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1968 Valiant 273. Power steering.
One of the bolts that holds the steering box in place looks to have been cross threaded before I got the car. It has broken the welded "nut" away from the K-frame. I had to cut the head of the bolt off with the torch to get the box out.

Can this be fixed? See pics.
Thanks
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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Is the back side of the bracket blind? If not, I would just through-bolt it with Grade 8 hardware.


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Yes , that is a blind hole.

I am thinking about cutting the steering box mount above that bolt hole so I can weld a new nut in, then weld the metal back on to put it back the way it was. Hoping it will be strong enough.


1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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The way those mounts move around in use it seems like the easiest way would be to cut the factory welds and do the repair in a vise. Then when it goes back on, gusset the heck out of it. Check the handling section here for the particulars.


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Blow the rest of the bolt off with a torch. Find the correct size hex nut. Drill the existing hole large enough to fit the hex nut. use a long bolt in the nut so you can hold it in place in the hole - tack it in place then weld it completely. Grind it flush. DONE.

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Blow the rest of the bolt off with a torch. Find the correct size hex nut. Drill the existing hole large enough to fit the hex nut. use a long bolt in the nut so you can hold it in place in the hole - tack it in place then weld it completely. Grind it flush. DONE.




not at all skilled in welding but this is what I would ask a welder to do

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All good ideas.

I have no problem with welding.

Stanton. The problem with doing it that way, is I won't be able to get the rest of the bolt and old nut out of the blind hole. The original "nuts" are square and would require a large hole to get it out. The hole would be much larger than a new hex nut.


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1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Possible to drill 1/4" or so holes around perimeter of square nut and then plug weld? That broken off bolt will still need to be gotten out though. Failing that, I would go in from other side as mentioned, repair through access hole, then close hole.

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super easy fix...

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The bolt is cross threaded in the nut. SO, I have to get the nut out.


super easy fix... Care to elaborate?


1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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I am thinking about cutting the steering box mount above that bolt hole so I can weld a new nut in, then weld the metal back on to put it back the way it was. Hoping it will be strong enough.




That is what I would do...
Pick up another square nut at the hardware store. Don't get one that has a zinc coating applied as that will lead to more problems. Cut a section out of the top of the K frame big enough to work through. Before you weld the the piece you cut out back in mock up the steering box. Tighten everything down and weld the nut in place. Then weld the plate back in and grind. It would be undetectable if welded and ground correctly.


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super easy fix...




Ya gotta love the morons that post these replies. Yeah, "super easy fix" ... but its a secret !!!

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I would use a Helicoil.


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Does it really matter if you leave the remnants of the old nut and bolt in the bracket? Won't do any harm !!

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Helicoil is out of the question - nothing to put it in, the original nut is broken loose.

Square nuts are hard to find - with a fine thread ... impossible.

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I would cut the blind side of that bracket
off with a cut off tool, then do the repair.
Then weld the cut out section back on.

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is the lower right side cracked?

if so, can you find another k member


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Pull the k-member (it's a perfect time to get it clean - if you were close to me I'd put it in my hot tank for you). Cut the bracket open and replace the nut. It may seem extreme to pull the k-member, but the metal needs to be clean for the weld and the welding will be much easier up on a bench.

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I want to avoid pulling the K-frame if possible so I don't have to get an alignment after the work is done.

I will get it all cleaned up today and make sure there are no cracked welds on the steering box mount. If there is, I will try to fix them on the car too.

In the end, if the K-frame has to come out, so be it.

Thanks for all the help. I will update on how things go.



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1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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I want to avoid pulling the K-frame if possible so I don't have to get an alignment after the work is done.




just take the ride height measurement so you know where to set it when done.. should be able to pull the k-member without messing with any alignment adjustments.

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Square nuts are hard to find - with a fine thread ... impossible.




What do you need a fine thread for? Square nuts can be picked up at Lowe's. They're not rare or hard to find by any means.


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I decided to cut the steering box mount while keeping the K-frame on the car. The following pics are the repair. Sorry for the multiple posts, but I don't know how to post more than 1 pic per post.

1st. Cleaned up.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Cut the top off.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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The remnants of the original bolt.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Cleaned up, ready to weld a new nut on.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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New nut held in place. It would have been nice to use the steering box to ensure the nut was in the right place, but then it would have been in the way for welding.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Tacked in place so I could test fit the box.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Test fit of box. All 3 bolts went in no problem.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Finished welding the nut. I couldn't weld all the way around the nut, but almost. I think it should be strong enough.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Original piece of metal ready to be welded back on.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Welding done.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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All finished. Eastwood internal frame coating on the inside to protect it, and some paint on the outside. Thanks for everyones suggestions. If this was a high performance car, I would have removed the K-frame and removed the box mount from it to repair it. However, this is a bone stock 4 door Valiant. I think this repair will be plenty strong.

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1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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Great work! Just coat your new bolts in some heavy anti-seize or even dip 'em in gear oil. Never have that happen again!


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very nice work!!

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agreed! your welds look really nice, you should post them in the latest weld thread!

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Good Job!

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That's exactly how i would have done it! Nice...


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Nice work and nice pictorial.

Re: How do I fix this? [Re: D149] #1724178
01/09/15 01:41 PM
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Vesper,Wisconsin U.S.A
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DusterJeff Offline
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Atta boy...Nice job.....


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Re: How do I fix this? [Re: DusterJeff] #1724179
01/09/15 01:53 PM
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Holland MI Ottawa
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Holland MI Ottawa
Now thats a nice repair!


Keep old mopars alive.
Re: How do I fix this? [Re: 2boltmain] #1724180
01/09/15 02:42 PM
01/09/15 02:42 PM
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Ontario, Canada
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D149 Offline OP
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Ontario, Canada
Thanks guys!

Here's the car. It is getting a 4 speed OD put in this winter. It's just a nice summer driver.


1968 Valiant Signet 4dr. 273 4spd
1969 Road Runner 383 4spd
1969 Barracuda 318 auto
1970 Dart Swinger 340 4spd
1975 Cordoba 400-4bbl
1988 Caravelle 318 Auto
1999 Dakota R/T
2000 Viper GTS
2001 Ram 2500 Diesel 6spd
2018 Dodge Challenger GT (Winter beater!)
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