Duell Classic NSS Nationals.
Individual racers and private clubs and others are free to make their own choices and that will always be a fundamental principle. However, the NSSNA believes that consistency in the rules is also a long-term benefit for the sport and encourages all participants to consider this aspect.
The traditional way to manage this difference in formats has been to change equipment and/or to have a vehicle for each format. While this solution requires additional financial and labor costs, perhaps that is still the best method in order to preserve both individual choice and integrity in the sport.
Rule-making is a difficult process that requires a balance between allowing for dynamic changes and also providing a stable format. Therefore, the NSSNA is constantly communicating with participants and reviewing the suitability of the rules consistent with actual and desired practice.
I hope this explanation helps clarify the current situation. We always welcome additional historical information.
Bob Wilkiewicz
Nostalgia Super Stocks Inc.
Nostalgia Super Stock National Association
Sounds like another governmental agency in the making.Ruled and regulated to death by DEP,EPA.OSHA,IMSHAW,NTB,PUC,NTC and IRS.and on and on.Let's just get a group together set some grund rules,see if we can get this thing started nand if it's successful build on it.Why try and pattern it after other closed organizations that may or may not be successful?
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if 422 motorsports runs with us, im out. period
i raced once with them and we made our 1st time trial pass and told us whatever you ran on that run was your dialin.that pass was around 10:30am when it was 65 degress.
they told that after we made our pass not before, so what happened= 1st elimation round starts at around 1:00pm and its 95 degrees and all of our cars are off a .1 or better.
well 422 motorsports puts 100+ weight in their trunks and do there 1st time trial with the weight and at eliminations they pull out the weight and run there number.
the ECNSSA guys went berserk. i thought there was going to be fisticuffs.
like i said before they set there own ground rules to there advantage.
i want to have fun and not have to keep looking over my back sorry.
too many bad experiences with them.
they are not nice guys.
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if 422 motorsports runs with us, im out. period
i raced once with them and we made our 1st time trial pass and told us whatever you ran on that run was your dialin.that pass was around 10:30am when it was 65 degress.
they told that after we made our pass not before, so what happened= 1st elimation round starts at around 1:00pm and its 95 degrees and all of our cars are off a .1 or better.
well 422 motorsports puts 100+ weight in their trunks and do there 1st time trial with the weight and at eliminations they pull out the weight and run there number.
the ECNSSA guys went berserk. i thought there was going to be fisticuffs.
like i said before they set there own ground rules to there advantage.
i want to have fun and not have to keep looking over my back sorry.
too many bad experiences with them.
they are not nice guys.
Wow!!!Anyone else want to share their experience?I only had the one encounter with them at BSD with Fred,I known Steve Reasbeck for over 40 years.I think we need more info before getting chummy with those boys.Hemi Fred want to enlighten us?
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I know they have really screwed Chris... They wouldn't let him run another time because his car wasn't lettered after inviting him to their race. The only times we have ran against them were in NMCA and NSCA...They had no control on rules... I will take Chris's side, they sound like dicks...
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I know they have really screwed Chris... They wouldn't let him run another time because his car wasn't lettered after inviting him to their race.
The only times we have ran against them were in NMCA and NSCA...They had no control on rules...
I will take Chris's side, they sound like dicks...
it was a horrible feeling when we were all pitted together and they didnt even let me know i couldnt race till i was in the staging lanes. the guy DINK or DICK whatever says what are you doing up here. i said racing whatelse, he said not with us, your car isnt lettered. i said so big deal, my 63 plymouth max wedge completely original car unmolested done to the 9's doesnt look nostalic, are you kidding. this car has been run since 63 with no lettering and its staying this way. he said nope you cant run with us.
The proper thing to have done would have been run with us this time but in the future please put some lettering on the car.
the funny thing was they only had 8 cars show up, after me being banned, they were only left with 7.
if anyone has ever seen my 63 it still has the backseat in it, full 60/40 front benchseat still pushing trans buttons on the dash and running an original crossram intake with 3705 carter carbs.go figure.
obtw the car still doesnt have any lettering on it.
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With only eight cars, six were theirs right...
What a way to act...Normally they are first round casualties at any big event...Must have been terrified of you and your 63'....
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With only eight cars, six were theirs right...
What a way to act...Normally they are first round casualties at any big event...Must have been terrified of you and your 63'....
that year that 63 was deadly consistent, i never thought of it that way, but after time trial 2 of their cars grenaded. that left 4 of their cars.they werent too happy, i was laughing as one threw a rod and was hanging out the block. he was pitted right next to me,he had the stones to ask to borrow some tools from me.
i told him, i think a little jb weld might work and you might make next round!!!!
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With only eight cars, six were theirs right...
What a way to act...Normally they are first round casualties at any big event...Must have been terrified of you and your 63'....
that year that 63 was deadly consistent, i never thought of it that way, but after time trial 2 of their cars grenaded. that left 4 of their cars.they werent too happy, i was laughing as one threw a rod and was hanging out the block. he was pitted right next to me,he had the stones to ask to borrow some tools from me.
i told him, i think a little jb weld might work and you might make next round!!!!
That's funny!!!! They must have shifted them way to high, maybe 6200...
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I've had good experiences with them, but they do try to maintain a link with the past. They do keep track of time trials, and your quickest is your dial, period. They feel it is the closest thing to the old "class index" style....and once you understand it it's OK. We had a little tiff with them the first year we ran with them, but once that was straightened out we found them to be good guys. Basically, what happened, is that Kyle took out a couple of them while he was driving my car, and all was right after that.
I am sorry you feel that way Chris, but if everyone decides it is a multi make race, and Beaver Bob wants to open it to anyone who meets the agreed upon rules, we really can't keep them out. I mean, we can't say "everyone is welcome but you guys". They support a lot of Beaver's Nostalgia events, and if there is any scores to settle it seems to me the only way to do it is out there on the track. A little bad blood may make it even more interesting.
Maybe we can get Goldberg involved and have a folding chair fight on the starting line prior to eliminations?
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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Steve,I'm with you. 422 Motorsports is a good group. Sounds like somebody has an agenda on here against them??? If you don't like them, stay home but this name calling is a bit much?? I can tell you Beaver Bob ain't getting rid of them. I'm very good friends with Bob and talked to him quite a bit at PRI. He is very excited about this up coming season. Have you heard about his new Mercury ebay buys?? Everytime I ran with 422 this season I picked my index, not what I ran in qualifying. The ladder was set off of reaction times in qualifying. Over 40 cars were at the US 30 reunion race and over 30 at the final 422 Allstar race at MG. Somebody must like them??? Like I said before 422 Motorsports use NMCA rules which were basically NSCA rules too. Both were based on the Mid-West Nostalgia SS Assoc. rules that were set along time ago. They keep the class from being overrun with bracket specific cars. If you have a bracket car, bracket race. I've chosen to race NSS and my car was built to these rules. If you want to race NSS make your car fit the rules. Its not that hard....
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I am sorry you feel that way Chris, but if everyone decides it is a multi make race, and Beaver Bob wants to open it to anyone who meets the agreed upon rules, we really can't keep them out. I mean, we can't say "everyone is welcome but you guys". They support a lot of Beaver's Nostalgia events, and if there is any scores to settle it seems to me the only way to do it is out there on the track. A little bad blood may make it even more interesting.
 If it goes down that way.I hope y'all can come to terms 
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Well, BG and I will set up a time and a place where everyone, Beaver Bob and all interested parties can meet and hash thing out. If it works, fine. if it doesn't, well, I'll still support the Nostalgia races at Beaver because they are the best. I don't wish anyone ill will.....I just want to race. It has to be an event that the Beaver can see some positive in for his facility, and is a positive for all of the racers. Let's just see what happens. It's still awful early to get ahead of ourselves.
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I also like the 422 guys, The have some really trick cars and are there to race. period. Its not like they will be making the rules... so whats the big deal, the more cars the better right?  Casey
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I also like the 422 guys, The have some really trick cars and are there to race. period. Its not like they will be making the rules... so whats the big deal, the more cars the better right?
Casey
I am with my son..If they want to race, the more the merrier I just don't understand why they treated my good pal Chris so badly...He has some of the nicest and fastest NSS cars around..
They have some beautiful cars as well..
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I also like the 422 guys, The have some really trick cars and are there to race. period. Its not like they will be making the rules... so whats the big deal, the more cars the better right?
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I am with my son..If they want to race, the more the merrier I just don't understand why they treated my good pal Chris so badly...He has some of the nicest and fastest NSS cars around..
They have some beautiful cars as well..
once bitten twice shy, but this time i was bitten twice.
ill race with them if they dont control any of the event. they will hve to conform to the rules that are mandated from the Beaver Springs or our guys.
either way ill put 422 on their trailer early and make sure im on my game.
then it'll be my turn to have the last laugh against 422 motorsports.
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Wow Chris, That 63' should flat fly with your 588
in it...Indy 440-25 right?
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I was trying to get on the 422 motorsports web site but it keeps coming up Godaddy.com, it must be down. Are they running .010 index'es?
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http://www.422motorsports.com/?b1b7cb08
I tried it and it still comes up Go Daddy. No big deal, I just wanted to look at there rules to see how there classes are set up.
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Why don't you guys PM me, and we'll set up a date to meet with Beaver this month. He will be away the last week of January. Beaver had a little blurb on his website of the possibility of this happening...he is pumped!!
The Pittsburgh area would be good, even down at Brother Bob's place. He'll set it up.
Let me know, we'll get the ball rolling.
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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Beaver had a little blurb on his website of the possibility of this happening...he is pumped!!
The Pittsburgh area would be good, even down at Brother Bob's place. He'll set it up.
Let me know, we'll get the ball rolling.
I am finally back in the freezing cold of Ohio, after my 4 day run to visit family in NC.
Mtg at BG place makes sense to me, but not sure if it "in the middle" .
I am pretty flex, but will be out of town on the 23-24-25th for the Brevard Fla. show,
29-30-31 . Greensboro NC Show..
Other than that I am wide open.
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WOW! That 422 story got turned around pretty good! I was at the race that Chris was talking about. I was pitted right next to him. It was the first race the 422 group ran, and was at E-Town. Originally 422 had 16 cars "booked in". Alex Cortezzo Sr. was one of the cars. Alex could not make the race (with his lettered car)and Chris filled in for him. When Chris arived, 422 told him he could not run. I know Chris is still irked with me that I did not come to his defense. Truth be told, all 16 cars booked were chosen due to the fact that they were lettered. It was made blatantly clear when we were asked to come. I guess the communication got fuzzy between Chris and Alex on the lettering, but what happened was Chris could not run. I agree it was not the best way to handle it, but I didn't feel it was my obligation to be a go-between.
As far as the format for the 422 group...They do run a typical bracket race. The catch is they run a .400 full tree, and you have to dial on one tenth increments. You cannot change the dial for the duration of the race. The old NSCA and NMCA ran their races the same way. They used to have .25 second increments. This made you have to tune your car, add/lose weight, or figure out a driving technique to be competative. 422 simply made the dial in's on .10 second increments to allow cars to hit closer to their dial in's.
As far as the nose-in-the air attitudes...I take exception. I tow my 11.00 second '63 on a rusty, open trailer behind my dad's truck to attend their races. I am typically one of the slowest cars racing with them. They treat me fine. Their cars are always some of the fastest machines at the event. They bring a tractor trailer rig with as many as five killer N/SS cars inside. They set up a tent to advertise our race. They provide a pig roast/barbecue at every event. The food is for anyone associated with the race...including crew, friends...etc. They do off-season marketing and promotion so that the purses, and sometimes tow money, is in hand before the event. They host and run a website that is focussed on the entire series. They keep track of points, and award a champion with a jacket and check at the end of year banquet.
As for fixing the arangements to fit their cars...They did not win one race this year. Cliff Sebring won more than his share of races (which paid $1000 to win) this year. Yes, when viewed alone, the $75-100 entry seemed steep. If you go a round of two, you got your money back. Unfortunately I was a donor to the program this year and was not very successful.
To any members not sure which side of the fence your on...the group is having it's end of year banquet in February. I'm sure Dink would love to have you at the event as he is always looking for new members. The new schedule is out as we speak. Come join us.
PS. I posted a pic of my car so as not to hide behind an e-mail. I'm the tall bald guy that drives Frustration. Have a nice day.
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Tom, like you, we have had all positives when racing with them. Dink is a good guy, and I like all of them. Their stuff looks good, they are a classy bunch, and their group us an asset to any NSS event.
I think I speak for all of us when I say we just want to race....the more the merrier. Just think of the great event it would be at with guys who don't often have a chance to participate together all there in one mix. Pretty cool, in my opinion.
Chris is a good guy, too. If there is a percieved score to settle, here is the way to do it.
Fighting and arguing is no good....let's just get a race going, have a good time, put on a good show for the folks, and enjoy each other's company.
"Old age and treachery trumps youth and enthusiasm, every time!" East Central Director / Chrysler Power Magazine www.reasbeckracing.webs.com
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Casey and I feel the same way..The more the merrier...I just also come to the defense of my friends when needed...Chris is a great guy with some fine race cars. I just feel that it was a bit extreme when you won't let a man race because of lettering?? He was asked to come and race..The correct thing to do would have been to let him race that race and explain to him that they want lettered cars and if he wants to continue racing their circuit he would be required to letter something on his car. Personally the 422 guys have been nice to me as well..But I absolutly see Chris's point...No better way to settle it is line em up and race  poppaj
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