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Thinking About Heads Up Racing #173378
12/23/08 01:31 PM
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I was thinking "what if" we could go back to the
old class racing with a heads up start but with
different et's groups as in 9.0, 9.5, 10.0. These
are just examples but it seems like no one likes
the stagered starts of bracket racing. Lets hear
your ideas on how we can get drag racing on a UP
SWING instead of the decrease in the sport and stands.
Maybe we could get some of the tracks into the idea
so they can survive and make it enjoyable to all of us

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Alot of those classes are out there. I think next year at racetracks around here there will be 8.50,9.50,10.00 and 12.50 index classes.


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They have been doing that here. Sometimes only on TNT nights, sometimes in conjunction with the regular brackets.


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I really think there is a place for that kind of racing that would be enjoyable for racers and spectators but it would have to be old style in my opinion. By old style I mean foot brake, no electronics, no trans brakes or buttons and no digital systems with lap top adjustments to make the car run what you want

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I really think there is a place for that kind of racing that would be enjoyable for racers and spectators but it would have to be old style in my opinion. By old style I mean foot brake, no electronics, no trans brakes or buttons and no digital systems with lap top adjustments to make the car run what you want




I can understand the no electronics but I dont
think the trans brake is a issue, you still need to
hit the et for your class.... JMO

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it's still bracket racing if you can break out no matter how you do it.

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They already have those classes, S/C(8.90), S/G(9.90), S/ST(10.90). They have been around for a number of years. I dont see why those who wants heads up index racing dont try what is already out there.

BTW there is no rule that states you have to use a throttle stop or delay box. A good racer is a good racer period.


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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: Quicktree] #173385
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it's still bracket racing if you can break out no matter how you do it.




In that aspect it would be but if you didnt have a
ET limit then the guy with the most money wins, thats
why they started bracket racing in the first place.
But from my understanding most people dont like the
stagered start thing.... why is that car sitting there

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They already have those classes, S/C(8.90), S/G(9.90), S/ST(10.90). They have been around for a number of years. I dont see why those who wants heads up index racing dont try what is already out there.

BTW there is no rule that states you have to use a throttle stop or delay box. A good racer is a good racer period.




there is really no difference in the way you slow a car down to run an index. wether it is done by weight or electronics. there is only one true way to do heads up type racing

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it's still bracket racing if you can break out no matter how you do it.




In that aspect it would be but if you didnt have a
ET limit then the guy with the most money wins, thats
why they started bracket racing in the first place.
But from my understanding most people dont like the
stagered start thing.... why is that car sitting there





then you tell them it's because he has more money

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it's still bracket racing if you can break out no matter how you do it.




In that aspect it would be but if you didnt have a
ET limit then the guy with the most money wins, thats
why they started bracket racing in the first place.
But from my understanding most people dont like the
stagered start thing.... why is that car sitting there





then you tell them it's because he has more money




And in the 8.90, 9.90,10.90 classes people think he broke
coming off the line(using the stop), people just dont
like it

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AS I said you do not have to run a Throttle stop to race the .90 classes. In fact some folks are quite sucsessful in S/ST not using an electronically controlled t stop. When the classes first began cars were slowed down like any other index deal, weight, timing, mechanical stop...Like I said there is no rule stating you have to run a Throttle stop. In fact some may argue running lets say 9.90 at 131 might have an advantage over the guys running 9.90 at
175...Arguements are there for both ways.

These are in fact called "heads up index classes" Everyone leaves at the same time, just a matter of how one chooses to run the number. It will still be boring to spectators I suppose because it truly is not heads up fist guy there wins.


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NHRA has the nostalgia series that runs index: 7.60, 8.60, 9.60, 10.60 - no electronics allowed. There is also the West Coast Pro Gas Association that runs the same indexes.

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Any of the tracks I attend dont have anything like
these, its either box or no-box period.
I also know the the 8.90 type classes dont have
a T-stop ruling. To me I dont care if you add weight
to make the class just so its not the electronics
box and no down track stutter box. I'm just trying
to think out loud

Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing [Re: MR_P_BODY] #173392
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When Billy Meyer bought the IHRA, he had the foresight to realize that spectators did not like the staggered start of bracket racing. So in addition to Q/R S/R and H/R, Billy also tried a bunch of other index classes to get the bracket guys part of the National event scene, but the racers screamed bloody murder and it was not well recieved and was soon dropped. Another example of Billy Meyer being way ahead of his time. Lets face it, bracket racing is a major snore as a spectator sport and the staggered start is confusing to many. It would be helpful if the cars left together. The huge popularity of NSS, the 5.0 6.0 and 7.0 series in ORSCA, should be a clear sign that this method would be much more accepted by the spectators. Allow all the electronics, what does that matter, just keep a cap on the down track stutter and other things that make the cars look like they died for a couple seconds. It would also help if the bracket racers as a whole were not so against any kind of change. Sooner or later, they must realize that they alone won't keep the local track open and something will have to be done. Some of the best, full tree, bracket racers I have ever seen, have tried the Pro/Tree heads up index stuff at ORSCA and love it and now don't bracket race anymore. Here locally, we have 5k, 6.0 and 7.0 races on the pro tree all the time. Buy backs are allowed, it is basically a bracket race, except on a pro tree, with an index. The major difference between this and a regular bracket race....the stands are full.

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i don't race yet but when i go to spectate at the chrysler classics i really like the 10.0 race the best and i notice people really watch the whole run to the end . i don't mind watching the other races unless the et spread is way far apart.the most boring race i watched was a super comp dragster event.people around me was wondering why the dragsters appeared to be letting off the gas every pass


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You need to get some bets going in the stands, thats what brings in the people. At a couple local tracks we have guys that bet on every pass.Passes the time and is very enjoyable to watch some of these guys deal, they hoop and holler every time you come back down the return road, some times good sometimes bad. Bring in the gamblers and the sport will live. Its funny to see a guy with a fist full of cash stompin his feet after you make a pass for winning or loosing. I made it to the finals one time and lost and one of these guys came to me and said thanks for making him some money that night, he said I did a great job and that the car was bad azz. Made me feel welcome....Everyone bets on somthing.We bet just to run our cars, betting we are going to go rounds. The could call it "On Track Betting"....Phill

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I do not understand everyones objection to the .90 thing...Why is it so different than .00 or .60 or .50 SSDI. I can understand loosing the t stop stuff as it confuses theings but if it is all run on a common index who cares..

BTW if anyone really thinks this will put butts in the seats you are nuts.....I have preached a pinks all out style of racing which the crowds get.


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Index racing just did not catch on down here. We even had one track that a few people convinced them that index racing was the way to0 go. They decided to run index races every other weekend. That lasted about one month, the racers would not show up to index race. I certainly believe they went about it the wrong way but there is no index races now except possibly on or two index classes at special events. Even then the car count in those classes just isn't there.

Now I don't believe for a minute that the hoopla over "all out" is because the last 16 cars are running heads up. Its because of the spectacle and the fact that it will be on TV.

We definitwly need something to bring in the spectators and to keep racing viable however no one has come up with the answer as yet. At least I haven't seen it!!!

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