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How do I fix this? *Updated* #1724138 01/07/15 07:49 PM 01/07/15 07:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada D D149 OP member
D149 OP member D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada	1968 Valiant 273. Power steering. One of the bolts that holds the steering box in place looks to have been cross threaded before I got the car. It has broken the welded "nut" away from the K-frame. I had to cut the head of the bolt off with the torch to get the box out. Can this be fixed? See pics. Thanks Dave 8388574-IMG_1566(1024x768).jpg (260 downloads) Last edited by D149; 01/08/15 07:09 PM. 1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd 1969 Road Runner 383 4spd 1969 Barracuda 318 auto 1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd 1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl 1988 Caravelle 318 Auto 1999 Dakota R/T 2000 Viper GTS 2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd 2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: D149] #1724139 01/07/15 07:50 PM 01/07/15 07:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada D D149 OP member
D149 OP member D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada	Pic 2 8388575-IMG_1564(1024x768).jpg (270 downloads) 1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd 1969 Road Runner 383 4spd 1969 Barracuda 318 auto 1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd 1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl 1988 Caravelle 318 Auto 1999 Dakota R/T 2000 Viper GTS 2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd 2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: D149] #1724140 01/07/15 08:06 PM 01/07/15 08:06 PM
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VincentVega super stock V Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast	Is the back side of the bracket blind? If not, I would just through-bolt it with Grade 8 hardware. Looking for 1975 through 1978 B body 4 door sedan sheet metal or parts cars - monaco, fury, coronet. Please let me know

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: VincentVega] #1724141 01/07/15 08:11 PM 01/07/15 08:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada D D149 OP member
D149 OP member D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada	Yes , that is a blind hole. I am thinking about cutting the steering box mount above that bolt hole so I can weld a new nut in, then weld the metal back on to put it back the way it was. Hoping it will be strong enough. 1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd 1969 Road Runner 383 4spd 1969 Barracuda 318 auto 1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd 1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl 1988 Caravelle 318 Auto 1999 Dakota R/T 2000 Viper GTS 2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd 2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: D149] #1724142 01/07/15 08:15 PM 01/07/15 08:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 685 pennsylvania poboyengineering mopar
poboyengineering mopar Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 685 pennsylvania	The way those mounts move around in use it seems like the easiest way would be to cut the factory welds and do the repair in a vise. Then when it goes back on, gusset the heck out of it. Check the handling section here for the particulars. It may be ugly, but it sure is slow. Girls comb their hair in rear view mirrors and the boys try to look so hard....

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: poboyengineering] #1724143 01/07/15 08:24 PM 01/07/15 08:24 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,853 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,853 Ontario, Canada	Blow the rest of the bolt off with a torch. Find the correct size hex nut. Drill the existing hole large enough to fit the hex nut. use a long bolt in the nut so you can hold it in place in the hole - tack it in place then weld it completely. Grind it flush. DONE.

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: Stanton] #1724144 01/07/15 08:30 PM 01/07/15 08:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: Blow the rest of the bolt off with a torch. Find the correct size hex nut. Drill the existing hole large enough to fit the hex nut. use a long bolt in the nut so you can hold it in place in the hole - tack it in place then weld it completely. Grind it flush. DONE. not at all skilled in welding but this is what I would ask a welder to do

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: Stanton] #1724145 01/07/15 09:02 PM 01/07/15 09:02 PM
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D149 OP member D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada	All good ideas. I have no problem with welding. Stanton. The problem with doing it that way, is I won't be able to get the rest of the bolt and old nut out of the blind hole. The original "nuts" are square and would require a large hole to get it out. The hole would be much larger than a new hex nut. 1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd 1969 Road Runner 383 4spd 1969 Barracuda 318 auto 1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd 1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl 1988 Caravelle 318 Auto 1999 Dakota R/T 2000 Viper GTS 2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd 2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: D149] #1724146 01/07/15 09:18 PM 01/07/15 09:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,249 North Carolina 4 469runner pro stock
469runner pro stock 4 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,249 North Carolina	Possible to drill 1/4" or so holes around perimeter of square nut and then plug weld? That broken off bolt will still need to be gotten out though. Failing that, I would go in from other side as mentioned, repair through access hole, then close hole.

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: D149] #1724147 01/07/15 10:01 PM 01/07/15 10:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 462 santa anna, Tx. C charles6970 mopar
charles6970 mopar C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 462 santa anna, Tx.	super easy fix...

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: charles6970] #1724148 01/07/15 10:12 PM 01/07/15 10:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada D D149 OP member
D149 OP member D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada	The bolt is cross threaded in the nut. SO, I have to get the nut out. super easy fix... Care to elaborate? 1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd 1969 Road Runner 383 4spd 1969 Barracuda 318 auto 1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd 1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl 1988 Caravelle 318 Auto 1999 Dakota R/T 2000 Viper GTS 2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd 2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: D149] #1724149 01/07/15 10:24 PM 01/07/15 10:24 PM
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skicker "The Champ" Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,100 Western Md.	Quote: I am thinking about cutting the steering box mount above that bolt hole so I can weld a new nut in, then weld the metal back on to put it back the way it was. Hoping it will be strong enough. That is what I would do... Pick up another square nut at the hardware store. Don't get one that has a zinc coating applied as that will lead to more problems. Cut a section out of the top of the K frame big enough to work through. Before you weld the the piece you cut out back in mock up the steering box. Tighten everything down and weld the nut in place. Then weld the plate back in and grind. It would be undetectable if welded and ground correctly. ...FAFO...

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: charles6970] #1724150 01/08/15 01:34 AM 01/08/15 01:34 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,853 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,853 Ontario, Canada	Quote: super easy fix... Ya gotta love the morons that post these replies. Yeah, "super easy fix" ... but its a secret !!!

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: Stanton] #1724151 01/08/15 01:58 AM 01/08/15 01:58 AM
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HemiSportFury mopar Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 528 SW CO	I would use a Helicoil. '64 Sport Fury, 528 Hemi, FiTech EFI, 4-speed, 4.10 Dana 60 '57 Belvedere 2dr sedan, current project in process '19 Cherokee Trail Hawk Elite '03 Ram 2500 CTD HO, 6-speed 214,000 miles and still going strong

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: HemiSportFury] #1724152 01/08/15 02:11 AM 01/08/15 02:11 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,853 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,853 Ontario, Canada	Does it really matter if you leave the remnants of the old nut and bolt in the bracket? Won't do any harm !!

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: Stanton] #1724153 01/08/15 02:14 AM 01/08/15 02:14 AM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,853 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,853 Ontario, Canada	Helicoil is out of the question - nothing to put it in, the original nut is broken loose. Square nuts are hard to find - with a fine thread ... impossible.

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: Stanton] #1724154 01/08/15 02:24 AM 01/08/15 02:24 AM
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demon440 pro stock D Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,414 Stow ,Ohio	I would cut the blind side of that bracket off with a cut off tool, then do the repair. Then weld the cut out section back on.

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: D149] #1724155 01/08/15 02:35 AM 01/08/15 02:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,490 smyrna,tn D draginmopars pro stock
draginmopars pro stock D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,490 smyrna,tn	Quote: Pic 2 is the lower right side cracked? if so, can you find another k member Ha-Ha Racin Havin Fun 101 Howard 68 "Cummins" Satellite 70 W-2 449 "More Door" Dart 70 340 Dart Swinger, 4spd 71 360 Dart Swinger 72 540/ 518 Dart Swinger 73 airwolf 446/a-500 Cuda 73 "Cummins" Crew cab-car hauler 84 446 Dodge Rampage (tube chassis) 92 CTD 11' flat bed 92 CTD club cab 07 Dodge Caliber

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: draginmopars] #1724156 01/08/15 03:00 AM 01/08/15 03:00 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA	Pull the k-member (it's a perfect time to get it clean - if you were close to me I'd put it in my hot tank for you). Cut the bracket open and replace the nut. It may seem extreme to pull the k-member, but the metal needs to be clean for the weld and the welding will be much easier up on a bench.

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1724157 01/08/15 09:53 AM 01/08/15 09:53 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada D D149 OP member
D149 OP member D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 105 Ontario, Canada	I want to avoid pulling the K-frame if possible so I don't have to get an alignment after the work is done. I will get it all cleaned up today and make sure there are no cracked welds on the steering box mount. If there is, I will try to fix them on the car too. In the end, if the K-frame has to come out, so be it. Thanks for all the help. I will update on how things go. 1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd 1969 Road Runner 383 4spd 1969 Barracuda 318 auto 1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd 1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl 1988 Caravelle 318 Auto 1999 Dakota R/T 2000 Viper GTS 2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd 2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)

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