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Outdated tire questions? #1735528
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A few months ago one of the Mopar Magazines had an article regarding date codes and how to read them etc. Most of the shows I attend, the majority of the guys are running Goodyear Eagle GT II's, Goodyear Nascar, Eagle II's with the eagle head logo,and even the Goodyear nascar with the yellow letters. I'm sure most of these are outdated 5-10 years ago and we are limited to the BFG or Cooper Cobra in a 14 or 15" tire. Are you guys relying on the mileage on the tires instead of the age and is this safe?

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You may be mistaking show cars, trailer queens by another name, for cars that get driven regularly.

Even if they drive them (I doubt it) they swap tires for something modern when they hit the streets.

I regularly run tires to death and have had at least five cases of belts coming off at speed. All of these tires were older than the hills. I'm lucky I drive on straight lonely roads, well except the mountains.

We had a complete tread come off an old Michelin on the Interstate and the car instantly became a handful to drive. Front wheel drive, rear tire scalped. I wouldn't have guessed it would be so dangerous on the rear, but it was.

So use old tires at your own risk. Let someone else put the last few miles on them. Or do as I do, suffer through the episodes and endure the body damage occurring when the tread whips the fender to shreds.

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I maybe put 2000 miles a year on my car. at the rate I burn out tires on my DD, at around 20k miles, that is still 10 years of driving on a set before they would need to be replaced due to mileage.

generally, I make sure they aren't dry rotting, and replace them around they 6 to 8 year mark regardless of tread.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Airgrabber] #1735531
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"A few months ago one of the Mopar Magazines had an article regarding date codes and how to read them etc."
Do you remember which magazine? I must have missed the article. Tires on my Barracuda were on it when I purchased in 2004. Mostly garage miles.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Airgrabber] #1735532
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Are you guys relying on the mileage on the tires instead of the age and is this safe?




Mileage.

If I changed tires on the cars by date, I would have more sets of tires than oil changes.

I've got BF's that have to be 20 years old now and I still run them up 85mph. They have maybe 1500 miles on them at the most.


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"A few months ago one of the Mopar Magazines had an article regarding date codes and how to read them etc."
Do you remember which magazine? I must have missed the article. Tires on my Barracuda were on it when I purchased in 2004. Mostly garage miles.




Mopar Action, Dec 2014, page 76

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Grizzly] #1735534
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Are you guys relying on the mileage on the tires instead of the age and is this safe?




Mileage.

If I changed tires on the cars by date, I would have more sets of tires than oil changes.

I've got BF's that have to be 20 years old now and I still run them up 85mph. They have maybe 1500 miles on them at the most.




Wear for me. Tires on the Charger are probably 12-13 yrs. old and still look good. Keep the air pressure checked and look them over at least once a month for cracks or bulges. Have about 20k on them.


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My buddy had some mint looking 15yo tires on his car maybe a few thousand miles on them tops. Rear DS came apart at about 60mph on the expressway totaling the whole quarter panel . They also go bad on the inside and separate from the cords.

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Three of my old tires that came apart were BFGs, the other two were Michelins. All were old enough to be in high school.

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Here is one for ya! Massachusetts is considering failing you for a inspection sticker if your tires are ten years old. Right now, both of my daily driven cars have tires that are that old. These tires still have plenty of tread to go.

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We use a lot of used tires on our stuff and I see a lot more failures on cheap import tires than I have ever seen on aged tires. Since matching doesn't matter as much on my trailers, I usually buy old spares at the pick-a-part yards for them. Full tread tires that haven't seen much sun and are often 10, 12, 15 years old or older. I don't have any more problems out of 15+ year old tires than I do out of 3 or 4 year old tires.

But on the newer cheap import tires, they often bust cords or throw their treads while still having 1/2 tread or so on our cars. Just plain poor construction.

So in my experience, the original construction of the tire is far, far more important than the age of the tire.



P.S. The number of tires that I mount that are not round is a real shocker. Sounds weird, but is true. Another example of poor construction.


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You guys are playing roulette with your life and your prized Mopar's running tires over 4 years old I had a set on a B-Body that were 10 years old with all their tread, On the way to a Mopar show in Phoenix the driver side front BFG threw a chunk of tread off the tire about the size of a softball and about destroyed the front fender. NEVER AGAIN will I run old tires on anything.Don't gamble with your life on old tires

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Are you guys relying on the mileage on the tires instead of the age and is this safe?




Mileage.

If I changed tires on the cars by date, I would have more sets of tires than oil changes.

I've got BF's that have to be 20 years old now and I still run them up 85mph. They have maybe 1500 miles on them at the most.




Wear for me. Tires on the Charger are probably 12-13 yrs. old and still look good. Keep the air pressure checked and look them over at least once a month for cracks or bulges. Have about 20k on them.


Tim




Same here, Tim. I bought the tires for my Charger in June 2003 and have less than 10,000 miles on them. The rears have about 50% remaining, the fronts are at about 70%. They still look great because when the car isn't driven, it sits inside my shop with little sunlight inside. Last year I wanted to get the tires REbalanced and the "America's Tire" store wouldn't do it since the tires are more than 10 years old.
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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: jose jones] #1735541
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You guys are playing roulette with your life and your prized Mopar's running tires over 4 years old I had a set on a B-Body that were 10 years old with all their tread, On the way to a Mopar show in Phoenix the driver side front BFG threw a chunk of tread off the tire about the size of a softball and about destroyed the front fender. NEVER AGAIN will I run old tires on anything.Don't gamble with your life on old tires





Age, no more than five years for me. As the tire ages, even if stored inside, they dry out and get hard. Dry hard tires lose grip and don't handle good. I can feel the difference every time I replace the tires. I average about 2000 miles a year on the Bee.

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Running old tires is like not believing in the after life - what if you're wrong!

No harm in replacing tires prematurely or believing in the after life even if you're wrong.

Time all the way for anything I care about, I cheat a little on the rear tires of the Charger cause the quarters are fubared anyway, but the fronts are new.


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Old tire blow out, just sitting in the driveway. Hadnt driven it that day.
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You guys are playing roulette with your life and your prized Mopar's running tires over 4 years old I had a set on a B-Body that were 10 years old with all their tread, On the way to a Mopar show in Phoenix the driver side front BFG threw a chunk of tread off the tire about the size of a softball and about destroyed the front fender. NEVER AGAIN will I run old tires on anything.Don't gamble with your life on old tires




HAH!!!!

I'm also playing with my life eating fast food and cheap supermarket meat and dairy. Why? because i'm not rich enough to own my own private farm, and farmers, that grow my own true organic meat and grain, to be prepared into daily meals by my own personal chef.

Must be nice to be rich!

Four years... hahahahahahahahahahaha.....

I think in my 25 years ov driving (bloody goddamn fast) i've owned ONE set ov tires that were under 4 years old. ONE. My POS Charger was even nice enough to break the K-member and scrub the fronts from brand blue-lettered-new to right down to the cords in 200 miles too... so yeah, owned a PAIR ov newer tires, and another for about 8 days.

Most ov my tires are anywhere from 10 to 20 years old. No helping that. I'd rather have some nice 15 year old BFG's on there than some brand new Coopers... or some 15 year old 295/50/15's than some brand new 235/70/15's.

Never had a problem... and i see more illegal speed on public roads than you (plural). Bet on that.

New tires are a luxury. The girlfriend brought brand new BFG G-Force KDW2's for her Mustang GT... damn that was nice...

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The only tires I have personally had that failed, came apart or broke cords, have ALL been BFG T/As.

Some bought new, some on the car when purchased.

I see BFG mentioned in this post also ...

Had a balance problem with one from new, at mounting, wouldn't balance it was so far out.

I still like the looks, but the quality? I think it is questionable.






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My hope is now that Michelin owns BF that the quality will be better.

The three sets I have now seem to be good.

But, in the past I've had two sets that didn't work out. Seperated 4 of them by running the car above the speed rating for 45 minutes, so, my fault. But, the other set, from brand-new they could not balance them and one of the back ones seperated. Wound up pulling them all off and put Generals on. I was really impressed with the Generals after going the rounds with BF.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: jose jones] #1735548
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You guys are playing roulette with your life and your prized Mopar's running tires over 4 years old I had a set on a B-Body that were 10 years old with all their tread, On the way to a Mopar show in Phoenix the driver side front BFG threw a chunk of tread off the tire about the size of a softball and about destroyed the front fender. NEVER AGAIN will I run old tires on anything.Don't gamble with your life on old tires





There is a pretty big difference between 4 year old tires and tires that failed at 10 years old.

I suspect the tire manufacturer has as much influence on how long a tire lives as any other factors. Probably how the tire was used (or abused) comes in 2nd concerning tire failure, then probably followed by tire care. We have all seen newer then 3 year old tires fail.

Several tire manufacturers have had known quality issues for a few years (Firestone comes to mind) and high speed, curb rubbing, low inflation, sun baking, parked with weight on the same spot without moving for years, and burn outs tend to shorten tire life. The issue with used tires is you usually don't know the tires history.

I would trust older tires that have passed visual inspection that I know have been regularly used and well cared for before I would trust new tires that can't be balanced, take a lot of weight to balance, or are out of round.

The Michelin tires on my coupe were 9 years old when I put them on, 4 years ago. I knew where they came from, all 4 took less the an ounce (total) to balance, and they looked great. They are getting up there in miles and the thread is wearing down, I will give them a very good visual inspection again this year, and I will probably be replacing them after this summer. I have more trust in them then I do the 4 year old tires on my wife's car. Those will probably be replaced this summer.

I believe the 5 year tire replacement deal is a result of a few companies covering up poor quality built tires 5-8 years ago, and they are using the tire age as an excuse. The advantage to them is now the original quality can be cut back, and they get to sell more tires without repercussions from the poor quality. Years ago, you fully expected to have good tires until you wore the thread off of them, now the are suppose to be junk in 5 years. I suppose the next step is that the tires will go bald in 50,000 miles or 6 years, we will all be happy?

The tire deal is kind of like major household appliances. Years ago, major appliances were expected to last 20-25 years. Then the cut the quality across the board, and the life expectancy dropped to 4-5 years. These days, if major appliances last 8-10 years we think they are great. Our expectations have been lowered. Gene

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The Michelin tires on my coupe were 9 years old when I put them on, 4 years ago. I knew where they came from, all 4 took less the an ounce (total) to balance, and they looked great.




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Never had a flat.

Rotated once a year.

Balance on the inside only. No more weight than the width of a nickel.



As of today: 142,000 miles on them, 7 years old.

That's a Michelin for You. You have no worries.

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Most tire stores wont even put a tire on a wheel for you if its over 7 years old...


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Most tire stores wont even put a tire on a wheel for you if its over 7 years old...




We wont except 3 year old tires from our suppliers and will replace 5 year old tires on the used cars we intend to sale retail.


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Remember the good old day of bias ply tires and point ignition? If you got 20,000 miles on a set of tires and 10,000 on a set of points and plugs you were happy.

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A Mopar guy from the Northwest, Washington/Oregon area was about 10 miles from Las Vegas on his way to Mopars at the Strip when he blew a 8 year old tire on his cherry RR vert, It made a huge mess out of the car, amazingly he wasn't killed. It looked like he hit guardrails on both sides of the car The amount of tread is not a good indication of when a old tire will fail.

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My buddy had some mint looking 15yo tires on his car maybe a few thousand miles on them tops. Rear DS came apart at about 60mph on the expressway totaling the whole quarter panel . They also go bad on the inside and separate from the cords.




Virtually the same thing happened to me recently on my old B-van. Tires had tons of tread left but were 10+ years old. It was ugly, and a bit scary.

Rick

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Never had a flat.

Rotated once a year.

Balance on the inside only. No more weight than the width of a nickel.



As of today: 142,000 miles on them, 7 years old.

That's a Michelin for You. You have no worries.




How did you ever get that kind of mileage out of a tire....any tire?

When I bought my new 2005 r/c short bed 2wd Dodge truck, I was happy that it came with Michelins as I had always heard how may miles everyone got out of them. Yeah right....26,000 on them and they were worn out and out of round. They were kept properly inflated and rotated every 6,000 miles, truck sat in a dark garage when it wasn't driven. Don't know how I could have taken any better care of them. I got about the same mileage out of the Generals I put on it next. The next set was 10 p/r Continentals. I think they would have lasted better but I sold the truck when they had about 12k on them.

I think my 2012 Ram 4x4 had GoodYear tires on it from the factory, they didn't last 30k either. I am now alternating between a set of rough tread 10 plys for the winter and a set of less agressive 10 plys for the summer. I'm hoping for longer life but am skeptical right now.

At least 99% (or more) of my driving is on pavement, maybe I don't slow enough for the corners??
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Never had a flat.

Rotated once a year.

Balance on the inside only. No more weight than the width of a nickel.



As of today: 142,000 miles on them, 7 years old.

That's a Michelin for You. You have no worries.




How did you ever get that kind of mileage out of a tire....any tire?

When I bought my new 2005 r/c short bed 2wd Dodge truck, I was happy that it came with Michelins as I had always heard how may miles everyone got out of them. Yeah right....26,000 on them and they were worn out and out of round. They were kept properly inflated and rotated every 6,000 miles, truck sat in a dark garage when it wasn't driven. Don't know how I could have taken any better care of them. I got about the same mileage out of the Generals I put on it next. The next set was 10 p/r Continentals. I think they would have lasted better but I sold the truck when they had about 12k on them.

I think my 2012 Ram 4x4 had GoodYear tires on it from the factory, they didn't last 30k either. I am now alternating between a set of rough tread 10 plys for the winter and a set of less agressive 10 plys for the summer. I'm hoping for longer life but am skeptical right now.

At least 99% (or more) of my driving is on pavement, maybe I don't slow enough for the corners??
Dallas


I found a huge difference in quality between the Michelins that were OEM and the ones you buy at your local tire store. My 89 Plymouth Acclaim LX came with Michelins with H speed rating. I cannot remember the name. Mine also started showing wear issues at 28K miles. I went to the local Big O store and looked at the same named tire and it was radically different. While the speed rating and traction ratings on the tires were the same, the wear rating was different and much better on the tire in the showroom. Of course the tire salesman was quick to explain that these were better tires than the ones that came on the car and that Michelin made knock offs of their own tires for OEM use. I did not believe him. But the tires I bought that day lasted for over 80,000 miles, nearly three as times as long. I still don't totally believe him but the tires were still on the car when I sold it.
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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: denfireguy] #1735558
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Never had a flat.

Rotated once a year.

Balance on the inside only. No more weight than the width of a nickel.



As of today: 142,000 miles on them, 7 years old.

That's a Michelin for You. You have no worries.




How did you ever get that kind of mileage out of a tire....any tire?

When I bought my new 2005 r/c short bed 2wd Dodge truck, I was happy that it came with Michelins as I had always heard how may miles everyone got out of them. Yeah right....26,000 on them and they were worn out and out of round. They were kept properly inflated and rotated every 6,000 miles, truck sat in a dark garage when it wasn't driven. Don't know how I could have taken any better care of them. I got about the same mileage out of the Generals I put on it next. The next set was 10 p/r Continentals. I think they would have lasted better but I sold the truck when they had about 12k on them.

I think my 2012 Ram 4x4 had GoodYear tires on it from the factory, they didn't last 30k either. I am now alternating between a set of rough tread 10 plys for the winter and a set of less agressive 10 plys for the summer. I'm hoping for longer life but am skeptical right now.

At least 99% (or more) of my driving is on pavement, maybe I don't slow enough for the corners??
Dallas


I found a huge difference in quality between the Michelins that were OEM and the ones you buy at your local tire store. My 89 Plymouth Acclaim LX came with Michelins with H speed rating. I cannot remember the name. Mine also started showing wear issues at 28K miles. I went to the local Big O store and looked at the same named tire and it was radically different. While the speed rating and traction ratings on the tires were the same, the wear rating was different and much better on the tire in the showroom. Of course the tire salesman was quick to explain that these were better tires than the ones that came on the car and that Michelin made knock offs of their own tires for OEM use. I did not believe him. But the tires I bought that day lasted for over 80,000 miles, nearly three as times as long. I still don't totally believe him but the tires were still on the car when I sold it.
Craig




Most, if not all tire manufacturers have their own front-line tires but also build tires for the mass marketers and the car manufacturers. The ones built for the Wal-Marts of the world and the car companies are spec'd by the buyers.

And they are very different tires.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: denfireguy] #1735559
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I found a huge difference in quality between the Michelins that were OEM and the ones you buy at your local tire store. My 89 Plymouth Acclaim LX came with Michelins with H speed rating. I cannot remember the name. Mine also started showing wear issues at 28K miles. I went to the local Big O store and looked at the same named tire and it was radically different. While the speed rating and traction ratings on the tires were the same, the wear rating was different and much better on the tire in the showroom. Of course the tire salesman was quick to explain that these were better tires than the ones that came on the car and that Michelin made knock offs of their own tires for OEM use. I did not believe him. But the tires I bought that day lasted for over 80,000 miles, nearly three as times as long. I still don't totally believe him but the tires were still on the car when I sold it.
Craig




Grossly simplified: It is pretty much a pure inverse relationship: The harder the rubber, the higher the treadwear number & the longer they last, but, alas, the less grippy they are.

For my use (I like the twisties), I'd never buy anything rated more than treadwear 200.

Just my 2¢ worth.

Rick

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1735560
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One important point on those wear ratings. Those ratings are for comparison within that brand of tire only, not across all brands. Which is why you do not hear of them being referenced much.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: DaveRS23] #1735561
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Dallas, Craig has answered the question pretty good, and I will add:

There is a "TPC" spec on tires. This relates to how much money the OEM wants to spend on outfitting their vehicles. It's a long story to get into but, I found it relates to the warranty period. If a new truck comes with 50,000 mile warranty, the OEM tires will last less. If you watch these guys from year to year, and they put a 100,000 mile warranty on the same vehicle you will notice they change the rubber and the tires last longer.

How did I do it with my tires? My OEM Goodyears made it 70,000 miles and I don't speed, don't punch it from every red light, I'm not hard on the brakes, and I have all open road and no city to deal with. Most sets of tires I get 60,000 or so.

I pulled a set of Michelin LTX's off of my new '02 2500 Diesel and put them on my 1/2 ton work truck (different truck than above): they went over 100,000 miles.

With that little experiment, instead of putting on "P" tires, I went with a 3/4 ton spec tire. "E's" or something like that, I'd have to go out and look at them to be sure. And, this seems to be working, so I'm going to keep it up.

I paid dearly for them though. When they first came out I think they were close to $380 a tire (285's) mounted, balanced and tax. One of these tires is going to get hung on my garage wall with the final mileage written on it.

No doubt about it, I'm getting another set before Michelin discontinues them.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Airgrabber] #1735562
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20 + years old,5,700 miles,no rot,look like new,pitch them ??

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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1735563
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I have a set of BFG's on one of my cars that have a 03 year manufacture date and still have the stickers on them . Can you say Slow Project Build?



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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: rowin4] #1735564
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Unless you are rich like most of the members here why not use common sense ? You should check your tires at least once a week on daily driver If you see dry rotting or cracking time to say adios> simply don't buy that all older tires are bad, In recent years I have had more with new tires coming apart then old in fleet vehicles. Myself I have had tires come apart on my cars when less then 6 month's old. I got the run around back in day that they spun on rim etc. Now I'kll just say the word law suit and I get them exchanged But why ?Check your tires and don't run the silver state challenge on 15 year old tires !

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #1735565
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Truck guys don't forget to check your spare tire...I bought a brand new 2011 truck that has Goodyears all the way around and once under the vehicle I noticed the brand new spare was dry rotted and cracked all the way around the steel wheel...It was a Michelin...Truck did not have even 500 miles on it yet!!
Dealer had no problem replacing it and acted pretty shocked by it as well..


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1735566
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20 + years old,5,700 miles,no rot,look like new,pitch them ??




If you plan on driving over 10 miles an hour then yes. What is your quarters worth? Much less blood and bones.

Simple fact is people who don't choice to believe at this point with as much evidence as there is will not believe due to anything that is said. When it happens to them, then they will believe and become the spokes person and hopefully it wont cost them too much for the lesson. I chose to err on the side of caution, tires aren't as much as paint work, besides original metal is priceless. [list]


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 72N96RR] #1735567
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Another thing you might note.......where are the guys saying "replace them every 4 years" live..... yep! the f'n desert!! I HATE tires... last set of Michelin LTX's I had on my truck got canned with 8/32 tread still on them. They were five years old and literally crumbling apart. I don't drive the truck that much, mostly to pull the racecar or boat. Sits outside most of the time. It's dry.... hotter than the sun... great place for tires. Even worse subject? trailer tires. My old enclosed had 15" wheels and after trying numerous brands and plys, I came to the realization that if I wanted to tow with confidence..... replace them every two years. Luckily after shredding 4 different tires, I have yet to sustain substantial damage to the trailer.... knock on wood. My recent trailer has 16" wheels. Much more tire selection. Original tires lasted 4 years and were actually worn down in the tread.....but it lived most of it's life in South Dakota. It was a treat to replace a set of tires that actually looked worn. Time will tell how long these will last.... but I'm betting I'll be shopping for tires again in two years.

truck spare tire.... yeah, that got me too. When one of the above mentioned LTX's had a belt separate, I pulled over to change it and lowered down the spare and it hit me.... that is one old tire.... 45 miles from home, made it 40 and chunks of the sidewall were suddenly flying off. Pulled over again, reinstalled the separating tire, and limped my way home. Did I mention I hate tires?? Alot depends where you live. Up north we'd drive them till they dropped. In the heat, whole different ball game.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: J_BODY] #1735568
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Another thing you might note.......where are the guys saying "replace them every 4 years" live..... yep! the f'n desert!!




Yes.

I've had one blow-out with a Goodyear that still had 60% tread. Was just about 100 degrees and I was speeding (more heat). Uncommon temps for us, so I can totally get on board with the South Guys being a bit more concerned than us North Folk.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Grizzly] #1735569
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Another thing you might note.......where are the guys saying "replace them every 4 years" live..... yep! the f'n desert!!




Yes.

I've had one blow-out with a Goodyear that still had 60% tread. Was just about 100 degrees and I was speeding (more heat). Uncommon temps for us, so I can totally get on board with the South Guys being a bit more concerned than us North Folk.





Rick Ehrenberg who is one of the smartest Mopar guys around posted on page one about a tire coming apart, He lives in New York not the desert

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: mopar346] #1735570
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20 + years old,5,700 miles,no rot,look like new,pitch them ??




If you plan on driving over 10 miles an hour then yes. What is your quarters worth? Much less blood and bones.

Simple fact is people who don't choice to believe at this point with as much evidence as there is will not believe due to anything that is said. When it happens to them, then they will believe and become the spokes person and hopefully it wont cost them too much for the lesson. I chose to err on the side of caution, tires aren't as much as paint work, besides original metal is priceless. [list]





Nope,found a better way to dispose of them !!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Vintage-F60-...0ee&vxp=mtr

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1735571
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I realize that someone will buy them but that is insane on so many levels, not you the ad, well maybe you too, not sure on that.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: mopar346] #1735572
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you guys are nuts running 10 year old tires up to 80+ MPH.

if its just a trailer queen or a car that doesn't see over like 45 mph then run the older tires.

i had a BFG that had 90% tread but was about 8 or 9 years go on me last may (can't find the pics). the tires looked great. no dry rot or cracks in the tread area. coming home from the OC MD cruise it blew out on the parkway. temp was nice not too hot not too cold. car doesn't see bad weather. just an old tire. every 4 years may be extreme but i sure wouldn't let them get 10 years old again..


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: mopar346] #1735573
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I realize that someone will buy them but that is insane on so many levels, not you the ad, well maybe you too, not sure on that.





Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1735574
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I had a blowout with a new tire with less than 100 miles. What does that tell you? It's gonna happen when it wants to. 4 years for replacement is extreme. Why not make it 3 years? Or 2? Or just don't leave the house?

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 68_661charger] #1735575
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I've never known anyone around here who replaced tires due to age. The tires that came new on my 07 are finished at 50,000 miles, wore em darn near to the cords before I swapped on the winter rubber. This spring, some new 9 year old tires will be going on and I'll likely run them till they drop too.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1735576
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20 + years old,5,700 miles,no rot,look like new,pitch them ??




Let's see that comes to 285 miles per year. I suspect those tires are on a trailer queen that never sees speeds above 30 MPH. My car sees 80 MPH plus every time I drive it. I average at least 3000 miles a year and it sees a lot of interstate milage. It is common for me to take the car on 200 mile trips. So spending $800 replacing tires every 4 to 5 years verse risking wrecking the classic and spending thousands to have it repaired makes perfect sense to me.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Dabee] #1735577
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Let's see that comes to 285 miles per year. I suspect those tires are on a trailer queen that never sees speeds above 30 MPH. My car sees 80 MPH plus every time I drive it. I average at least 3000 miles a year and it sees a lot of interstate milage. It is common for me to take the car on 200 mile trips. So spending $800 replacing tires every 4 to 5 years verse risking wrecking the classic and spending thousands to have it repaired makes perfect sense to me.




Way off on the 30 mph,drive it like everything else when I do and it's not a trailer queen.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: jose jones] #1735578
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Another thing you might note.......where are the guys saying "replace them every 4 years" live..... yep! the f'n desert!!




Yes.

I've had one blow-out with a Goodyear that still had 60% tread. Was just about 100 degrees and I was speeding (more heat). Uncommon temps for us, so I can totally get on board with the South Guys being a bit more concerned than us North Folk.





Rick Ehrenberg who is one of the smartest Mopar guys around posted on page one about a tire coming apart, He lives in New York not the desert




I'm sure they have blow-outs in the North Pole too, the point I was trying to make is that heat multiplies the chances.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Grizzly] #1735579
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Another thing you might note.......where are the guys saying "replace them every 4 years" live..... yep! the f'n desert!!




Yes.

I've had one blow-out with a Goodyear that still had 60% tread. Was just about 100 degrees and I was speeding (more heat). Uncommon temps for us, so I can totally get on board with the South Guys being a bit more concerned than us North Folk.





Rick Ehrenberg who is one of the smartest Mopar guys around posted on page one about a tire coming apart, He lives in New York not the desert




I'm sure they have blow-outs in the North Pole too, the point I was trying to make is that heat multiplies the chances.





I'd wager cold has a similar effect. Tires rolling in the sub freezing temps, not flexing like they would at 70*-90* or so, cracking when they would normally flex.
I drove a lot in the freezing ass cold, when tires would go thump thump thump until they got some heat in them.
Plastics that are flexible in the heat can and do splinter in the cold.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Airgrabber] #1735580
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And there you have it... Just replace all the tires when you change the vehicle's battery and you'll always feel good about the ride...Just a reminder like changing the batteries in the smoke detectors when you set the clocks back every year...

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: screamindriver] #1735581
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I wouldn't want someone getting hurt on tires I sold them...20 year old tires need to be destroyed or used just in the trunk for show spares..


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Grizzly] #1735582
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Uncommon temps for us, so I can totally get on board with the South Guys being a bit more concerned than us North Folk.




Up here in the North East the only time we ever see blow outs is when it summer time so that makes sense. I never see it otherwise.

Oh and Michelin? I know it was well over a decade ago but in the RV business use to be one of the worst tires ever and the company would screw you blind if you tried to get them warrantied. And we were a dealer selling vehicles factory equipped with them.




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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: gdonovan] #1735583
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7 year old tire on a trailer, less than 100 miles later another one did exactly the same thing. You guys can run old tires all you want, but hope you don't kill somebody else.

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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: screamindriver] #1735584
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And there you have it... Just replace all the tires when you change the vehicle's battery and you'll always feel good about the ride...Just a reminder like changing the batteries in the smoke detectors when you set the clocks back every year...




So then I would still have 12 yr old tires the same as the 12 yr old restoration battery from the former New Castle Battery ( actualy two of their batteries since 1992 ) that is still works like it did ten yrs ago ?

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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1735585
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That is amazing on the batteries.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: mopar346] #1735586
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That is amazing on the batteries.




Only two since I finished car in 1992,first wet cell,this one sealed.The original New Castle Co ( Turbo Start) probably had the best reproduction,quality went down hill when they changed hands,now Axiom Power.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: 62maxwgn] #1735587
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20 + years old,5,700 miles,no rot,look like new,pitch them ??




Yes! Unless you have jacked the car up so the weight has been off the tires most of their lives, they have been sitting in the exact positions for long periods of time have flat spotted. Each of those long term siting flat spots have deformed the belts inside the tires. Then you take those tires out on the road, and after a few miles, they return round and smooth out, but the damage is still there. Your highway speed ride creates a lot of heat which will compound the defective belt situation. I suspect you have been fortunate for the last 8- 10 years. Are you still feeling lucky?

Your tires would probably be great for a trailer queen that hides in a trailer, comes out to park on the field, do a little low speed around town driving, then go back in the trailer. To expect 20 year old tires that spend most of their lives sitting in the same place holding up a car, to go out and do highway speeds is pretty brave.

Personally, I would be changing those tires if it was my car. Gene

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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Bull1tt] #1735589
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7 year old tire on a trailer, less than 100 miles later another one did exactly the same thing. You guys can run old tires all you want, but hope you don't kill somebody else.




What brand is that tire and where was it made?


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: screamindriver] #1735590
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And there you have it... Just replace all the tires when you change the vehicle's battery and you'll always feel good about the ride...Just a reminder like changing the batteries in the smoke detectors when you set the clocks back every year...




So being in Arizona, I'm changing my tires every 8 to 24 months?


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20 + years old,5,700 miles,no rot,look like new,pitch them ??




Yes! Unless you have jacked the car up so the weight has been off the tires most of their lives, they have been sitting in the exact positions for long periods of time have flat spotted. Each of those long term siting flat spots have deformed the belts inside the tires. Then you take those tires out on the road, and after a few miles, they return round and smooth out, but the damage is still there. Your highway speed ride creates a lot of heat which will compound the defective belt situation. I suspect you have been fortunate for the last 8- 10 years. Are you still feeling lucky?

Your tires would probably be great for a trailer queen that hides in a trailer, comes out to park on the field, do a little low speed around town driving, then go back in the trailer. To expect 20 year old tires that spend most of their lives sitting in the same place holding up a car, to go out and do highway speeds is pretty brave.

Personally, I would be changing those tires if it was my car. Gene




Years ago I bought a Viper on the East Coast that was 4 years old with under 1100 miles on it, Decided to see America and drive it home, The tires had flat spots and never went round again after setting for that much time It was sick to need to spent apx. 1700 bucks on new Michelins But much cheaper than having one come apart trashing a 13,000 dollar hood

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: DaveRS23] #1735592
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7 year old tire on a trailer, less than 100 miles later another one did exactly the same thing. You guys can run old tires all you want, but hope you don't kill somebody else.




What brand is that tire and where was it made?




Most trailer tires are junk and I'd not trust hem as far as I could throw them. Was always a huge issue when I was in the RV business.

We had new trailer tires where the air would come through the sidewalls!




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Last night a woman reported on TV that her tires were only 2 days old and blown out. Gee she hit a pot hole the size football field and only yea only 6" + deep Nothing is built worth a dam any more in the old days you had blow outs especially recaps but today this is just what the companies want spend more money on our junk. Hurry buy our junk its no good after 4 years and dummies all go and buy it. Should we all change timing belts after 4 years?. Companies need to be accountable and they are not at this time Remember the Firestone steel radial 500s? again finally made to pay. Trailer tires forget it they are all crap. One last thing check your tires once a week for pressure etc it will help in the long run

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7 year old tire on a trailer, less than 100 miles later another one did exactly the same thing. You guys can run old tires all you want, but hope you don't kill somebody else.




What brand is that tire and where was it made?




Most trailer tires are junk and I'd not trust hem as far as I could throw them. Was always a huge issue when I was in the RV business.

We had new trailer tires where the air would come through the sidewalls!





Yep. That was the reason for my question. There have been quite a few posts here and on other boards about the sad situation with trailer tires the last few years. It has gotten so bad that all our trailers have regular vehicle tires, not trailer tires.

In this particular case, I'll bet that age wasn't the primary reason for the failures. Based on what I have seen the last few years, he should feel lucky that they got him that far.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: GTSDart340] #1735595
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And there you have it... Just replace all the tires when you change the vehicle's battery and you'll always feel good about the ride...Just a reminder like changing the batteries in the smoke detectors when you set the clocks back every year...




So being in Arizona, I'm changing my tires every 8 to 24 months? ................................ So then I would still have 12 yr old tires the same as the 12 yr old restoration battery from the former New Castle Battery ( actualy two of their batteries since 1992 ) that is still works like it did ten yrs ago ?



Silly is'nt it...Just trying to prove a point... I understand exactly what the message is that's getting conveyed here but picking out a year for every tire out there to be DOA probably is'nt the best solution either....There's just too many factors involved...

Last week I had a shop try to sell us a four tire set and two of them were from 2011...How many customers buy "new" tires and don't even look at the dates ??? Needless to say we did'nt take those...

And you can't buy cheap tires and complain about how they performed...
I've paid more for a good trailer tire than what you could buy the "combo" deal {tire and new rim} knowing the outcome would be better than that route...Vehicle tires are no different

Trouble is in this day and age you really can't identify a good tire just by the manufacturer anymore...

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So what would an automotive engineer say about old tires?

"...tires will crack and become dry-rotted long before they wear out. This will occur faster when exposed to the UV effect of the sun. Since your (car) is under a carport, it is very possible that the tires on one side are baking in direct sunlight for a few hours a day. Those tires will deteriorate first.

"What I like to do is to visually inspect the sidewalls and in between the treads for cracking. I also use my finger to depress the tread to see how pliable it is. A new tire will be very soft, while an aged one will be very hard and not depress. You will eventually notice this in the ride quality and level of tire noise.

"At eight years, I would suggest a new set of tires. You may want to invest in tire covers like those used on recreational vehicles to protect the new tires from direct sunlight and the impact it has on the rubber."

This article by Ray Bohacz originally appeared in the September, 2008 issue of Hemmings Muscle Machines, archived on the web here:
http://www.hemmings.com/search_content/?0=0&bylineFacet=Ray Bohacz&sort=display_date_desc&page_size=15&start=150

Get out those fingers and depress.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: DaveRS23] #1735597
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We use a lot of used tires on our stuff and I see a lot more failures on cheap import tires than I have ever seen on aged tires. Since matching doesn't matter as much on my trailers, I usually buy old spares at the pick-a-part yards for them. Full tread tires that haven't seen much sun and are often 10, 12, 15 years old or older. I don't have any more problems out of 15+ year old tires than I do out of 3 or 4 year old tires.

But on the newer cheap import tires, they often bust cords or throw their treads while still having 1/2 tread or so on our cars. Just plain poor construction.

So in my experience, the original construction of the tire is far, far more important than the age of the tire.



P.S. The number of tires that I mount that are not round is a real shocker. Sounds weird, but is true. Another example of poor construction.




I had a chepa set of tires on my Neon years ago and had three flats, one in the sidewall=junk, in 6 months. I`ve run old tires for years and never had a problem so it`s not just the age of the tire as brand new ones can fail too, you can`t make everything 100% safe! Also most classic cars are garage kept limiting time exposed to sun which I would think increase life? I`ll risk it. Of course the news media never blows anything out of proportion.

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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: screamindriver] #1735598
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And there you have it... Just replace all the tires when you change the vehicle's battery and you'll always feel good about the ride...Just a reminder like changing the batteries in the smoke detectors when you set the clocks back every year...




Just sold my `04 ram with the original battery still working fine. How about your brakes, are they important? If they are you would need to change any rubber brake lines also, ditto fuel lines and anything else rubber that could cause a breakdown in the middle of a busy highway. Up here in the rust belt steel lines rust so I guess all the steel lines in a vehicle should also be replaced at the same intervals - see where this is going?

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: torredcuda] #1735599
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And there you have it... Just replace all the tires when you change the vehicle's battery and you'll always feel good about the ride...Just a reminder like changing the batteries in the smoke detectors when you set the clocks back every year...




Just sold my `04 ram with the original battery still working fine. How about your brakes, are they important? If they are you would need to change any rubber brake lines also, ditto fuel lines and anything else rubber that could cause a breakdown in the middle of a busy highway. Up here in the rust belt steel lines rust so I guess all the steel lines in a vehicle should also be replaced at the same intervals - see where this is going?




Actually you are correct on the steel lines up there, that is one of the state inspection issues in most of those states I believe. It's amazign that people are using arguments like new tires are junk because they get a nail in the sidewall or bust when hitting a 6 inch pot hole, would an older tire have held up any better? Kinda like the lady that told me her windshield shouldn't have cracked no matte if it was hit by a rock, it was only 60 days old. Sad part is I think she honestly believed her misinformed view as well.

I do believe quality of the tire will play a role in how long it is good for but short of having a kevlar belt or something a nail in sidewall ruins a tire.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: mopar346] #1735600
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Sidewall was cut, not a nail. I drove the same road for 11 years and never had a flat except for that set of tires. Maybe just bad luck but tend to think just a crappy made tire.

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Sidewall was cut, not a nail. I drove the same road for 11 years and never had a flat except for that set of tires. Maybe just bad luck but tend to think just a crappy made tire.




Are you really saying that crappy tires cut themselves??? Or maybe just maybe it happened to be a piece of metal on the road that wasn't there for 11 years. Do you think that might even be possible?


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: mopar346] #1735602
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Ya, obviously something cut the tire and that happen to the best tires but three flats within 6 months, crappy wear, rode bad, all point to bad quality tires.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: torredcuda] #1735603
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Has China branched out to making passenger car tires yet? I can only imagine a huge wave of impoverished motorists running around with Harbor Freight tires.

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Has China branched out to making passenger car tires yet? I can only imagine a huge wave of impoverished motorists running around with Harbor Freight tires.




We had a guy that brought in a set of tires for us to mount up, in the early '70's that were made in Israel. We only read that because they were a brand Le-something we'd never heard of. He ran 'em for 30,000 miles, no issues.

Not that I'm going to endorse running bad tires but, over the years I have had flats, blowouts & tires shred completely off the rim at well over 100 mph. Never crashed a car yet because of it. Paying attention when you're driving is always a plus.

Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: Kern Dog] #1735605
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Has China branched out to making passenger car tires yet? I can only imagine a huge wave of impoverished motorists running around with Harbor Freight tires.




Oh yeah. Primewells have been around awhile as have others.

I think there was a thread a while back that said there were some overseas knock-off tires. I don't remember whose name they were using, but they were really, really bad and there was no one to hold accountable.


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Re: Outdated tire questions? [Re: DaveRS23] #1735606
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I think there was a thread a while back that said there were some overseas knock-off tires. I don't remember whose name they were using, but they were really, really bad and there was no one to hold accountable.




I think it was a Cooper truck tire but not 100% sure




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