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BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? #17140
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The Edelbrock kit is cool cause it's ALL THERE. They have a 550HP kit which should be fine. Anyone try one?

I could flip my 850 Demon Vac, Victor intake, Holley Street Avenger and 3.54 B body Dana and darn near afford one!

There was just a 450HP 440 Edelbrock EFI on Ebay for $1600 instead of $2700 list.

Read a Mopar mag thaty said a Megasquirt cost them about $1500 and that was with a $200 throttle body - think a 4bbl throttle body would be $500+ So even an inexpensive system would add up.

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I've got a distributorless EFI system on the hot rod now.
It's much easier to live with than the old blow through carb setup I had.
I haven't had much tuning time but it didn't take long to get it running. The car has already logged several hundred miles since the install.


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I could flip my 850 Demon Vac, Victor intake, Holley Street Avenger and 3.54 B body Dana and darn near afford one!




Jim you stop just short of wife,kids and dog on that list


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any kit thats worth while wether it be an inexpensive one or a high end one will only be relatively inexpensive if you aren't looking for HP. running about 500-550 HP will cost you no matter how you do it.

the edelbrock kits are okay if you can stay within their programmed parameters. But since you like changing things so much i would recommend either the megasquirt or accel DFI or FAST EFI. those kits allow future expandability that you really won't see with the edelbrock.

i'm in for about $1500 total on my megasquirt setup. the key is not rushing and finding the parts used or on ebay. once it comes to EFI all makes of parts are fair game so theres plenty of aftermarket available.

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I have a BDS/FAST system, but it cost more than the eddy system.

See pic of the intake.

1931551-hemi966.jpg (381 downloads)

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Dragula] #17145
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BDS/FAST also I`ll never have a carb on anything again....EVER !



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My friend, who will be in Car Craft Real Street Eliminator has had the edelbrock system on his sb chevy for many years. Its a 600+ hp 434 inch 18 degree headed monster. He used larger injectors and the system works excellent.

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BDS/FAST also I`ll never have a carb on anything again....EVER !






whats a hat like that go for?

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whats a hat like that go for?




ALOT!


Seriously, I haven`t looked for a while, but I think a complete system now from BDS is a tad north of $6800 ...add to that fuel lines, fittings, and just the odds and ends stuff...you`ll be "up there"

I got lucky and found 95% of my hardware at a swap meet...$1500..Hat, injector plate,injectors, hard lines, sensors, pumps, filters, regulator, partial harness, etc.
Mine had the old Accel "power processor" which is fuel only, I bought a used Gen 6 for 750 and made my own harness. Have since switched to a FAST ECU due to wanting a wideband and the fact that the ol` gen 6`s logging for all pratical purposes might as well be non existant..No complaints on the Gen 6 other than that, I ran it for a couple of years with no issues....If the Cheap hand held widebands had been available then, I most likely wouldn`t have switched.


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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Blown71X] #17149
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The hats are $550 for the standard bugcatcher size. Currently with everyone switching to XFI, there are many FAST systems for sale on the bag.

I won't ever go back......


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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It will work if you have a RB ONLY!...I bought the system on the word of one of their "techs" that Edelbrock would soon release an intake manifold which would allow me to fit the system on my 451 stroker low deck ...Turns out they decided NOT to pursue the manifold, and now I'm in the throes of modding the set up to work . At the end of the day, I would have been much better to start from scratch . The Edelbrock people have been most UN-helpful, and I will avoid their products from now on. It's a longer story than all that, but I ain't gonna whine about it...Just get on with bidness

Oh well, live and learn.

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Here's a vid of the awesome throttle response...

1933661-Movie_0002.wmv (242 downloads)

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Jerry] #17152
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any kit thats worth while wether it be an inexpensive one or a high end one will only be relatively inexpensive if you aren't looking for HP. running about 500-550 HP will cost you no matter how you do it.

the edelbrock kits are okay if you can stay within their programmed parameters. But since you like changing things so much i would recommend either the megasquirt or accel DFI or FAST EFI. those kits allow future expandability that you really won't see with the edelbrock.

i'm in for about $1500 total on my megasquirt setup. the key is not rushing and finding the parts used or on ebay. once it comes to EFI all makes of parts are fair game so theres plenty of aftermarket available.




if you wanted to go a more "factory" route, you could look at adapting the GM 454 vortec EFI, or use a speed density tpi computer to run things....if you go TPI, buy your own chip burner.

I'd look at the holley commander 950 controller, too...they have a "universal" MPI kit for ~$1500...think you still need a fuel pump, mod the manifold, and injectors. for a distributor, use a lean burn 400 dist. running a GM HEI module, then the computer will control the timing.


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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: 71TA] #17153
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I have the Holley Commander 950 system on a street/strip 440 in my Barracuda. The drivability is great. I can start it on a cool morning and it just idles. I take my son to daycare and go to work with it about three days a week. I also race it about five times a years at the local dragstrip.
I have $2500 in the complete system, that includes every hose clamp.
I would encourage anyone who drives their car to try EFI.

1934518-may2004008.jpg (284 downloads)

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I always toy with the idea of EFI. I am curious to know if anybody has adapted the Ford EEC-IV system out of a 5.0L Mustang and put it on a Mopar. Its a mass airflow system so you would have to install an intake duct to go with the MAF sensor or you could hide a MAF under the aircleaner.

Its a popular system and highly upgradable. Mustang guys have it all scienced out.


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the only problem with the ford system is that you need to have chips burned for it. with the aftermarket systems they are laptop programmable. my buddy runs fords and he's burned chips for $150 each. it will get expensive after a while. the ford shops know what ford engines need so its easy for them to program, good luck getting them to know mopar stuff. you might need to get a bunch of chips burned and that will cost as much as an aftermarket setup.

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Ah OK, never researched it that much but I though that there were piggyback programmers available to alter fuel maps. A product called the Tweecer comes to mind.


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there are tweeker programs that will piggy back but they never fully reprogram the chip, plus i don't think timing can be altered through those. i know there is software out there for the LT1 and LS! engines. i'll have to check with my buddy and get get back to you about the ford stuff. there was an article that someone did this on a mopar small block but i don't know how it would fare on a big block. plus the larger MAF sensors are pretty expensive.

Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Jerry] #17158
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I run the FAST ECU as well. As much as I liked my 1150 Dom. carb, The FAST is faster so I'm not going back either

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It will work if you have a RB ONLY!...I bought the system on the word of one of their "techs" that Edelbrock would soon release an intake manifold which would allow me to fit the system on my 451 stroker low deck ...Turns out they decided NOT to pursue the manifold, and now I'm in the throes of modding the set up to work . At the end of the day, I would have been much better to start from scratch . The Edelbrock people have been most UN-helpful, and I will avoid their products from now on. It's a longer story than all that, but I ain't gonna whine about it...Just get on with bidness

Oh well, live and learn.




Have you thought about a set of stage VI heads?

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I had the Ford system all laid out but never tried to install one. The trick piece was getting the distributor converted.
I shared the info quite some time ago with one of the guys here. He went through the install but I haven't heard from him in a little while.

With the effort and expense of gathering parts and doing the install, you might as well get a complete aftermarket system.
You're not really going to save any cash by piecing something together.


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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.

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The EFI guy at Edelbrock said they are going to do a low deck Mopar "Pro Tuner" EFI setup next year.

Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: patrick] #17163
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any kit thats worth while wether it be an inexpensive one or a high end one will only be relatively inexpensive if you aren't looking for HP. running about 500-550 HP will cost you no matter how you do it.

the edelbrock kits are okay if you can stay within their programmed parameters. But since you like changing things so much i would recommend either the megasquirt or accel DFI or FAST EFI. those kits allow future expandability that you really won't see with the edelbrock.

i'm in for about $1500 total on my megasquirt setup. the key is not rushing and finding the parts used or on ebay. once it comes to EFI all makes of parts are fair game so theres plenty of aftermarket available.




if you wanted to go a more "factory" route, you could look at adapting the GM 454 vortec EFI, or use a speed density tpi computer to run things....if you go TPI, buy your own chip burner.

I'd look at the holley commander 950 controller, too...they have a "universal" MPI kit for ~$1500...think you still need a fuel pump, mod the manifold, and injectors. for a distributor, use a lean burn 400 dist. running a GM HEI module, then the computer will control the timing.




I am working on the Holley Commander 950 setup right now. The pump is included, and there is no need to modify the manifold for a TB. Everything bolts up, and I am going to use a Rance distributor for my Hall effect with my MSD. This will allow me to control the timing from the computer. I can plug in, make my changes, then hit the road without ever popping the hood. You will need to run a second line for fuel/return line.


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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.




Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Mad_Scientist] #17165
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re: the commander 950

yep, if you go with the TBI setup, no manifold mod needed. for MPFI, you'll need to add injector bungs.


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any kit thats worth while wether it be an inexpensive one or a high end one will only be relatively inexpensive if you aren't looking for HP. running about 500-550 HP will cost you no matter how you do it.

the edelbrock kits are okay if you can stay within their programmed parameters. But since you like changing things so much i would recommend either the megasquirt or accel DFI or FAST EFI. those kits allow future expandability that you really won't see with the edelbrock.

i'm in for about $1500 total on my megasquirt setup. the key is not rushing and finding the parts used or on ebay. once it comes to EFI all makes of parts are fair game so theres plenty of aftermarket available.




if you wanted to go a more "factory" route, you could look at adapting the GM 454 vortec EFI, or use a speed density tpi computer to run things....if you go TPI, buy your own chip burner.

I'd look at the holley commander 950 controller, too...they have a "universal" MPI kit for ~$1500...think you still need a fuel pump, mod the manifold, and injectors. for a distributor, use a lean burn 400 dist. running a GM HEI module, then the computer will control the timing.




Explain this distributor. I have the Holley TBI kit, and I was looking for a way to have it utilize the ignition control.

Thanks

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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.




Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.





What "wiring harness issue" is THAT??!?!

Do you get paid to slag Accel or what?


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Have you thought about a set of stage VI heads?






Talk about a win-win... those have always been on my list of "must have" items when I do a low-deck stroker. If there was ever ANYTHING Ma Mopar got RIGHT, it was the decision to put the ports high enough to bolt up an RB manifold!

Clair

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I did the whole mustang conversion on a stroked sb. it worked pretty well, it had its limits but you can get those piggy backs like the tweecer that can change up the computer. It does very well on engines that are not extremely radical. just read the mustang sites to learn more about it. its very good for what it is but it is also old technology. i am doing another now with the accel gen 7, i dont see how it would have any wiring harness issues as it is for the most part contained within itself. We have done many of these with no problems. The ford conversion was quite expensive as i didnt use as much junk yard stuff as i could have used. it was also done having to gather all the parts needed. I dont like cutting corners on my builds. The dist. was a challange but ive got a great machine shop to work with and they fixed me up. Bottom line for me is to not cut corners because you will end up with inferior parts that end up not doing what you want them to do. Save up and do it right the first time.

Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: 71TA] #17172
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I ran in to these guys when I was playing around with an old turbo Audi. They make 8 cylinder stuff now. Most important things are that the owner, Jahvad, won't go cold on you once you bought the stuff; and, there is a website for users: Motorgeeks.com.

Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Faust] #17173
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like i've said a million times there are tons of megasquirt users out there and the message boards have all the fixes you will ever need. other than building it yourself its really simple to setup and use. and if you don't want to build it yourself there are plenty available on ebay that are certified to work and people even sell wiring harnesses for them

Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Dragula] #17174
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Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.





HUH ?
Where in the world have you heard that?


The only...and I mean ONLY harness issues I`ve ever seen have been from people attempting to modify them and not have a clue what they are doing.
And i`ve done 1 or 2



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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.




Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.





I'm pretty good with wiring and auto electronic so I'm not worried at all. In fact at some point I may try to run a 440 with a factory Magnum EFI controller, just for kicks.

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I love this thread I have been curious about both EFI and turbocharging for quite some time now, but have found very little info for 440 Mopars.

I am curious to hear what kind of performance gains you EFI users are making over your stock setup. I live at 8,000 feet and as you might imagine, a stock or near stock 440 doesn't make the same kind of power up here as it would at sea level. I want my Charger to stay fully streetable, but I definitely want more power.

I have considered a blower, but I don't want to cut my hood. Turbos fascinate me, but I am concerned about getting all the custom work done. I have thought about doing a stroker engine, but am concerned about streetability, longevity and cost.

Any advice on what might be the best bang for the buck? I am running 3:23 gears and would be pleased with a mid 13 to high 12 second car. Is EFI worth the investment?

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EfI is worth the investment in terms of driveability and not performance gains. EFI and a carb should perform equally well. you should look into a centrifugal supercharger that way you don't have to cut the hood and don't have to worry about all the plumbing on turbos

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Hey Jerry, bring us up to date on the Megasquirt. You said wait for version 3.0 or something. Whats the new version offer?

I'm interested and may work on this over the winter.

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Here are the megasquirt updates, you can use the version 2.2 or the version 3 boasrd but you definitely want to run MSII. MSI will work but there aren't as many features. mind you i've setup plenty of MSI boards and they all run fine and very successfully.


24 MHz HCS12 processor (C64 version),
Fuel control to 1 µsec (100 times more resolution than MegaSquirt),
Ignition control (full spark timing advance control, dwell control, etc) for one coil/distributor (7 pin HEI for example) and Ford's EDIS systems,
On-board stepper motor driver for IAC stepper control (this requires a few jumpers to be added on the MegaSquirt PCB to connect the socket jumpers to the DB37 connector),
Ford PWM idle valve support,
Built-in rev limiter, either 'fuel cut' or 'spark retard',
All tables are now 12×12 in size,
WBO2 AFR target table (in AFR units),
Independent dual-tables for VE and AFR target,
EGO feedback in wide-band mode is proportional to the difference between the measured AFR and the target AFR, the bigger the difference, the bigger the feedback step,
Spark advance table can have different rpm and kpa bins than VE and AFR tables,
115,200 baud serial interface with MegaTune2.25+,
CANbus networking for 'inter-board' communications with add-on modules like transmission controllers, sequential injection drivers, etc.,
Barometric correction amount and direction configurable in software, and provisions for:
barometric correction based on initial MAP reading,
independent 2nd barometric MAP sensor for continuous real-time baro correction, or
no baro correction.
TPS values for open loop and flood clear mode are user configurable,
MAP based open loop can be set as well as TPS,
Both TPS and MAP based accel enrichment is built into the code, you can configure the ratio of each,
Blended Alpha-N and speed density is an option,
2 spare I/O lines for custom controls. (This is in addition to 4 lines for Idle stepper control if you don't need this, or the Fast idle solenoid then becomes a spare if you do use a stepper motor.)

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EfI is worth the investment in terms of driveability and not performance gains. EFI and a carb should perform equally well. you should look into a centrifugal supercharger that way you don't have to cut the hood and don't have to worry about all the plumbing on turbos





Anyone have any specific recommendations for centrifugal superchargers?

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Jerry, help me out here if you can, but what would I be looking at if I wanted to get the full MS2 setup, and the Megajolt Lite Jr system in term sof cash, assembled, and where can I get it?

Thanks.

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ATI procharger

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Explain this distributor. I have the Holley TBI kit, and I was looking for a way to have it utilize the ignition control.

Thanks




I'll post the link I have saved at work that tells how to wire up a GM HEI module to a mopar dizzy, in place of the mopar orange box. also, to use the EFI timing, you'll have to get a distributor with no vaccuum or mechanical advance systems. easiest way? find a lean burn distributor off of a 5th ave (if small block) or late 70's 400 cordoba (if big block).


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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.




Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.





I'm pretty good with wiring and auto electronic so I'm not worried at all. In fact at some point I may try to run a 440 with a factory Magnum EFI controller, just for kicks.




I'd advise against it just because the mopar 'puters haven't been hacked very well, or the information on hacking/reprogramming them isn't nearly as "freeware" as the hacking of the GM (tbi, tpi, LT1) computers.


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the MSII computer with V3 board can be had on ebay for about $340. i think you will still need to build a wiring harness. with the new MSII it does ignition control and you don't need megajolt lite. you can use the ford edis setup to run wasted spark or you can use an MSD ignition or one of the other and run it through your distributor. you just have to lock out your distributor. i won't be available to build and test computers until october at the earliest, but i can do them as well and i can mod an intake manifold for you and setup you up with rails etc.

PM me for details.

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Yanno... I bought an Electromotive TEC II computer with distributorless ignition on eBay for $500. It's complete and doesn't need any kind of assembly.
Looking at the MS systems, I don't see any real reason to go that route when it's no more expensive than other systems that offer more features/functions.


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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.




Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.





I'm pretty good with wiring and auto electronic so I'm not worried at all. In fact at some point I may try to run a 440 with a factory Magnum EFI controller, just for kicks.




I'd advise against it just because the mopar 'puters haven't been hacked very well, or the information on hacking/reprogramming them isn't nearly as "freeware" as the hacking of the GM (tbi, tpi, LT1) computers.




There won't be any reprograming or hacking involved, just a few ideas i want to try.

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I think I'm going with the Accel DFI system.




Big time wiring harness issues....just thought I would let you know.





What "wiring harness issue" is THAT??!?!

Do you get paid to slag Accel or what?





Ok shoot me. I will retract that statement. I cannot find the article I read that stated the harness's had some issues with the connections because of poor manufacturing. I personelly have no experience with their newer stuff and I shouldn't comment unless I have the facts to back it up.

I can say that, any efi system out there currently has many advantages over carburators if your willing to learn it. The newer systems are getting easier and more intuitive to set-up with a lot of added diagnostic tools.

I prefer the systems that are programmable enough to grow with the projectand adapt without having to buy a new system. Get big enough injectors and the features you need to cover your future upgrades, and one system should do it.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
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Explain this distributor. I have the Holley TBI kit, and I was looking for a way to have it utilize the ignition control.

Thanks




I'll post the link I have saved at work that tells how to wire up a GM HEI module to a mopar dizzy, in place of the mopar orange box. also, to use the EFI timing, you'll have to get a distributor with no vaccuum or mechanical advance systems. easiest way? find a lean burn distributor off of a 5th ave (if small block) or late 70's 400 cordoba (if big block).




Here's the link to convert to a GM HEI module. I think for EFI, you'll need the 7 pin.

http://duster318.freeservers.com/tech/hei.html


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Explain this distributor. I have the Holley TBI kit, and I was looking for a way to have it utilize the ignition control.

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I'll post the link I have saved at work that tells how to wire up a GM HEI module to a mopar dizzy, in place of the mopar orange box. also, to use the EFI timing, you'll have to get a distributor with no vaccuum or mechanical advance systems. easiest way? find a lean burn distributor off of a 5th ave (if small block) or late 70's 400 cordoba (if big block).




Here's the link to convert to a GM HEI module. I think for EFI, you'll need the 7 pin.

http://duster318.freeservers.com/tech/hei.html




Awesome. Thanks.

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Have you thought about a set of stage VI heads?






Well Rich, yes I did...Unfortunately, I had already purchased the Eddie heads, and a set of TTI headers for a lowdeck. It isn't possible to use low deck headers with Stage VI heads, is it? If it were, I guess I could sell the Edelbrock heads and get the Stage Vi's...

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