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BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? #17140
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The Edelbrock kit is cool cause it's ALL THERE. They have a 550HP kit which should be fine. Anyone try one?

I could flip my 850 Demon Vac, Victor intake, Holley Street Avenger and 3.54 B body Dana and darn near afford one!

There was just a 450HP 440 Edelbrock EFI on Ebay for $1600 instead of $2700 list.

Read a Mopar mag thaty said a Megasquirt cost them about $1500 and that was with a $200 throttle body - think a 4bbl throttle body would be $500+ So even an inexpensive system would add up.

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I've got a distributorless EFI system on the hot rod now.
It's much easier to live with than the old blow through carb setup I had.
I haven't had much tuning time but it didn't take long to get it running. The car has already logged several hundred miles since the install.


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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: 71TA] #17142
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I could flip my 850 Demon Vac, Victor intake, Holley Street Avenger and 3.54 B body Dana and darn near afford one!




Jim you stop just short of wife,kids and dog on that list


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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: 71TA] #17143
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any kit thats worth while wether it be an inexpensive one or a high end one will only be relatively inexpensive if you aren't looking for HP. running about 500-550 HP will cost you no matter how you do it.

the edelbrock kits are okay if you can stay within their programmed parameters. But since you like changing things so much i would recommend either the megasquirt or accel DFI or FAST EFI. those kits allow future expandability that you really won't see with the edelbrock.

i'm in for about $1500 total on my megasquirt setup. the key is not rushing and finding the parts used or on ebay. once it comes to EFI all makes of parts are fair game so theres plenty of aftermarket available.

Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: 71TA] #17144
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I have a BDS/FAST system, but it cost more than the eddy system.

See pic of the intake.

1931551-hemi966.jpg (381 downloads)

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Dragula] #17145
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BDS/FAST also I`ll never have a carb on anything again....EVER !



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My friend, who will be in Car Craft Real Street Eliminator has had the edelbrock system on his sb chevy for many years. Its a 600+ hp 434 inch 18 degree headed monster. He used larger injectors and the system works excellent.

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BDS/FAST also I`ll never have a carb on anything again....EVER !






whats a hat like that go for?

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whats a hat like that go for?




ALOT!


Seriously, I haven`t looked for a while, but I think a complete system now from BDS is a tad north of $6800 ...add to that fuel lines, fittings, and just the odds and ends stuff...you`ll be "up there"

I got lucky and found 95% of my hardware at a swap meet...$1500..Hat, injector plate,injectors, hard lines, sensors, pumps, filters, regulator, partial harness, etc.
Mine had the old Accel "power processor" which is fuel only, I bought a used Gen 6 for 750 and made my own harness. Have since switched to a FAST ECU due to wanting a wideband and the fact that the ol` gen 6`s logging for all pratical purposes might as well be non existant..No complaints on the Gen 6 other than that, I ran it for a couple of years with no issues....If the Cheap hand held widebands had been available then, I most likely wouldn`t have switched.


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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Blown71X] #17149
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The hats are $550 for the standard bugcatcher size. Currently with everyone switching to XFI, there are many FAST systems for sale on the bag.

I won't ever go back......


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Dragula] #17150
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It will work if you have a RB ONLY!...I bought the system on the word of one of their "techs" that Edelbrock would soon release an intake manifold which would allow me to fit the system on my 451 stroker low deck ...Turns out they decided NOT to pursue the manifold, and now I'm in the throes of modding the set up to work . At the end of the day, I would have been much better to start from scratch . The Edelbrock people have been most UN-helpful, and I will avoid their products from now on. It's a longer story than all that, but I ain't gonna whine about it...Just get on with bidness

Oh well, live and learn.

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Here's a vid of the awesome throttle response...

1933661-Movie_0002.wmv (242 downloads)

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Jerry] #17152
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any kit thats worth while wether it be an inexpensive one or a high end one will only be relatively inexpensive if you aren't looking for HP. running about 500-550 HP will cost you no matter how you do it.

the edelbrock kits are okay if you can stay within their programmed parameters. But since you like changing things so much i would recommend either the megasquirt or accel DFI or FAST EFI. those kits allow future expandability that you really won't see with the edelbrock.

i'm in for about $1500 total on my megasquirt setup. the key is not rushing and finding the parts used or on ebay. once it comes to EFI all makes of parts are fair game so theres plenty of aftermarket available.




if you wanted to go a more "factory" route, you could look at adapting the GM 454 vortec EFI, or use a speed density tpi computer to run things....if you go TPI, buy your own chip burner.

I'd look at the holley commander 950 controller, too...they have a "universal" MPI kit for ~$1500...think you still need a fuel pump, mod the manifold, and injectors. for a distributor, use a lean burn 400 dist. running a GM HEI module, then the computer will control the timing.


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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: 71TA] #17153
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I have the Holley Commander 950 system on a street/strip 440 in my Barracuda. The drivability is great. I can start it on a cool morning and it just idles. I take my son to daycare and go to work with it about three days a week. I also race it about five times a years at the local dragstrip.
I have $2500 in the complete system, that includes every hose clamp.
I would encourage anyone who drives their car to try EFI.

1934518-may2004008.jpg (284 downloads)

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Re: BB EFI, who has done it on a street/strip car? [Re: Procommuter] #17154
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I always toy with the idea of EFI. I am curious to know if anybody has adapted the Ford EEC-IV system out of a 5.0L Mustang and put it on a Mopar. Its a mass airflow system so you would have to install an intake duct to go with the MAF sensor or you could hide a MAF under the aircleaner.

Its a popular system and highly upgradable. Mustang guys have it all scienced out.


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the only problem with the ford system is that you need to have chips burned for it. with the aftermarket systems they are laptop programmable. my buddy runs fords and he's burned chips for $150 each. it will get expensive after a while. the ford shops know what ford engines need so its easy for them to program, good luck getting them to know mopar stuff. you might need to get a bunch of chips burned and that will cost as much as an aftermarket setup.

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Ah OK, never researched it that much but I though that there were piggyback programmers available to alter fuel maps. A product called the Tweecer comes to mind.


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there are tweeker programs that will piggy back but they never fully reprogram the chip, plus i don't think timing can be altered through those. i know there is software out there for the LT1 and LS! engines. i'll have to check with my buddy and get get back to you about the ford stuff. there was an article that someone did this on a mopar small block but i don't know how it would fare on a big block. plus the larger MAF sensors are pretty expensive.

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I run the FAST ECU as well. As much as I liked my 1150 Dom. carb, The FAST is faster so I'm not going back either

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It will work if you have a RB ONLY!...I bought the system on the word of one of their "techs" that Edelbrock would soon release an intake manifold which would allow me to fit the system on my 451 stroker low deck ...Turns out they decided NOT to pursue the manifold, and now I'm in the throes of modding the set up to work . At the end of the day, I would have been much better to start from scratch . The Edelbrock people have been most UN-helpful, and I will avoid their products from now on. It's a longer story than all that, but I ain't gonna whine about it...Just get on with bidness

Oh well, live and learn.




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