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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: Blucuda413] #173398
12/23/08 05:06 PM
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I think some tracks have a large enough car count. They could run a 16 car all-out class on a weekly schedule. Do it just like pinks. Take the 16 cars with the closest ET's. Give the crowd what they want. JMO Jim

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #173399
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Atco has a great index series. They run 8.50 10.00 and 12.00. You can count on 30 or more cars for each class,the payouts are pretty good,pro tree,top 16 qualify pro ladder.10.00 class is dot tire 13" max, no tube cars, with 1 power adder. Its become very popular and now e town has been running 8.50 10.00 and 11.00 classes with similar rules. There's also points earned at every race.we run 10.00 with my brothers nova and do pretty well considering we don't make all the races. They usually run thursday nights with the 1st and last race combined with outlaw 10.5. 8.50 and quick 8 on sunday. Good show and its always a lot of spectators.


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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: Blucuda413] #173400
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The problem with the pro-tree thing is that it makes any yahoo with a car competitive. Anyone can leave off the flash...

People watching may like it, heck people who can't drive would even like it, but for those of us who do it for the competition would find it boring.

That's what always killed me when they tried the pro-tree thing in NSS years ago. It took the advantage away from the guys that could drive the starting line.

Might as well run one car at a time to take the finish line driving out of it too...

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: dizuster] #173401
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I have an idea, lets go to a 6" slick, no kind of electronics at all. no msd controllers of any kind. complete factory suspension, not even race shocks. heads up

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: dizuster] #173402
12/23/08 05:24 PM
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The problem with the pro-tree thing is that it makes any yahoo with a car competitive. Anyone can leave off the flash...

People watching may like it, heck people who can't drive would even like it, but for those of us who do it for the competition would find it boring.

That's what always killed me when they tried the pro-tree thing in NSS years ago. It took the advantage away from the guys that could drive the starting line.

Might as well run one car at a time to take the finish line driving out of it too...


Your joking...right. There is nothing EASY about .4 pro tree racing. Most yahoos, as you call them will be a day late. Have you ever actually raced on a pro tree. If you have and were that good, somebody will give you a car to drive. The 5.0 6.0 and 7.0 classes around here are deadly. If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat.

Monte

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: Monte_Smith] #173403
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The problem with the pro-tree thing is that it makes any yahoo with a car competitive. Anyone can leave off the flash...

People watching may like it, heck people who can't drive would even like it, but for those of us who do it for the competition would find it boring.

That's what always killed me when they tried the pro-tree thing in NSS years ago. It took the advantage away from the guys that could drive the starting line.

Might as well run one car at a time to take the finish line driving out of it too...


Your joking...right. There is nothing EASY about .4 pro tree racing. Most yahoos, as you call them will be a day late. Have you ever actually raced on a pro tree. If you have and were that good, somebody will give you a car to drive. The 5.0 6.0 and 7.0 classes around here are deadly. If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat.

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isn't that the truth

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: Monte_Smith] #173404
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The problem with the pro-tree thing is that it makes any yahoo with a car competitive. Anyone can leave off the flash...

People watching may like it, heck people who can't drive would even like it, but for those of us who do it for the competition would find it boring.

That's what always killed me when they tried the pro-tree thing in NSS years ago. It took the advantage away from the guys that could drive the starting line.

Might as well run one car at a time to take the finish line driving out of it too...


Your joking...right. There is nothing EASY about .4 pro tree racing. Most yahoos, as you call them will be a day late. Have you ever actually raced on a pro tree. If you have and were that good, somebody will give you a car to drive. The 5.0 6.0 and 7.0 classes around here are deadly. If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat.

Monte




hey ask sixpackgut how good the quicktree is on a pro tree

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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing #173406
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I dont want to resrtict any car weather its a tube
chassis or stock, that way if you "fit" in the ET class
then you run, not like the NSS where you need this
one type of car to race(just a for instance). Just
with a few rules to keep things simple

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Mason Dixon ran index class way back in 69. They must have had 30 indexes. AA thru Z. You would pick your class, then run heads up with everyone in that index. Might have 20 cars might have 1 car. After they ran all the index classes, they would then run all the index winners against each other. That was bracket style, except your dial in was the index number, not your hand picked choice. It was a lot of fun the way they ran it. Still seams more fun than todays bracket racing, course everything still seams more fun back in the 60's

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: weedlayer] #173408
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In the 35 years or so that I have been racing, the only time I have seen full stands for a bracket race have been either the Bracket Finals or when there was a booked-in show. Back before there were 24 national events a year you could always find a local track running fuel cars, funny cars, pro stockers, or jets/rockets on a bracket night. Fans loved it, racers hated it. The show took too much time because one of the fuel cars always puked.

Youn have not lived until you've made a pass right after the "Pollution Packer" rocket car.

Around here, the tracks don't even advertise bracket racing. I had raced at RT66 for 5 years and talked to people that didn't even know they had brackets there. When US30 was open everyone knew "SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!".


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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: slantzilla] #173409
12/23/08 06:56 PM
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The index racing thing has just caught on in NC, I think we're going to run index instead of trying to run Stk/SS ( way to many rules ) As far as Pro Tree vs Sportsman, Pro is 10x's harder with a sportsman tree you've got 3 light to get focused, on a Pro it's BAM and you're gone. I also like the idea of heads up rather than 1 go 1 sit and wait. Index racing is won or lost on the tree, cause you can bet on a 9.50 index almost everybody is going to be 9.52 or better.. IMO

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: slantzilla] #173410
12/23/08 08:35 PM
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In the 35 years or so that I have been racing, the only time I have seen full stands for a bracket race have been either the Bracket Finals or when there was a booked-in show. Back before there were 24 national events a year you could always find a local track running fuel cars, funny cars, pro stockers, or jets/rockets on a bracket night. Fans loved it, racers hated it. The show took too much time because one of the fuel cars always puked.

Youn have not lived until you've made a pass right after the "Pollution Packer" rocket car.

Around here, the tracks don't even advertise bracket racing. I had raced at RT66 for 5 years and talked to people that didn't even know they had brackets there. When US30 was open everyone knew "SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!".





Slant hit the nail on the head.People come to see Pinks because it is advertised on TV and they want to be there.Monte said the 5.0 60. and 7.0 classes do well,but if Orsca didnt have people like Mike Hill and that guy with a turbo mustang( you only see his wife in photo's) there wouldnt be a good attendence there.Sunday Sunday Sunday pounded in your head makes you want to go and having some kind of entertainment like a jet car,big name racer gets people there.I like index,class and bracket racing,but dont think people want to watch me do it.

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: cudabunch] #173411
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That is not exactly true. They have been having just 5.0 6.0 and 7.0 races around here, without the Outlaw 10.5 stuff and still drawing a big crowd. Still bracket racing, but the cars leave together on the pro tree and the fans just get into it more. One of the smaller local tracks that does it, is only 10 minutes from my house, so I go over and check it out. Last race, the place was packed. 6.0 paid 5k, with a 100 car turnout. They allowed one buy back, first or second round and easily paid the purse with car count.

Monte

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: Monte_Smith] #173412
12/23/08 09:11 PM
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Monte I get it, my point was advertising is what will get people there.What the heck is that mustang guys name? I think his side kick is named Steve.

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: cudabunch] #173413
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Tim Lynch. The "Lynch Mob". His wife's name is Kelly. Steve Petty, the tuner, works for Pro-Line race engines.

Monte

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: cudabunch] #173414
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Black & Green Mustang that totes the front wheels through the lights??? Tim Lynch ? I have to agree we don't pull hardly any people for the weekly bracket race unless they book in a Missile vs Fred type match race or a "Big Dog" style quick 8 show. People want to see heads ups door to door racing. I think thats why you see Grudge racing getting so big in the south cause it's wide open all out anything goes!!!!!!

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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: hemiparts] #173415
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Thats him

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #173416
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if you want to see some index action at atco, go to gonedragracing.com and click on event coverage and you can check out videos from all the classes 8.50 and 10.00 and 12.00. the guys that run that web site cover all the heads up action on the east coast!


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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: Monte_Smith] #173417
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Tim Lynch. The "Lynch Mob". His wife's name is Kelly. Steve Petty, the tuner, works for Pro-Line race engines.

Monte




Tim Lynch also works for Pro line.

As a kid, my Dad I used to go to Lancaster Dragway every Friday night, normal bracket program, the stands would be packed. Since I started racing in the late 80's, it seems there is no draw for the tracks for the local bracket races. Whats the difference from then to now??? Why did it boring? I still enjoy watching the Super Pro and most of the Pro cars run...street class is as it always will be a chance to hit the restroom, get a snack and cruise the pits.

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