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Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake #171201 12/19/08 11:21 PM 12/19/08 11:21 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 766 Ohio Dan Brewer OP super stock
Dan Brewer OP super stock Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 766 Ohio	Looking for info on P4876128 intake vs. Indy. Running original MW heads and want to try a 1-4. Anyone have any comparisons? MP is cheaper, but not if it doesn't work well. THanks A833 4-speeds, parts & services http://www.brewersperformance.com/

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Dan Brewer] #171202 12/20/08 01:31 AM 12/20/08 01:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	Low deck or RB motor? That MP intake that you listed won't fit either so you have the wrong number. MP does have one intake that fits the RB with original max wedge heads and that is the 337. They don't have an intake that fits the low deck with max wedge heads. The Indy intakes will fit but you'll have a mess on your hands trying to seal up the valley when using original max wedge heads. The 337 intake is the only thing that fits and works really well in that application. It makes pretty good power from what I've seen on the dyno. My 505 makes right at 800 hp with the 337 intake and a 4500 carb on an adapter.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171203 12/20/08 03:17 AM 12/20/08 03:17 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 766 Ohio Dan Brewer OP super stock
Dan Brewer OP super stock Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 766 Ohio	It is an RB. I have a crossram on it now. http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/raalsiplin4c.html This was the intake I thought I needed. Do you have the complete part number? Thanks for the help. A833 4-speeds, parts & services http://www.brewersperformance.com/

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Dan Brewer] #171204 12/20/08 12:42 PM 12/20/08 12:42 PM
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mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW	Thanks to Andy for getting MP to reintroduce this intake. I've looked at it for several years but thought it was for Stage VI heads. MPs description really didn't give enough information to know what the application was for. Here is the PDF file for the intake from the Mopar website. 4890704-P4876337MPintake.pdf (275 downloads) Floyd Lippencott IV

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Dan Brewer] #171205 12/20/08 01:09 PM 12/20/08 01:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	The 128 intake is for RB with Stage VI heads so it is a super wide intake manifold. For a RB block with original (or reproduction) Max Wedge heads you need the 337 intake. As far as I know the 337 intakes are in stock. They run about $200 which is a great deal. They are a low profile intake and might just fit under a stock hood depending on what air cleaner you use. I don't know why Mopar Performance hasn't done a little better job promoting this intake. It is the only one that fits this application and it really works pretty well. Nobody else makes a single 4bbl intake that works with the original MW heads on a stock block. (The Indy intakes would work if someone tooled up a bathtub intake manifold gasket that had MW port sizes but nobody has ever done that either) Kind of wild that after 40 years of development there are still parts that nobody has ever tooled up.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Dan Brewer] #171206 12/20/08 01:19 PM 12/20/08 01:19 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	Here is a picture of the 337 intake on a set of Indy heads. The Indy heads have raised ports which is why the intake is raised up in the air. With original MW heads the intake will sit right on the end rails and seal off the valley area.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171207 12/20/08 01:25 PM 12/20/08 01:25 PM
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mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW	I bought an Indy 400 manifold from Andy that I plan to make some spacers to adapt to my 440 block. The spacers will block off the notches on the 286 MW intake faces. I'm going to order one of the 337 intakes and dyno test both and see how they compare. I also bought a TM-7 that was welded up for MW ports and has a flat plate welded to the bottom to try as well. The 337 looks like the easy way to go, and from Andy's testing, looks like a good piece. Floyd Lippencott IV

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: mr_340] #171208 12/20/08 01:33 PM 12/20/08 01:33 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	I didn't even know about the 337 intake until just a few months ago. I had a conversation with Zippy about it and he poked around a bit and discovered that MP had them in inventory but that they were suspended in the system. A couple of phone calls was all it took and they became available again. On thing I mocked up was a combination of the 337 intake with the Edelbrock EFI fuel rails. It is a perfect match so if anyone want to run EFI on a stock type MW motor that would be the way to do it. Kind of a cool idea for a crate motor combo from MP but given the current situation I really doubt they'll be doing anything like that.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171209 12/20/08 06:03 PM 12/20/08 06:03 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	you can use the indy intake,just cut the tops off the factory valley pan (steel bathtub intake gasket) and run a paper intake gasket on top and bottom,i have done this many times,works perfect.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Dan Brewer] #171210 12/20/08 07:26 PM 12/20/08 07:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	Here is what the MP 337 looks like on a 440 block with Edelbrock RPM heads that have been ported to the max wedge size. This makes a nice clean install with available parts. 4891482-337_eddy.jpg (2086 downloads)

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171211 12/21/08 02:13 PM 12/21/08 02:13 PM
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mopacltd pro stock M Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,560 yarnell,az	I just purchased an Indy 440-14-3. Is the only difference between these two manifold the valley pan?

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: mopacltd] #171212 12/21/08 05:06 PM 12/21/08 05:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	The 440-3 Indy intake is a lot taller and it is designed to fit a 4500 series carb. Plus, it doesn't have the built in valley tray so it is a completely different intake.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171213 12/22/08 12:51 AM 12/22/08 12:51 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 766 Ohio Dan Brewer OP super stock
Dan Brewer OP super stock Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 766 Ohio	Thanks guys for all your input A833 4-speeds, parts & services http://www.brewersperformance.com/

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Dan Brewer] #171214 12/22/08 10:15 AM 12/22/08 10:15 AM
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65 Hemi super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA	Has anybody run the 337 with the victor heads and how are the inner intake bolt locations? Last edited by Mopar Fever; 12/22/08 10:15 AM. Doug MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Dan Brewer] #171215 12/22/08 10:35 AM 12/22/08 10:35 AM
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hot67cuda enthusiast H Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 267 usa	Hey mopar fever ill go out in the gagage and check mine in a little while,it '3 decrees out at the moment.oh pm me your phone number.I cant pm with this computer.Long story have to for my son in law to come home from he war.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171216 12/22/08 11:11 AM 12/22/08 11:11 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,838 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,838 S.E. Michigan	Quote: I don't know why Mopar Performance hasn't done a little better job promoting this intake. All fixed for the '09 catalog, vague statements removed, accurate description given, etc. There are 5 in the Warren depot, so availability is decent also.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: 65 Hemi] #171217 12/22/08 01:40 PM 12/22/08 01:40 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	Quote: Has anybody run the 337 with the victor heads and how are the inner intake bolt locations? Here is a thread on this intake. (maybe should be in the archives?) https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1 The inner intake bolt locations are fine, easy to get a full length bolt in there and room for a wrench.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171218 12/24/08 01:24 PM 12/24/08 01:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,838 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,838 S.E. Michigan	Just archived it. Apparently somebody wants to (or wanted to) promote that intake, it's on a display motor I saw the other night at the MP Holiday party. It's got a World block, one Victor MW head (also known as Aluminum Max Wedge in MP Marketing lingo), one regular iron MW head, and the intake raised up with spacers to show off the different head designs. Pretty cool looking, shows a couple possibilities. Maybe it'll make the rounds to a few shows this year.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: ZIPPY] #171219 12/24/08 01:35 PM 12/24/08 01:35 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,870 Weddington, N.C.	So, unless I'm missing something the 337 should also bolt right up on a low deck B motor with Stage VI MW ports???? WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Streetwize] #171220 12/24/08 02:37 PM 12/24/08 02:37 PM
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B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	I'm a little confused, too. AFAIK, the intake we are talking about was designed for the Stage VI head to fit on an RB block so no spacers would be neccessary. Its the one used on their crate engines. This intake has been around for years and i actually always thought it was just an M1 w/an integral valley cover. Guess i never looked real close at it to see its actually differnt from an M1. I could be wrong and someone(Zippy?) correct me if i am.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: B1Fish540] #171221 12/24/08 02:47 PM 12/24/08 02:47 PM
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BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: ... the intake we are talking about was designed for the Stage VI head to fit on an RB block so no spacers would be neccessary. Its the one used on their crate engines... I don't recall the P/N, but that's one of the intakes I tested on my Stage VI-headed 440. Out of the box that particular intake SUCKS. Mine ended up w/ a LOT of work on it by Roger Helgesen, a.k.a. "Dr. Air". Although the modified version made good top end, IMO it was too big in the plenum and had too much runner taper for a street/strip 440 application. Streetwize bought it from me, but IIRC ended up selling to somebody else w/o ever having tried it.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: BradH] #171222 12/24/08 02:57 PM 12/24/08 02:57 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,870 Weddington, N.C.	Brad, Don't think yours was the same one....yours was a 906 port for an RB with STAGE VI which (if you think about it) will only work on that combo. I sold it to a guy in Canada who is looking for exactly that....remember any othe RB/Stage VI manifold would need spacers to makethe manifold fit.....what i think is that the 337 will bolt on a non raised port MW without spacers and should therefore (trying to confirm it will) fit on a B with Stage VI's. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Streetwize] #171223 12/24/08 03:22 PM 12/24/08 03:22 PM
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B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Guys, i just re-read the thread on the 337. Altho, very similar, these are two differnt manifolds. Evidently, the 337 is just for non raised port heads like the Eddy RPM(w/MW openings) and the cast iron MW heads. This is for RB blocks...still dont know what low deck applications it would work on.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: B1Fish540] #171224 12/24/08 03:28 PM 12/24/08 03:28 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	MP does not have a low deck version of the 337. The 337 would would Stage VI heads on a low deck block but you would have to fabricate some spacers for the ends of the valley area. The 337 is the intake to use if you're running original type Max Wedge heads on an RB block. It works perfect in that application by sealing off the valley area. It can also be used with Indy heads and Victor heads but you end up with end gaps that need to be sealed somehow.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171225 12/24/08 06:48 PM 12/24/08 06:48 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,870 Weddington, N.C.	Thanks, Andy! Yeah looks like an indy plate underneath to seal the valley might work...If it's anything like the RB stage VI some radius work at the carb plate plenum transition would really wake it up. What's the full part # of the 337 BTW??? WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: Streetwize] #171226 12/24/08 06:53 PM 12/24/08 06:53 PM
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ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,838 S.E. Michigan	Quote: So, unless I'm missing something the 337 should also bolt right up on a low deck B motor with Stage VI MW ports???? Bobby, Bolting up is no problem, but it really wasn't made for that application. Like Andy says, the real purpose of that intake is OEM type MW heads on an RB block....anything else and some areas will need rework. 1. I'd expect more port mismatch than normal because a Stage VI MW port is not a true OEM MW dimension....it's slightly shorter... Andy and I went through that awhile back with MP (supposedly) MW intake gaskets, that really weren't true OE MW dimensions..but they were the right dimensions for a Stage VI max wedge! So that area will need to be looked at closer than usual and worked accordingly. Or if the heads have already been opened up to OE MW size, then they're good. 2. The valley situation may need to be looked at and corrected? But on the surface it seems like it would probably work, unless I am missing something too. Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: AndyF] #171227 12/25/08 12:20 AM 12/25/08 12:20 AM
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B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Quote: MP does not have a low deck version of the 337. The 337 would would Stage VI heads on a low deck block but you would have to fabricate some spacers for the ends of the valley area. The 337 is the intake to use if you're running original type Max Wedge heads on an RB block. It works perfect in that application by sealing off the valley area. It can also be used with Indy heads and Victor heads but you end up with end gaps that need to be sealed somehow. I'm thinking this might be a good intake for the 440 Source heads w/MW openings.

Re: Indy or Mopar performance 4150 Intake [Re: B1Fish540] #171228 12/25/08 02:16 AM 12/25/08 02:16 AM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	Quote: Quote: MP does not have a low deck version of the 337. The 337 would would Stage VI heads on a low deck block but you would have to fabricate some spacers for the ends of the valley area. The 337 is the intake to use if you're running original type Max Wedge heads on an RB block. It works perfect in that application by sealing off the valley area. It can also be used with Indy heads and Victor heads but you end up with end gaps that need to be sealed somehow. I'm thinking this might be a good intake for the 440 Source heads w/MW openings. Exactly. It is the only thing that would fit 440Source heads that have been ported to MW openings that won't look like a clogged up mess. We just had an engine on the dyno the other day with original MW heads, an Indy intake and a homebuilt valley pan. As soon as the motor started to make some power the oil started to spray out of the pos valley tray. I think I talked that guy into buying a 337 intake so his race car wouldn't be dripping oil after every pass.

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