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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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IHRA tracks have the same rule too so its real hard to avoid.
Yep......pretty much every drag racing organization there is, follows SFI rules on safety. Any track affiliated with these orgs is SUPPOSED to enforce the rules. Now whether they do or not is subject to debate. So this is NOT just an NHRA problem, seeing as every major and minor org uses the same rules. So the choice is follow the rules, stay home, or go to a track with no tech or affiliations.
Also why I said the petition was useless..............because guys are petitioning the WRONG people, as this has NOTHING to do with NHRA.
Monte
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/22/15 02:03 AM
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You damn A well that the NHRA can accept or decline any or all or the SFI rules or suggest anything they want... they just go with the WHOLE SFI package.. I'm sure if SFI were to test 5 year old nasty looking belts they would come up with the SAME failure rate as nice looking new or 2 year old belts.. but companies pay money to be SFI certed 
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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I understand that.........but WHY is it that NHRA is the only villain here. Where is the "up in arms" and threats against AHRA, IHRA, PDRA, NMCA, NMRA, ARCA, NTTPA, World of Outlaws and virtually EVERY other sanctioning body in the world. NHRA is just the EASY target and everybody wants to pile on. You see many here railing against the NHRA, yet praising how great the IHRA is on other threads........same rules  And of course companies pay to have their belts approved by SFI, if they didn't, who is going to buy them, seeing they wouldn't be legal anywhere. Monte
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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I understand that.........but WHY is it that NHRA is the only villain here. Where is the "up in arms" and threats against AHRA, IHRA, PDRA, NMCA, NMRA, ARCA, NTTPA, World of Outlaws and virtually EVERY other sanctioning body in the world. NHRA is just the EASY target and everybody wants to pile on. You see many here railing against the NHRA, yet praising how great the IHRA is on other threads........same rules
And of course companies pay to have their belts approved by SFI, if they didn't, who is going to buy them, seeing they wouldn't be legal anywhere.
Monte
The IHRA doesnt hold to the 9.99 for the license..
but they pretty much else follow the NHRA rule book..
I would basically say they did that because it was there
and already in effect... and yes ANY of them could
and CAN say something else
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/22/15 01:32 PM
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It more or less comes down to who you are and if they want you to come to there Track and race.The small tracks have to operate like the Big Time NHRA Tracks.Think about it they are not gonna throw JFR or DSR out if they bend the rules a little!
If no racers show up at the track to race,just how long are they going to stay in business?People sit back and tell us Racers nobody cares what we think or do,well if all of us stick together and do not race at there Tracks unless they have a Big NHRA or IHRA race to keep them in business with 15-20 cars showing up each week to race they go belly up!It has already been proven the Tracks can not only stay in business with just racers and only a hand full of spectators but do just fine.If they pack the stands with spectators and have no racers,things do not go very well for them.
I can not speak for anyone other than myself,but I am only going to race at the Tracks were they come up and tell me they are Glad to see me and Happy to have me there.Not some where where they think they are doing me a favor by letting me be there and want me to jump through hoops to please them.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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01/22/15 03:59 PM
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One thing i fail to see anybody mention, and, i haven't verified it as fact, but wasn't the 2 year rule enacted due to NJ State Police, and, NJ Law requiring race cars to have belts current date within 2 years. Just my opinion, but, NHRA, couldn't just have NJ racers, replace belts, every 2 years, so just make it apply to all racers, so everybody is compliant. Example, if another racer, from another division, came to NJ, not knowing the rule, and, his division had a 5 year rule, he'd fail tech. So E-Town, and Atco, are the affected tracks. Just my  Dave ss/ea #1355 
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/22/15 04:11 PM
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You damn A well that the NHRA can accept or decline
any or all or the SFI rules or suggest anything they
want...
So.. does the Hellcat have an SFI balancer? Aftermarket axles? Trans shield? How about a rollbar?
Oh I see.
NHRA can do anything they want. If I build a low 11 second car, I'm required to have a rollbar but if I buy a Hellcat not so much.
What does factory cars have to do with ANYTHING........but to answer your question. You can do anything you want with your new Hellcat.......BUT, if you plan on running it at a sanctioned racetrack of ANY organization, it better meet safety standards.
You can go to the Suzuki dealer, plunk down your hard earned cash and ride that Hyabusa off the lot with no helmet, flip flops, shorts and no shirt. The salesman could care less about your dumb azz. Take it to the track and expect to ride it down and you will have a helmet, leathers and gloves or you DON'T go down........these are fairly simple concepts to grasp
Monte
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/22/15 04:33 PM
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You damn A well that the NHRA can accept or decline
any or all or the SFI rules or suggest anything they
want...
So.. does the Hellcat have an SFI balancer? Aftermarket axles? Trans shield? How about a rollbar?
Oh I see.
NHRA can do anything they want. If I build a low 11 second car, I'm required to have a rollbar but if I buy a Hellcat not so much.
What does factory cars have to do with ANYTHING........but to answer your question. You can do anything you want with your new Hellcat.......BUT, if you plan on running it at a sanctioned racetrack of ANY organization, it better meet safety standards.
You can go to the Suzuki dealer, plunk down your hard earned cash and ride that Hyabusa off the lot with no helmet, flip flops, shorts and no shirt. The salesman could care less about your dumb azz. Take it to the track and expect to ride it down and you will have a helmet, leathers and gloves or you DON'T go down........these are fairly simple concepts to grasp
Monte
I totally agree with the belt rule....but what is disconcerting is NHRA has ruled that SFI equipment in the newer models is not needed due to the safety features installed and in place from the Factories.....found this over on Class Racer...???? Just do a search over there.
Rickster
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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01/22/15 04:48 PM
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It more or less comes down to who you are and if they want you to come to there Track and race.The small tracks have to operate like the Big Time NHRA Tracks.Think about it they are not gonna throw JFR or DSR out if they bend the rules a little!
If no racers show up at the track to race,just how long are they going to stay in business?People sit back and tell us Racers nobody cares what we think or do,well if all of us stick together and do not race at there Tracks unless they have a Big NHRA or IHRA race to keep them in business with 15-20 cars showing up each week to race they go belly up!It has already been proven the Tracks can not only stay in business with just racers and only a hand full of spectators but do just fine.If they pack the stands with spectators and have no racers,things do not go very well for them.
I can not speak for anyone other than myself,but I am only going to race at the Tracks were they come up and tell me they are Glad to see me and Happy to have me there.Not some where where they think they are doing me a favor by letting me be there and want me to jump through hoops to please them.
So are you saying we should only race at some marginal, backwater track where we know the tech guys who let you slide? Just inferring that but that's kind of what it sounds like. Correct me if I am wrong.
Of course, NHRA cares about image and attendance at their events but not at the expense bodily harm or fatalities to their racers caused by compromised safety equipment.
Also, comparing weekend warrior/sportsman racers to an operation like Force or DSR is silly. Would you get into a Top Fuel car with out of date belts? I wouldn't. I bet they change harnesses and belts pretty often.
Regardless, those guys are subject to the rules just like everyone else. They can either comply or not but my guess is that it would be very costly for them NOT to be in compliance.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/22/15 05:45 PM
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You damn A well that the NHRA can accept or decline
any or all or the SFI rules or suggest anything they
want...
So.. does the Hellcat have an SFI balancer? Aftermarket axles? Trans shield? How about a rollbar?
Oh I see.
NHRA can do anything they want. If I build a low 11 second car, I'm required to have a rollbar but if I buy a Hellcat not so much.
What does factory cars have to do with ANYTHING........but to answer your question. You can do anything you want with your new Hellcat.......BUT, if you plan on running it at a sanctioned racetrack of ANY organization, it better meet safety standards.
You can go to the Suzuki dealer, plunk down your hard earned cash and ride that Hyabusa off the lot with no helmet, flip flops, shorts and no shirt. The salesman could care less about your dumb azz. Take it to the track and expect to ride it down and you will have a helmet, leathers and gloves or you DON'T go down........these are fairly simple concepts to grasp
Monte
we will not be happy till you sign the petition so stop fighting us 
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
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01/22/15 05:49 PM
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we will not be happy till you sign the petition so stop fighting us
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: RMCHRGR]
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01/22/15 05:52 PM
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It more or less comes down to who you are and if they want you to come to there Track and race.The small tracks have to operate like the Big Time NHRA Tracks.Think about it they are not gonna throw JFR or DSR out if they bend the rules a little!
If no racers show up at the track to race,just how long are they going to stay in business?People sit back and tell us Racers nobody cares what we think or do,well if all of us stick together and do not race at there Tracks unless they have a Big NHRA or IHRA race to keep them in business with 15-20 cars showing up each week to race they go belly up!It has already been proven the Tracks can not only stay in business with just racers and only a hand full of spectators but do just fine.If they pack the stands with spectators and have no racers,things do not go very well for them.
I can not speak for anyone other than myself,but I am only going to race at the Tracks were they come up and tell me they are Glad to see me and Happy to have me there.Not some where where they think they are doing me a favor by letting me be there and want me to jump through hoops to please them.
So are you saying we should only race at some marginal, backwater track where we know the tech guys who let you slide? Just inferring that but that's kind of what it sounds like. Correct me if I am wrong.
Of course, NHRA cares about image and attendance at their events but not at the expense bodily harm or fatalities to their racers caused by compromised safety equipment.
Also, comparing weekend warrior/sportsman racers to an operation like Force or DSR is silly. Would you get into a Top Fuel car with out of date belts? I wouldn't. I bet they change harnesses and belts pretty often.
Regardless, those guys are subject to the rules just like everyone else. They can either comply or not but my guess is that it would be very costly for them NOT to be in compliance.
Does this look like a marginal back water track to you?This is one of not just the Best Tracks in the South but the nation!Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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01/22/15 06:46 PM
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It more or less comes down to who you are and if they want you to come to there Track and race.The small tracks have to operate like the Big Time NHRA Tracks.Think about it they are not gonna throw JFR or DSR out if they bend the rules a little!
If no racers show up at the track to race,just how long are they going to stay in business?People sit back and tell us Racers nobody cares what we think or do,well if all of us stick together and do not race at there Tracks unless they have a Big NHRA or IHRA race to keep them in business with 15-20 cars showing up each week to race they go belly up!It has already been proven the Tracks can not only stay in business with just racers and only a hand full of spectators but do just fine.If they pack the stands with spectators and have no racers,things do not go very well for them.
I can not speak for anyone other than myself,but I am only going to race at the Tracks were they come up and tell me they are Glad to see me and Happy to have me there.Not some where where they think they are doing me a favor by letting me be there and want me to jump through hoops to please them.
So are you saying we should only race at some marginal, backwater track where we know the tech guys who let you slide? Just inferring that but that's kind of what it sounds like. Correct me if I am wrong.
Of course, NHRA cares about image and attendance at their events but not at the expense bodily harm or fatalities to their racers caused by compromised safety equipment.
Also, comparing weekend warrior/sportsman racers to an operation like Force or DSR is silly. Would you get into a Top Fuel car with out of date belts? I wouldn't. I bet they change harnesses and belts pretty often.
Regardless, those guys are subject to the rules just like everyone else. They can either comply or not but my guess is that it would be very costly for them NOT to be in compliance.
Does this look like a marginal back water track to you?This is one of not just the Best Tracks in the South but the nation!Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.
How could we tell ANYTHING about the track in question, from THAT tiny pic.........other than the fact that tech and safety take a back seat there, because they are allowing you to race a dragster with a t-shirt and no gloves. Or are you saying because of "who you are" they let you by with this.........Either way, sounds pretty "back water" to me............But I will take a shot......Montgomery?
And if that IS Montgomery......while a decent track, it is far from one of the nicest tracks in the nation. You need to get out more...............LOL!!!..........but Jackie DOES plant pretty flowers there..........LOL!!!
Monte
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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I will throw another example of NHRA and IHRA lack of rule consistencies. Here I am running 8's or 9's with my certified chassis, window net, fire suit, neck collar, fire proof shoes, yada, yada, yada. Now we enter our Gamblers race at both NHRA and IHRA tracks and race against motorcycles. Bike against bike has a fair chance at survival, car against bike and something goes wrong how do you think that spells out. NOT SO GOOD FOR THE BIKER. But it goes on year after year at the same tracks were God forbid our seat belts are expired. Were are the insurance companies on this policy. 
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