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Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: Mattax] #1717584
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Yea the MSD type ign which is the multi-spark up to a certain rpm normally has both coil pos and neg hooked to the MSD control box as it controls the coil primary and can induce like 300 volts into the coil primary and most MSD type ign are designed not to use a ballast as they control the coil primary with their control box. Ron

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Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: cjskotni] #1717585
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Yes, you should run a ballast with the OEM coil as well as most aftermarket coils. If you don't run it, the life of the coil will be greatly reduced as it will run much hotter and with nothing to limit current going to it.

FWIW, I tried to run my MSD Blaster II coil (Mopar chrome box ECU) with no ballast and it was searing hot after 5 minutes. I went to a .25 ohm ballast which dropped the voltage to the coil to 7-8V which kept it much cooler and with no discernable drop in output to the plugs (40-45kV).

Use the ballast.




You have other issues. Ecu should not be getting hot. Also my coil does not run hot.

Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: StrkrDart69] #1717586
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Chrysler tech when the electronic ignitions first came out
http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/292/page05.htm

Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: StrkrDart69] #1717587
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Yes, you should run a ballast with the OEM coil as well as most aftermarket coils. If you don't run it, the life of the coil will be greatly reduced as it will run much hotter and with nothing to limit current going to it.

FWIW, I tried to run my MSD Blaster II coil (Mopar chrome box ECU) with no ballast and it was searing hot after 5 minutes. I went to a .25 ohm ballast which dropped the voltage to the coil to 7-8V which kept it much cooler and with no discernable drop in output to the plugs (40-45kV).

Use the ballast.




You have other issues. Ecu should not be getting hot. Also my coil does not run hot.




Yeah, the problem is lack of a ballast resistor.

To quote MSD

Most late model vehicles with electronic ignitions do not require a ballast resistor, check your ignition and manufacturers specifications to determine if a ballast is required in your application.

Ford and GM put a resistance wire in the loom in lieu of a ballast resistor, Mopar uses a ballast. Dunno what AMC did. So on a GM and Ford you would not need a ballast as you would be doubling up, on a Mopar you do.


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Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: Supercuda] #1717588
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Go ahead and keep using a ballast resistor.

Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: goldduster318] #1717589
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Its protecting only the coil. If you check the wiring diagram, the ECU gets full battery voltage from the vehicle harness.





Depends upon the year...
Certain Mopars used a dual element ballast resistor, this connected to pin 5 of the ECU, protecting it. For early ECU systems, the Mopar engineers were concerned about max voltage to the ECU as to protect its power transistor..

Just my $0.02...

Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: StrkrDart69] #1717590
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Go ahead and keep using a ballast resistor.




You wouldn't happen to be an electrician now would you?


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Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: Supercuda] #1717591
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Go ahead and keep using a ballast resistor.




You wouldn't happen to be an electrician now would you?



No I am a yawner.

Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: StrkrDart69] #1717592
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The 72 electronic ign. intro book was good reading always good to refresh your self & picked up some little tidbits of info.

Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: StrkrDart69] #1717593
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Yes, you should run a ballast with the OEM coil as well as most aftermarket coils. If you don't run it, the life of the coil will be greatly reduced as it will run much hotter and with nothing to limit current going to it.

FWIW, I tried to run my MSD Blaster II coil (Mopar chrome box ECU) with no ballast and it was searing hot after 5 minutes. I went to a .25 ohm ballast which dropped the voltage to the coil to 7-8V which kept it much cooler and with no discernable drop in output to the plugs (40-45kV).

Use the ballast.




You have other issues. Ecu should not be getting hot. Also my coil does not run hot.




My coil was running hot, not the ECU.

Re: Ballast Resistor Yes or No? [Re: StrkrDart69] #1717594
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Go ahead and keep using a ballast resistor.




You wouldn't happen to be an electrician now would you?



No I am a yawner.




Yes, it's things like your statements that make me yawn. Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!


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