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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit? [Re: SpareParts] #1698377
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I thought someone was doing this already and it didn't really take off




Correct, another moparts member nonetheless (I forget his name, younger guy with a dart, lives in Washington IIRC) made a 318 turbo kit and no one bought them

Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit? [Re: CokeBottleKid] #1698378
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I've tried to find a little bit of info on past "kits"... from anything I've found they were hand built -one off's (IE very expensive).

I am trying to avoid that with a bit higher volume... we'll see.

My turbo/wastegate/BOV/etc... all arrived yesterday so I can start the working prototype mock up. This will serve as the cost model to solidify pricing, as well as a final mock up to check on multiple cars. If all goes well.. next step will be to get this thing on a dyno with a Junk Yard 5.9L or 5.2L to show you guys what it can do!

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I thought someone was doing this already and it didn't really take off




Correct, another moparts member nonetheless (I forget his name, younger guy with a dart, lives in Washington IIRC) made a 318 turbo kit and no one bought them




That's my brother. We built the one kit using magnum manifolds, tested it on his car, everyone said they wanted them. When we listed it for sale it took probably 6+ months and countless tire kickers to find a buyer. It sold complete, Manifolds, Hot side, cold side, Turbo, BOV and WG. The price was very affordable for what was offered, but you know mopar guys.

As far as we know the kit was never used and is probably in a box somewhere in a garage. I think it went to Nebraska.

I commend you for doing this, and I hope it works out. I would plan on a very small run of these to test the market. Turbos have grown in popularity since we tried it 5 years ago, so that should help your mission.

His car is still turbocharged, PT76, and is finally getting a cage this winter to make it legal for the ET's its capable of. We turned it up once (12# spring) and it went 10.13@132 with no rollbar, on pump gas and after driving 80 miles to the track. Tech asked us nicely to not do that again so we changed the springs back. Obviously there is a lot more in it.


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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit? [Re: Triple Threat] #1698380
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Diz, do you run any kind of heat exchanger??

Dustin, can you share your brother's engine combo? Also what converter/gear/tire??

Thanks!

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Mine is straight E85, blow through carb. No intercooler, no water/meth injection.

I have run as much as 20psi, on an iron head at 9.2:1. (135.85mph@3700lbs)

My current combo with better heads/cam only runs 15~16psi and makes slightly more power then the old combo. (137.67mph@3740lbs)

Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit? [Re: dizuster] #1698382
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Well I've got a s475 coming and am going to test the limits of a stock block small block with my 426 lol. Hoping to go 9s on 10lbs or so. I'll start my hotside after Christmas.

Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit? [Re: 1980volare] #1698383
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Depending on car weight, if it's intercooled it should dip in the 9's no problem. Might take a touch more then 10psi, but you'll be able to do it.

My S475 makes somewhere between 750 and 800 with a stock block. I'm going to push it harder coming up with my new kits... so we'll see what it will take.

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Dustin, can you share your brother's engine combo? Also what converter/gear/tire??

Thanks!




Sorry, just saw this.

Here is some info on it:
http://www.theturboforums.com/threads/37...s-Video-inside!


-Dustin
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Re: Who wants to buy a mopar a turbo kit? [Re: dizuster] #1698385
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It's a 12:1 426" stroker. 3500lb, non intercooled e85. In a f body. Going to see how far the mp. 590 cam takes me, but I don't expect much with it. I guess there is only one way to find out.

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It's a 12:1 426" stroker. 3500lb, non intercooled e85. In a f body. Going to see how far the mp. 590 cam takes me, but I don't expect much with it. I guess there is only one way to find out.


your going turbo that engine

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It's a 12:1 426" stroker. 3500lb, non intercooled e85. In a f body. Going to see how far the mp. 590 cam takes me, but I don't expect much with it. I guess there is only one way to find out.


your going turbo that engine






Why would you not turbo it?


One day I will have something cool here.
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It's a 12:1 426" stroker. 3500lb, non intercooled e85. In a f body. Going to see how far the mp. 590 cam takes me, but I don't expect much with it. I guess there is only one way to find out.


your going turbo that engine






Why would you not turbo it?



stock block, big cubes, high comp, heavy car, all wear and tear on a stock block

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It's a 12:1 426" stroker. 3500lb, non intercooled e85. In a f body. Going to see how far the mp. 590 cam takes me, but I don't expect much with it. I guess there is only one way to find out.


your going turbo that engine






Why would you not turbo it?



stock block, big cubes, high comp, heavy car, all wear and tear on a stock block





This isn't the 1970s or 80s. 12:1 and sometimes higher is normal for forced induction. 2618 pistons, mls gaskets, forged everything and studded. I don't believe in the 600hp stock block theory. I'd like to make 650-700 at the tires, yes with a stock block. It's all in the tune. With gods urine (e85) fueling this engine, I have no fear. I'm more worried about the 8.75 breaking.

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my twin turbo 318 is at 10.5 to 1

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The 8 3/4" will break if it's got any kind of tire on it... I've already been down the boosted 8 3/4" trail.

I agree, it's not the 80's anymore... but 12:1 isn't what I'd call the "norm". It can live... like you said it's all in the tune.

But at 12:1 you will have a MUCH narrower tuning window then you would at even 10:1.

Is this your first turbo project? Have you tuned this type of car before? (Legitimate questions, not knocking you).

I'm just suggesting that if you haven't, you might want to consider dropping the compression to give yourself a little wiggle room.

Here is a pic of my boosted 8 3/4".

8366997-pinion.jpg (407 downloads)
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Here is a picture of my 2618 piston, MLS gasket, on E85... so I speak from experience....and this was only at 9.2:1. I will tell you that 2nd "dish" under the razor blade in the picture wasn't there when I put the motor together!

This motor showed ZERO signs of detonation on the plug.

Just sharing experience and trying to help. Like I said... I'm not saying you can't do what you're attempting, you're just taking the narrow tuning path.

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I have not tuned one,but I hAve a decent understanding on what's needed I agree it's going to be a narrow tunning window. I plan to be extremely conservative with the tune. Worst case I can swap heat gaskets and drop it down. I think it will do okay. Alot of people have done much worse on alot more compression.

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I will just say one more thing. When I started, I had a good idea what needed to be done, and I was very conservative too. You've seen my pistons.

Good luck.

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Haha thanks. It will either work very good, or very bad haha. Turbo should be here today, and mandrel bends here after Christmas. Going to run twin 46mm gates for a little more control and to help prevent boost creep. One of my buddies had a 351 blow through e85 setup and has poked it a bunch so if I need some tunning help I'll have him help. I think I'll have to change the cam relatively soon. It makes 500-530 at the crank now, can't wait to see what it does with some boost

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I like the idea. I have been an all motor guy, and still respect the all motor stuff, as it is what I am the most familiar with. I have recently started a new project which I haven't posted here because it is a non mopar build. I put a stage 5 Trick Performance Products kit on my 2001 Silverado. It was working great until an o ring failed in the stock 5.3L but that is beside the point. Trick makes fairly painless bolt on kits for the GM Trucks, and they work great.

I like the idea of doing a mopar turbo kit. I would maybe not discount the big block guys yet, I like the idea of the small block turbo kit, BUT if you end up pushing the stock blocks, which won't take much with say, a Borg Warner S480 like what I run on my LSx project, to pop the stock block. Take a look at these Trick Performance kits for some ideas, the hot side is deadly simple, and believe it or not, they work GREAT.

http://www.shop.trickperformanceproducts.com/











As you can see, I haven't finished the grill fitment, and some other things etc. Before that o ring failed, it was a RIOT on 12psi, and it pulled like my car.

I would like to do a turbo modern hemi build personally. I did the LSx because the kit was there, I love these 99-06 GM trucks, and the parts are easy to get.

-Kenny

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